The arsehole should be fired this morning.
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Because that would mean we're out of the FAC and out of the top 4 race (I am assuming Europe is over now). Woody would have run out of excuses to keep him.based on what?
A Van Gaal out chant that is actually audible on Sunday is the only thing that might work at this stage.
So bad last night we are past being a joke now and have fallen into mediocrity very quickly.
West Ham will run us ragged on Sunday.
West Ham will run us ragged on Sunday.
It's the backwards step which is hard to get your head around. Last season, there was signs of purpose and direction, even though we were inconsistent. We looked better in the 2nd half of the season, and even in a lot of the games we lost, there was a direction. The business in the summer was good, but then this season, LvG pressed the reset button, introducing a new style, a new system, a new way of playing. Ultimately, it is a worse way of playing.
Everything that worked about last season, such as the compact defensive shape, or Fellaini as a box to box in a midfield 3, has all been flipped on it's head. Now we're anything but compact and teams cut through us with the stupid amounts of space we gift them. Fellaini plays in a defensive midfield two and is 2nd to every ball. Herrera looks a shadow of the player he was, like he doesn't know what his role is.
Does any other top manager do this? Does anyone see Klopp scrapping the high pressing 4-3-3 which has worked in the last 5 months and Liverpool, and reverting to a direct flat 4-4-2 for 16/17? Is he going to take Coutinho out of the attacking midfield and stick him in a defensive midfield two and tell him to do a job that doesn't play to his strengths? Of course he isn't.
Every player looks bereft of belief, confidence and intuition. Nobody knows what their job is, or what the job of their team mates is. Nobody knows where to be, and judging from the passing last night, they don't know where their team mates are going to be. After 20 months, two summer transfer windows and an eye-watering amount of money spent, we should be seeing a cohesive unit on the pitch. We look further away from that now than we did at the start of LvG's time. That can't be excused, and it falls on the manager. This is now his team, he is the one supposedly instructing and inspiring this team, but every player looks completely flat and completely clueless.
How can such a regression be excused? He has to go.
Everything that worked about last season, such as the compact defensive shape, or Fellaini as a box to box in a midfield 3, has all been flipped on it's head. Now we're anything but compact and teams cut through us with the stupid amounts of space we gift them. Fellaini plays in a defensive midfield two and is 2nd to every ball. Herrera looks a shadow of the player he was, like he doesn't know what his role is.
Does any other top manager do this? Does anyone see Klopp scrapping the high pressing 4-3-3 which has worked in the last 5 months and Liverpool, and reverting to a direct flat 4-4-2 for 16/17? Is he going to take Coutinho out of the attacking midfield and stick him in a defensive midfield two and tell him to do a job that doesn't play to his strengths? Of course he isn't.
Every player looks bereft of belief, confidence and intuition. Nobody knows what their job is, or what the job of their team mates is. Nobody knows where to be, and judging from the passing last night, they don't know where their team mates are going to be. After 20 months, two summer transfer windows and an eye-watering amount of money spent, we should be seeing a cohesive unit on the pitch. We look further away from that now than we did at the start of LvG's time. That can't be excused, and it falls on the manager. This is now his team, he is the one supposedly instructing and inspiring this team, but every player looks completely flat and completely clueless.
How can such a regression be excused? He has to go.
If we finish outside of the top 4 and Van Gaal is still in charge come July I wont be watching us for the 16/17 season. In some peoples opinion it might be over the top but a collective boycott is the only way the board will recognize that this mis-management, from the top down, cant continue.
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How is he still here? We're regressing to the 80s except we had Bryan Robson then
If LVG thinks fellaini was the best player for United, that shows his scope of understanding the traditions of United. Now for West Ham, we will have Valencia, Carrick starting the game and it will be the usual stuff and we will lose.
Then comes the Liverpool game where the atmosphere is amazing, but as United will play like crap, it will die down before Liverpool score a couple after which LVG will place the blame on the fans for not turning up.
Then comes the City game where United will be brushed aside. Then with nothing to play for, Rooney will directly come back in to the team sheet as he is the captain and the captain shall always play. Score a fecking tap in and then feel on top of the world.
These are the people who should quit United by the end the season.
LVG
Giggs
Rooney
Carrick
Fellaini
Others like Darmain, Morgan, Depay, Mata should be given another season to see if they are up to it. If not, then feck them off too.
But looking at the way United do things. Giggs will take over. Rooney will stay as captain and United will feed on the odd FA cups in the coming decade.
Then comes the Liverpool game where the atmosphere is amazing, but as United will play like crap, it will die down before Liverpool score a couple after which LVG will place the blame on the fans for not turning up.
Then comes the City game where United will be brushed aside. Then with nothing to play for, Rooney will directly come back in to the team sheet as he is the captain and the captain shall always play. Score a fecking tap in and then feel on top of the world.
These are the people who should quit United by the end the season.
LVG
Giggs
Rooney
Carrick
Fellaini
Others like Darmain, Morgan, Depay, Mata should be given another season to see if they are up to it. If not, then feck them off too.
But looking at the way United do things. Giggs will take over. Rooney will stay as captain and United will feed on the odd FA cups in the coming decade.
Well, we've failed to grab a lifeline yet again. We're down to an unlikely league run or FA cup run to get us a Champions League ticket, that would at least reset us in a good position for next season. Besides that, we really played badly against Liverpool yesterday which is especially hurtful because they're 'Pool and like us in transition. They've had even less time to gel and get used to the new coach. Man, this sucks.
Still in the joke phase for me, I cant help but laugh at the utter ineptitude of our performances. Obviously not happy with it at all but it just doesnt affect me in the way it used to because there is very little disappointment in it - you need to have had hope to be disappointed. At one level there is always hope of course, we might overcome this deficit and go through in the second leg, but there is no sense of overarching improvement and we have seen plenty of times how a good game here or there means very little in terms of how we are going to play the following week. So at this stage I am just sitting back, with zero expectations about how we will perform, accepting the ridicule of friends with good humour, not trying to defend the indefensible at all and waiting for something to happen that will actually change things. The season's a write off anyway, if we fluke a cup it would be nice but also thoroughly undeserved and Im not going to get myself worked up thinking about it.
Thought Rio and Scholsey summed things up well last night. 'Shambolic' and 'disjointed' were apt descriptions of that shower of shite and like Scholes said, what exactly is the philosophy of Van Gaal ? Two seasons in and no one is any clearer as to what he's trying to do. The philosophy has shifted from him craving pace and signing the quickest around but binning him a season later to starting the season with a back five but then reverting to a four. From there we went to the slowest, pedestrian style of football I've ever seen from a United team in 45 years. That changed to a bit quicker tempo when it was clear it wasn't working. Now we have landed at something that is neither one thing or the other.
Looking at that last night I really am scratching my head to see an identity or even the early throws of an identity and that is after two years of his masterplan and £300m spent. He is desperately chucking in kids left, right and centre to use that card as some sort of limp defence that he is continuing ingrained traditions but in my opinion the man is a fraud with a non existent philosophy and is genuinely no further forward now than the day he walked through the door. I even think there was more clarity under Moyes, it was far from acceptable under him but I don't recall on pitch chaos to this degree.
Looking at that last night I really am scratching my head to see an identity or even the early throws of an identity and that is after two years of his masterplan and £300m spent. He is desperately chucking in kids left, right and centre to use that card as some sort of limp defence that he is continuing ingrained traditions but in my opinion the man is a fraud with a non existent philosophy and is genuinely no further forward now than the day he walked through the door. I even think there was more clarity under Moyes, it was far from acceptable under him but I don't recall on pitch chaos to this degree.
FA Cup won't get us in to the Champions League. We need to make up ground on the Top 4, or win the Europa League.
So season is pretty much over. Only positive I can take from last night is that I won't feel any guilt not watching United from here 'til the end of the season.
LvG has sucked the life out of the players, it's clear very few,if any, of them believe the club is making any progress . He is also sucking the life , hope and expectations out of the fans.
For the benefit of the club he need to leave as quickly as possible, even if it means giving Giggs the reins until the end of the season because this could change the mentality of the players before the end of the season. These players are better than what they are currently showing but seem just as disheartened as the fans.
For the benefit of the club he need to leave as quickly as possible, even if it means giving Giggs the reins until the end of the season because this could change the mentality of the players before the end of the season. These players are better than what they are currently showing but seem just as disheartened as the fans.
fecking awful from start to finish, spared further embarrassment by big Dave once again, blind will never be a centre back to even think otherwise is complete madness.
Selling of RVP and Chicha with no adequate replacements screams amateur fecking hour, then depend on a kid who is still in six form and stick with him even though it is detrimental to his progression, the unfounded ability to repeatedly try and force a square peg in a bloody round hole.
The complete lack of understanding of our tradition and expectations, the disregard of a transfer kitty and spending the cash on dog shite players.
Only in football can men live off success from 2 decades ago, the fact Moyes had a better record just seals it for me, get rid give it to giggsy until we can bag Jose in the summer 3 fecking seasons later than due.
Selling of RVP and Chicha with no adequate replacements screams amateur fecking hour, then depend on a kid who is still in six form and stick with him even though it is detrimental to his progression, the unfounded ability to repeatedly try and force a square peg in a bloody round hole.
The complete lack of understanding of our tradition and expectations, the disregard of a transfer kitty and spending the cash on dog shite players.
Only in football can men live off success from 2 decades ago, the fact Moyes had a better record just seals it for me, get rid give it to giggsy until we can bag Jose in the summer 3 fecking seasons later than due.
Its alright folks. We will draw v West Ham, lose v Liverpool then go in v City under pressure.
We will lose then Woody will brief the press about LVG losing his job if we lose any of the next two.
We will beat Everton at home then have some sort of heroic draw v Spurs then all this will be reset again after the slam dunk home win v Villa.
Rinse and repeat until the end of the season. While we finish 10th..
Its ridiculous. Honestly ridiculous.
We will lose then Woody will brief the press about LVG losing his job if we lose any of the next two.
We will beat Everton at home then have some sort of heroic draw v Spurs then all this will be reset again after the slam dunk home win v Villa.
Rinse and repeat until the end of the season. While we finish 10th..
Its ridiculous. Honestly ridiculous.
we've been saying all this for about a year! He is not the right fit for English football this was abundantly clear after his first season.
Glad to see that there are now more and more fans opening their eyes to that!
However, the only way to force him out is for OT to erupt in boos and calls for his head for as long as he remains. why should the club sit up and take notice if they aren't feeling it?
Glad to see that there are now more and more fans opening their eyes to that!
However, the only way to force him out is for OT to erupt in boos and calls for his head for as long as he remains. why should the club sit up and take notice if they aren't feeling it?
At this point sacking him now won't even do anything.
Mourinho isn't going to take charge before the end of the season and Giggs doesn't want the job on an interim basis.
We're stuck with him.
Mourinho isn't going to take charge before the end of the season and Giggs doesn't want the job on an interim basis.
We're stuck with him.
He's essentially a glorified caretaker until Mourinho joins imo. Lets all just move forward with that assumption and save the mental breakdowns for if he's still here in July.
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Is this what a Dutch Oven feels like?
Lots of updated pages..
Any new speculation of him going?
Any new speculation of him going?
Based on the last 25 years United do things differently.
You say that now, while the hurt is still fresh. Is this something youd be able to actually deliver on?
I cant see us turning things around in this tie but no way am I going to miss it.
Having said that, my commitment is definitely less than it used to be. There was a time when everything had to be planned around United games. It was the first thing down on the schedule for the weekend and unless it was something really important, everything the family did had to work around it. But I have missed loads of games this season, and to be honest in the last few seasons, because the family organised things without regard to the football. It isnt top priority anymore. If the kids want to go to the cinema at the weekend and it clashes with the game, I just think, sod it, Ill watch the highlights. That's new.
But I wouldnt be able to go a step further and just miss all our games. If Im free Ill watch them, and Ill certainly watch them all in highlights form at least.
Think that if we go out of the F.A. Cup and EL and CL becomes an impossibility the club should announce if a new manager is coming in the summer. Otherwise the stadium will be empty for the rest of the season. For the sanity of the players and fans it should be done. If people think LVG or Giggs will be there in the summer it will create a poisonous atmosphere around the club and it could be financially awkward as well. Fans might start boycotting the sponsors etc.
I wish I could miss the remaining games as well, but I just know I'll watch no matter how pointless would it be.
Forking out for the remaining games when we have nothing to play for and the players looking completely disinterested is going to be annoying to say the least.
Dreading Sunday. Definitely won't be renewing my ST if he is here next season, he's ruined my favourite thing in the world. I hate him more than Moyes.
Dreading Sunday. Definitely won't be renewing my ST if he is here next season, he's ruined my favourite thing in the world. I hate him more than Moyes.
The only only only explanation. It HAS to be.
welcome to the party! anyone else wanna join? we could form a support group and have hugs
The man who did those things is no longer at the helm. United are being left behind and teams like Liverpool and Spurs who were always behind us are getting ahead.
The teams performed like an incarnation of their managers last night. Liverpool full of passion and fearless. Manchester United, slow, terrified of taking risk and the result was never a doubt.
He has even thrown his philosophy out the window, we've struggled to keep the ball for a few games now. Fellaini, a player who should be everything that goes against his beliefs, plays probably because of sheer desperation. He doesn't move quickly after releasing the ball and is both tactically and physically indisciplined.
Like the band, there is no direction anymore.
He has even thrown his philosophy out the window, we've struggled to keep the ball for a few games now. Fellaini, a player who should be everything that goes against his beliefs, plays probably because of sheer desperation. He doesn't move quickly after releasing the ball and is both tactically and physically indisciplined.
Like the band, there is no direction anymore.
Perfect summary.
I've gone from actually liking him and genuinely wanting him to be a success to just despising him and what he has turned us into.
"LvG is an idiot, useless, hasn't got a clue, sucks the life out of players, etc. etc." It's all bollocks!!!
The fact is that the players aren't good enough (it's not LvG who, for example, marks a player on the wrong side or fails to complete an easy clearance) and the squad still lacks balance, no matter who the manager is. Should LvG go? It's probably in the best interest of the club. LvG has spent 300M without much progress and the football is too often boring as feck. It's difficult to defend that.
On the other hand, LvG is willing to give youngsters a chance and is putting in foundations for his successors to build on (rather than just providing short term fixes). The positives aspects of LvG's work won't become apparent until several seasons from now. Further to that, none of us can really judge on the work being done behind the scenes.
So if you really do care for the long term success of our football club, Paul Scholes included, then I think it is wise to keep an open mind and consider things from a more broad & long term perspective.
The fact is that the players aren't good enough (it's not LvG who, for example, marks a player on the wrong side or fails to complete an easy clearance) and the squad still lacks balance, no matter who the manager is. Should LvG go? It's probably in the best interest of the club. LvG has spent 300M without much progress and the football is too often boring as feck. It's difficult to defend that.
On the other hand, LvG is willing to give youngsters a chance and is putting in foundations for his successors to build on (rather than just providing short term fixes). The positives aspects of LvG's work won't become apparent until several seasons from now. Further to that, none of us can really judge on the work being done behind the scenes.
So if you really do care for the long term success of our football club, Paul Scholes included, then I think it is wise to keep an open mind and consider things from a more broad & long term perspective.
When was the last time he actually uttered the bullshit word 'philosophy'? The guy is a walking contradiction! I've never seen anyone in any sport ever be as full of so much shit as LVG.
Basically LVG can take credit for the positives but he isn't responsible for the rest, even though a football manager is supposed to improve his players individually and collectively, even though he is the one who purchased these players, even though he is the one choosing the lineups and tactics.
Could we just get rid already? Would give the fans and players a boost
Absolute bollocks. From the first sentence to the last.
eugh.. not this again. Its a load of bs.
if you really think that foundations are being laid by playing the likes of McNair, Love, etc then I despair for the future. He's playing the kids out of pure necessity, nothing else. Otherwise, why didn't he start Varela etc from the start when he clearly didn't rate Rafael? He'd rather play a winger (Valencia, Young) at RB
last night we saw Rashford playing some kind of wingback role. How is that helping him develop as a CF? His impact has been scoring goals, play him there if you're going to play him.
He's given up on his philosophy it seems so what foundations is he laying exactly? I'll tell you what, lowering expectations and accepting mediocrity!
Although i would not want Mourinho at this club, he is way better an option if the other option is Giggs.
However with Everton being purchased recently, would be an attractive proposition with some money flowing in and they having a good base? I would say yes, United might have to fight it out with them if Mourinho is available and Martinez is kicked out which might not happen but you never know.
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