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Just listened to 10 mins of Hawksbee & Jacobs on Talksport. I happened to catch an interview with the Dutch journalist, Marcel Van der Kraan, who had been at the post-match last night. he made excuses for the performance and claimed that Memphis & Blind were below par ( as were others ) simply because they were overawed by their Anfield experience. He seems to be a real apologist for VG, but did make some rather worrying ( from my perspective ) remarks on Louis' immediate future.

He, the journo, felt that Van Gaal and his Dutch contingent, are not in any way concerned about going in the summer, and felt that they were pretty bullish about seeing out the remainder of their respective contracts. He suggested that they'd all had reassurances from Woodward & the Glazers about their futures with the club, and had appeared completely unconcerned about the speculation regarding Mourinho. In fact, he claimed that the Van Gaal camp had specific information that Jose was not going to take over at the end of the season, and that the club was still looking to move forward with the Dutchman's blueprint.

I'm not saying there's anything in this, but listening to it certainly succeeded in giving me chest pains while I was trying to digest my lunch; and I was just wondering whether anyone knows anything about Mr. Van Der Kraan? Is he reliable? Is he tabloid? Does he enjoy any sort of professional or personal confidence where the Van Gaal contingent is concerned.

If that does happen, I have no clue why any fan want to support this organisation with their wallets
 
If that does happen, I have no clue why any fan want to support this organisation with their wallets
If they do that a lot of hardcore fans might stop going until he is gone. That will kill any atmosphere that does get generated. The stadium will end up full of daytrippers who sit there politely like they are at the ballet.
 
eugh.. not this again. Its a load of bs.

if you really think that foundations are being laid by playing the likes of McNair, Love, etc then I despair for the future. He's playing the kids out of pure necessity, nothing else. Otherwise, why didn't he start Varela etc from the start when he clearly didn't rate Rafael? He'd rather play a winger (Valencia, Young) at RB

last night we saw Rashford playing some kind of wingback role. How is that helping him develop as a CF? His impact has been scoring goals, play him there if you're going to play him.

He's given up on his philosophy it seems so what foundations is he laying exactly? I'll tell you what, lowering expectations and accepting mediocrity!
Correct - it's also why we we have barely seen Pereira...he doesn't play in a position injury has forced his hands in.
 
Just listened to 10 mins of Hawksbee & Jacobs on Talksport. I happened to catch an interview with the Dutch journalist, Marcel Van der Kraan, who had been at the post-match last night. he made excuses for the performance and claimed that Memphis & Blind were below par ( as were others ) simply because they were overawed by their Anfield experience. He seems to be a real apologist for VG, but did make some rather worrying ( from my perspective ) remarks on Louis' immediate future.

He, the journo, felt that Van Gaal and his Dutch contingent, are not in any way concerned about going in the summer, and felt that they were pretty bullish about seeing out the remainder of their respective contracts. He suggested that they'd all had reassurances from Woodward & the Glazers about their futures with the club, and had appeared completely unconcerned about the speculation regarding Mourinho. In fact, he claimed that the Van Gaal camp had specific information that Jose was not going to take over at the end of the season, and that the club was still looking to move forward with the Dutchman's blueprint.

I'm not saying there's anything in this, but listening to it certainly succeeded in giving me chest pains while I was trying to digest my lunch; and I was just wondering whether anyone knows anything about Mr. Van Der Kraan? Is he reliable? Is he tabloid? Does he enjoy any sort of professional or personal confidence where the Van Gaal contingent is concerned.
They let Moyes travel all over Europe scouting players knowing full well that they wouldnt be signing any of them, and that they were sacking Moyes.

They even paid for the trips. He's a dead man walking, simply because it'll be a financial decision very soon.(The Afidas contract stipulations)

And ignore the Lvgbots and apologists, not worth being taken seriously. Even his media contingent.
 
"LvG is an idiot, useless, hasn't got a clue, sucks the life out of players, etc. etc." It's all bollocks!!!

The fact is that the players aren't good enough (it's not LvG who, for example, marks a player on the wrong side or fails to complete an easy clearance) and the squad still lacks balance, no matter who the manager is. Should LvG go? It's probably in the best interest of the club. LvG has spent 300M without much progress and the football is too often boring as feck. It's difficult to defend that.
On the other hand, LvG is willing to give youngsters a chance and is putting in foundations for his successors to build on (rather than just providing short term fixes). The positives aspects of LvG's work won't become apparent until several seasons from now. Further to that, none of us can really judge on the work being done behind the scenes.
So if you really do care for the long term success of our football club, Paul Scholes included, then I think it is wise to keep an open mind and consider things from a more broad & long term perspective.

The squad balance is all on LvG though. No one forced him to get rid of 20 players and spend the vast amounts of money he has, yet we still have players out of position regularly in the starting XI and youth players covering a thin squad that's been cut down too much. The 'think about the long term' line is redundant too since even if the board is crazy enough not to sack him he'll be gone anyway next summer when his contract expires.
 
'Foundations', 'fundamentals', these are utterly meaningless terms in the context of a football club, we aren't talking about an ailing economy that has declined over the course of a number of decades for many reasons, it's a football club that has gone from an elite perennial challenger to a mediocre hope for top 4 side in the space of two years.

Improving the youth setup is not going to guarantee the clubs future success, it never has and never will, otherwise Southampton and West Ham would be regular title winners. Almost every great side in the last 20 years has seen a huge amount of investment in bringing in elite talent, Bayern, Barca, Madrid, Juve, Milan, United, Chelsea and Arsenal being the prime examples, our starting lineup in the 08 CL final had exactly two youth products, one of which was a generational midfield talent.

This bluster about how 'LVG is building for the future' has only ever been a pathetic excuse to try and justify his horrendous management and the results and performances that have been produced. He wasn't building for the future when he went out and broke the British transfer record for Di Maria, or brought in Schneiderlin, Blind, Herrera, Schweinsteiger or Darmian. These aren't 'players for the future', they are all in and around or reaching their prime and were bought to improve the first 11 now. He has continually picked the likes of Young, Valencia, Carrick, Rooney, Fellaini over younger options, and the only reason he has ever really played any youth players was due to having nobody else available thanks to his rubbish squad management.

When Van Gaal was hired the popular line about him was that 'he's won titles at every club' not 'he plays young players'. He was brought in to stabilize a club in freefall, get us back into the CL, bring in quality first 11 players and get us back to where we should be by his third season, not a word about 'fundamentals' or any other such bullshit.
Spot on. He's been a chancer here since the 3-5-2 experiment after the world cup. Our good run of forms have been by chance rather than design. We should have let him take up his retirement fund at Spurs and gotten JM or Pocchetino. One of many mistakes the past 2 and a half years.
 
If they do that a lot of hardcore fans might stop going until he is gone. That will kill any atmosphere that does get generated. The stadium will end up full of daytrippers who sit there politely like they are at the ballet.

I'm a day tripper and no chance i'm spending £50 on petrol getting up there and back & £45 quid on a ticket to watch more of Van Gaals dogshit next season, anyway thats GROSSLY unfair on us day trippers, sometimes I like... clap and everything.
 
I'm a day tripper and no chance i'm spending £50 on petrol getting up there and back & £45 quid on a ticket to watch more of Van Gaals dogshit next season, anyway thats GROSSLY unfair on us day trippers, sometimes I like... clap and everything.
I'm a daytripper as well. I admit it. If he stays my MUTV is going. I am barely watching it. Last season was not great, but at least we got some good results.
 
They let Moyes travel all over Europe scouting players knowing full well that they wouldnt be signing any of them, and that they were sacking Moyes.

They even paid for the trips. He's a dead man walking, simply because it'll be a financial decision very soon.(The Afidas contract stipulations)

And ignore the Lvgbots and apologists, not worth being taken seriously. Even his media contingent.
Thanks for that. Forgot about what a duplicitous little ferret Woodward can be.
 
The only way he goes before he end of the season is if the support make their feelings towards LVG and Woodward very clear. It won't happen though.
 
I've been following United for very nearly 50 years and I never thought it would ever come to this - I am actually wanting us to lose to get rid of this arrogant, narcissistic Dutch arsehole.

I know how you feel dude.
My attitude now is that if we win - great.
If we lose - it takes us one step closer to LVG leaving. So I don't see a loss as a complete negative any more.

The most depressing game for me was when we went out of the CL. I couldn't believe that we'd just been ejected from the CL, so easily.
Before that game I genuinely believed we could win trophies and had faith in LVG's master plan.

Then came that December where we lost/drew every game. That was it for me.

Since, then after every game, I go to the post-match thread, then to the LVG-out thread.
For our last 2 games, I don't even bother with the post-match thread. I go straight to the LVG-out thread.
 
The only way he goes before he end of the season is if the support make their feelings towards LVG and Woodward very clear. It won't happen though.
It's certainly unlikely when all it takes for some fans to be 'swayed' is a couple of flukey wins and some 'hilarious' theatrics on the sideline. Just wait for the next time we eek out a win for the usual cohort to be back here with their crap about 'turning a corner'. I'm not one to criticize the match going fans, they're the ones paying hard earned money and making the effort to watch this rubbish week in week out, but this is the same crowd that gave Moyes a standing ovation in April to show how 'different', 'classy' and 'patient' we are compared to everybody else, as if that even matters. The OT crowd won't fully turn on LVG or Woodward, which I bloody wish they would already.
 
The squad balance is all on LvG though. No one forced him to get rid of 20 players and spend the vast amounts of money he has, yet we still have players out of position regularly in the starting XI and youth players covering a thin squad that's been cut down too much. The 'think about the long term' line is redundant too since even if the board is crazy enough not to sack him he'll be gone anyway next summer when his contract expires.

Well said ofc the squad balance is on LvG!!
 
Thanks for that. Forgot about what a duplicitous little ferret Woodward can be.
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It was a necessary evil.

Remember that at the time the English press who were quite close to Moyes were going on and on about how he would be given a warchest in the Summer to rebuild United. However at the time we had already secretly met Van Gaal , which had been reported by foreign media.

Lets wait for the summer to unfold, but there will be a lot of noise during this period.
 
Van Gaal is actually so bad I've just bought Football Manager 2016 after not playing this franchise for 9 years now

For anyone interested, just bought the Touch version, seems to be more like the faster paced game of old.
 
Mistakes of LVG's reign.

1. Selling Kagawa, RVP, Hernandez.
2. Not selling Rooney, Carrick, Fellaini
3. Being too overconfident of his abilities.
4. Thinking he can impart his possession football tactics to bin heads like Rooney, Fellaini.
5. Not giving Herrera a proper run in the team which might make him leave at the end of the season.
6. Not using Mata's strengths.
7. Not using Di Maria properly (although Di Maria is to also be blamed for not giving his all for the team)
8. Binning the good work during last season (those 4 games) and not continuing with the same formation, team this season.
9. Not learning from his mistakes due to his huge ego and thiking that he is too good to change.
10. Taking United fans for granted.
11. Making Rooney as the captian of this team and refusing to see the truth that Rooney made United look worse than they were on the pitch.
12. Saying that Rooney is the captain and the captain shall always play post the Arsenal match which killed all my hopes that he finally has learnt his lesson.

*i hate rooney.
 
Remember that at the time the English press who were quite close to Moyes were going on and on about how he would be given a warchest in the Summer to rebuild United. However at the time we had already secretly met Van Gaal , which had been reported by foreign media.

Indeed.
And this time around, it seems that we are not even making any attempt to hide the fact that we are signing Mourinho.
We are not denying rumours about Mourinho. We just aren't saying anything.

Meanwhile the media is repeatedly stating that Jose is MUFC bound.
The Dutch contingent must be complete and utter imbeciles if they can't see what is happening, right under their noses, while their fellow journalists all reporting on Mourinho's imminent arrival.

The only guy who I would like to stay is the GK coach (Frans Hoek). That guy is superb. Our 1st and 2nd choice GKs are top class and I think he has a lot to do with this.
 
If they do that a lot of hardcore fans might stop going until he is gone. That will kill any atmosphere that does get generated. The stadium will end up full of daytrippers who sit there politely like they are at the ballet.

Possibly, but it has got to the point where there is better things to spend money on, than that garbage. I will always support united, but I am not giving that lot a cent of my money because of the way the club is run, its run by idiots and VG has pushed and pushed. Yes we should support them through thick and thin, its just the sheer arrogance of the attitude of the people running that club is the reason why I am not spending any money on that club.
 
I know how you feel dude.
My attitude now is that if we win - great.
If we lose - it takes us one step closer to LVG leaving. So I don't see a loss as a complete negative any more.

The most depressing game for me was when we went out of the CL. I couldn't believe that we'd just been ejected from the CL, so easily.
Before that game I genuinely believed we could win trophies and had faith in LVG's master plan.

Then came that December where we lost/drew every game. That was it for me.

Since, then after every game, I go to the post-match thread, then to the LVG-out thread.
For our last 2 games, I don't even bother with the post-match thread. I go straight to the LVG-out thread.

:lol: I totally feel your pain dude.
 
I dont want to sound overly pessimistic regarding matches but I see us losing or going to a replay at best v West Ham on Sunday. Liverpool will score at OT, we may even win but we wont score 4 so we'll be out and City will do us next weekend with relative ease leaving them 9 clear of us with a game in hand (they'll beat Norwich tomorrow).
Our season will be practically over by 20th of March and I wouldn't bet against us not even qualifying for the Europa next season.
Surely then if this does transpire murmurings of his future must be leaked to the press as no way being a complete and utter failure of a manager and our club also looking like some third rate wank fest can be tolerated any longer by us fans. No one mans feelings are more important than the clubs image, success and ultimately profits.
 
I know how you feel dude.
My attitude now is that if we win - great.
If we lose - it takes us one step closer to LVG leaving. So I don't see a loss as a complete negative any more
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The most depressing game for me was when we went out of the CL. I couldn't believe that we'd just been ejected from the CL, so easily.
Before that game I genuinely believed we could win trophies and had faith in LVG's master plan.

Then came that December where we lost/drew every game. That was it for me.

Since, then after every game, I go to the post-match thread, then to the LVG-out thread.
For our last 2 games, I don't even bother with the post-match thread. I go straight to the LVG-out thread.

Exactly, other than the very narrow band of LvG fanboys who were giddy again last week after our three match winning streak, I reckon this is how most people feel right now.

It's really not good though, this time last season I was turning myself inside worrying about us getting into the top 4, now I just watch us and don't really care what happens, and that is purely because LvG is still our manager. He, and the people who won't fire him have literally sucked the life out of the club, and killed any real enjoyment for the majority of the fans... Although I'm sure Santiago and Empire are maybe still seeing the positives.
 
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I urge to to avoid the article. Complete nonsense he's spouting. Will just make you angrier.
 
The last three years have been worse than I could have imagined. After passing over Mourinho, I thought we would merely fall back into top 4. When we appointed Van Gaal, I thought we would be back competing for top spot. Instead we are well on course for a second finish in three years outside the top 4 (or 5 or 6). In terms of resources relative to achievement, we must now be the biggest underachievers in world football by a country mile.
 
The only guy who I would like to stay is the GK coach (Frans Hoek). That guy is superb. Our 1st and 2nd choice GKs are top class and I think he has a lot to do with this.
People said the exact same thing about the two previous GK coaches. I think it's safe to say DDG deserves more credit for his own development than any GK coach we've had.
 
Please somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

We win a couple of games and he praises himself saying it was his idea to have a small squad and his idea to trust the youth.

We lose a couple of games and he blames that same small squad...?
 

We need this piece of analysis to put our minds at rest.

Please somebody correct me if I'm wrong...

We win a couple of games and he praises himself saying it was his idea to have a small squad and his idea to trust the youth.

We lose a couple of games and he blames that same small squad...?
It's got to the point where you can only laugh :lol:.
 
If we are knocked out of the FA Cup, the Europa League and lose to City then I cannot see him staying. We will be gone from every competition.
 


This is the problem though, to us this seems absurd as we're used to success. The Glazers are used to money though, and that is still rolling in, sure, he'll probably miss out on the CL this year, but they seem content with his methods and ideas for the future, he's still here so it seems we're buying this snake oil he's peddling. This is why I think he's staying. Woodward thinks he's a 'genius' and won't want to get rid of him as it's another failure for him too, Van Gaal seems shocked that we're expecting success (or 'living in the past') still and is apparently assured of his position at the club.

Other than paper talk, there's nothing to suggest LVG isn't staying next season and I know of at least one person who's usually pretty level headed, who is certain Mourinho has signed on elsewhere next season already. I won't say where as I'm not trying to come across as ITK or anything.
 
"The style (of play) is working"

LvG, ladies and gentlemen.

Oh god :lol: why is he making it so difficult for himself? He just has to keep his mouth shut. Try ending the season on a high and retire with maybe the FA cup if United don't screw up as usual.

This is just heartbreaking. He is becoming a parody. All his Ajax days will be forgetten and he will become a joke.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/11/luis-van-gaal-three-year-manchester-united-plan

“We are in three different competitions, and at this stage of the season a lot of other teams and managers cannot say that"

It'll be one by Thursday next week.

"I have been unable to play the same lineup in many matches because of injuries or tired players. When you are in three competitions and you don’t have too many players it is difficult"

Who sold the rest of them?
 
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