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He should be sacked now, since we have a chance now at a top 4 finish (not with LVG though).

Of course this won't happen, and he won't be sacked until he makes in impossible again (mathematically this time) to finish in the top 4, but we really should sack him now and hire Mourinho for the remaining games.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
We rode our luck and individual performances a ton when Fergie was in charge, so this kind of win is nothing new. Only difference is this might get us top 4 where as previously those flukes used to win us the league.
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With SAF we used to have flukes like this, but win many of the remaining games convincingly. With Van Gaal these fluke wins seem to be all the wins we get.
 
The next couple of games will be telling.

LvG will have had enough time with the kids to strap them to the chair and force feed them his philosophy.

We'll be coming out with 80% possession, zero goals, a smiling Van Gaal and a distant memory of attacking football.
 
Say what you like about Van Gaal, but you've got to admire his stubbornness and belief in his own ability as a manager. To pull a run of wins out of nowhere with so many players out after Sunderland and Midgetland away is nothing short of impressive.
 
He's still going to leave at the end of the season right.....

I do worry that our board will end up letting him finish his contract.
 
Kopral Jono said:
Say what you like about Van Gaal, but you've got to admire his stubbornness and belief in his own ability as a manager. To pull a run of wins out of nowhere with so many players out after Sunderland and Midgetland away is nothing short of impressive.
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The only team of note has been Arsenal
 
Kopral Jono said:
Say what you like about Van Gaal, but you've got to admire his stubbornness and belief in his own ability as a manager. To pull a run of wins out of nowhere with so many players out after Sunderland and Midgetland away is nothing short of impressive.
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Its nothing short of a complete fluke. There's no way he could have known Martial would have been so good all season & doubly nonway he could have known Rashford would be such an explosive stand-in. LVG admitted he had only ever saw him training a few times for the reserves.

Complete managerial roulette, even I come up lucky on red 7's once in a while and walk out of the casino like Ocean's 11.

Not to take away from the results of late, been a great buzz arount OT. I will never forgive Luis for the dross he's served up this season in what has to have been the most winnable league ever. Flavour of the month now, but we've all been here before. He'll crush the running and creativity out of the youth before long & will have Fellaini, Valencia & Rooney back in the team quick as a flash. Normailty will be resumed.

For now though, I'm enjoying the blip.. but the wool isn't over my eyes.
 
Attila said:
He's still going to leave at the end of the season right.....

I do worry that our board will end up letting him finish his contract.
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This is my fear too - I pray the board have got more sense. I'm not fooled by the current lucky run, Arsenal was the only team of note and they always self destruct this time of year.

He was forced to put in the kids as he sold most of the squad, it was not some act of genius. Some of them have looked good, so he now takes the credit. It could just have easily gone the other way.

While we cling on to the hope of 4th as other teams seem determined not to win the league this year, it makes me more and more angry as we *should* have been challenging and in the mix. 4th last season, then investing through another summer... it's a disgrace that we wouldn't walk away with the league this year based on how other teams are playing - there will probably never be a better opportunity to win it so easily.

He is a decent bloke to the fans and in public, but no amount of fake diving will change my view that he should have gone long ago.
 
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Danny1982 said:
With SAF we used to have flukes like this, but win many of the remaining games convincingly. With Van Gaal these fluke wins seem to be all the wins we get.
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Come on! You don't get to 47 points with fluke wins. There is a lot of exaggeration there. I lost my patience with LVG in Jan, but credit where it is due, he has turned it around somewhat over the last 4 games. We have played well for the most part (except Watford), but our movement of the ball has been much better. The ball is now being "zipped" to the other players, and it's not a slow laboured (can't-be-arsed-to-run) type of pass.

The important thing now is to hold on to this "good feeling" and win as many games as possible over the next couple of weeks. If we can put a 6-7 game winning streak in (i.e win 2-3 more games), I'd think that he has turned it around and we'll have a good shot at staying in the top 4.

FrenchRed said:
He was forced to put in the kids as he sold most of the squad, it was not some act of genius. Some of them have looked god, so he now takes the credit. It could just have easily gone the other way.
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I agree with the rest of your post, but this bit isn't fair. He was putting young players into games before (in December/ Jan) and got full stick for thinning the squad to the extent that it couldn't take injuries. He will be sacked for his decision to keep the squad thin, if we don't end up in the top 4. (I do think that the club will keep him if we stay in the champions league). Playing the kids in isn't easy, it takes a lot of guts, and for him, it could mean that he can lose his last job in football very publicly and unceremoniously, if it goes wrong. He should be taking credit. There may be a lot wrong with LVG, but him playing kids does deserve credit. The media's manager elect for us, wouldn't have near half as much guts!
 
FrenchRed said:
This is my fear too - I pray the board have got more sense. I'm not fooled by the current lucky run, Arsenal was the only team of note and they always self destruct this time of year.

He was forced to put in the kids as he sold most of the squad, it was not some act of genius. Some of them have looked god, so he now takes the credit. It could just have easily gone the other way.

While we cling on to the hope of 4th as other teams seem determined not to win the league this year, it makes me more and more angry as we *should* have been challenging and in the mix. 4th last season, then investing through another summer... it's a disgrace that we wouldn't walk away with the league this year based on how other teams are playing - there will probably never be a better opportunity to win it so easily.

He is a decent bloke to the fans and in public, but no amount of fake diving will change my view that he should have gone long ago.
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100%.
 
FrenchRed said:
This is my fear too - I pray the board have got more sense. I'm not fooled by the current lucky run, Arsenal was the only team of note and they always self destruct this time of year.

He was forced to put in the kids as he sold most of the squad, it was not some act of genius. Some of them have looked god, so he now takes the credit. It could just have easily gone the other way.

While we cling on to the hope of 4th as other teams seem determined not to win the league this year, it makes me more and more angry as we *should* have been challenging and in the mix. 4th last season, then investing through another summer... it's a disgrace that we wouldn't walk away with the league this year based on how other teams are playing - there will probably never be a better opportunity to win it so easily.

He is a decent bloke to the fans and in public, but no amount of fake diving will change my view that he should have gone long ago.
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Yep
 
Sunny Jim said:
Ideal scenerio? Win the FA and Europa, get 4th, sack him in the summer.
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Cup double, knock city out of the top 4 and he finishes what he started next season with Rooney and Jones leaving, Laporte, Kane, Gundogan and Mahrez coming in.
 
Anirudh said:
I agree with the rest of your post, but this bit isn't fair. He was putting young players into games before (in December/ Jan) and got full stick for thinning the squad to the extent that it couldn't take injuries. He will be sacked for his decision to keep the squad thin, if we don't end up in the top 4. (I do think that the club will keep him if we stay in the champions league). Playing the kids in isn't easy, it takes a lot of guts, and for him, it could mean that he can lose his last job in football very publicly and unceremoniously, if it goes wrong. He should be taking credit. There may be a lot wrong with LVG, but him playing kids does deserve credit. The media's manager elect for us, wouldn't have near half as much guts!
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'They thought they had him by the balls but their hands weren't big enough'

But it's not just guts, credit to the youngsters for doing so well, but they can't do well on their own. It takes a manager who prevents them from showing their immaturity. You can't just put youngsters in and relie on their talent, vision and experience, you have to give them something to hold on to. That's where LvG is particularly good at.
 
The deal to replace LVG with Mourinho I think is already done for the summer. This if you like could be seen as LVG 'legacy' what with bedding in so many youngsters.
 
Jonno said:
And the performance of note in the second leg of the Europa. Regardless of the opponents, that performance from that set of players was the best I've seen this season
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Against a second rate team to be fair!
 
Sunny Jim said:
Ideal scenerio? Win the FA and Europa, get 4th, sack him in the summer.
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Out the 4 things you mention Sunny Jim I only think he will manage 1 and that will be the sack. He's been dreadful in a season where the standard has been atrocious. We need Jose asap.
 
Easy to get carried away with the hype about 4 wins in a row and all that gaff, but these were against Midgetland (convincing against p*ss poor opposition), Shrewsbury (read previous), Arsenal (the woeful version that is on a run like our December) and Watford (very lucky win...at home...against a promoted side).

The positives of course are there - Rashford, Jackson, Fosu-Mensah apart, Memphis has also looked good and the overall play is much better going forward (credit to Rooney and Fellaini for not being around). That said, there's nothing in this run that screams out that we've turned a corner. Specially not when you look at LvG's past with us...and doubly so when you take into account his statement that Rooney when he returns, will go straight back to being an "undroppable".

Hate being a pessimist, but with the form of the other sides, we should have been walking the league, so fighting for 4th is a failure in itself. The fact that we will most probably not even get that is just simply depressing.

I'm holding out hope we'll get 4th / better but that's mainly pinned on the others being more sh*te. Even if we get there though, LvG has to go (and this from someone who till as late as November was extolling his virtues and preaching patience :-( ).
 
midnightmare said:
Easy to get carried away with the hype about 4 wins in a row and all that gaff, but these were against Midgetland (convincing against p*ss poor opposition), Shrewsbury (read previous), Arsenal (the woeful version that is on a run like our December) and Watford (very lucky win...at home...against a promoted side).

The positives of course are there - Rashford, Jackson, Fosu-Mensah apart, Memphis has also looked good and the overall play is much better going forward (credit to Rooney and Fellaini for not being around). That said, there's nothing in this run that screams out that we've turned a corner. Specially not when you look at LvG's past with us...and doubly so when you take into account his statement that Rooney when he returns, will go straight back to being an "undroppable".

Hate being a pessimist, but with the form of the other sides, we should have been walking the league, so fighting for 4th is a failure in itself. The fact that we will most probably not even get that is just simply depressing.

I'm holding out hope we'll get 4th / better but that's mainly pinned on the others being more sh*te. Even if we get there though, LvG has to go (and this from someone who till as late as November was extolling his virtues and preaching patience :-( ).
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So Santa is not real :nervous::nervous::nervous::nervous:
 
FrenchRed said:
This is my fear too - I pray the board have got more sense. I'm not fooled by the current lucky run, Arsenal was the only team of note and they always self destruct this time of year.

He was forced to put in the kids as he sold most of the squad, it was not some act of genius. Some of them have looked god, so he now takes the credit. It could just have easily gone the other way.

While we cling on to the hope of 4th as other teams seem determined not to win the league this year, it makes me more and more angry as we *should* have been challenging and in the mix. 4th last season, then investing through another summer... it's a disgrace that we wouldn't walk away with the league this year based on how other teams are playing - there will probably never be a better opportunity to win it so easily.

He is a decent bloke to the fans and in public, but no amount of fake diving will change my view that he should have gone long ago.
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Agreed.
 
Will be interesting to see what happens if we get top four, I reckon LvG keeps his job.
 
Must say im slightly baffled by the pro LvG stance people are taking up again, non of it makes sense to me.

The attacking play of late is simply him being forced to allow the team to attack, because his get 0-0, maybe grab a 1-0 win philosophy no longer cuts it. 0-0 Draws at this stage are effectively losses, as we need to catch up quickly, this is no longer playing the long game, slow and steady will not win the race. If we want a chance at top four he needs to send them out to go and get wins.

Midtjelland were comfortable in the Europa tie. They were done in by a freak own goal and still held out until the 63rd minute! 5-1 was just their heads going late on, if not for that own goal, id have completely expected us to be out of the Europa now. Arsenal played dire, for whatever reason, they were poor, their midfield and attacking players were dogshit. Thank feck Rashford was clinical.

And bringing through youth players is not a credit to LvG when it takes so many damned injuries for it to happen and James Wilson is out on loan when we go through the season lacking strikers and Rooney playing there when he's awful.

As far as im concerned he's still a massively negative influence and should be replaced. Id be on the phone to Mourinho emphasizing that after this round of results there's still an outside chance 4th could be achieved, as he'd be far more likely to get us there.
 
Sassy Colin said:
Well this recent form has put the cat amongst the pigeons, changed my vote to evaluate at the end of the season. Hope it's not another false dawn.
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False dawn or not, it's extremely unlikely that he'll be sacked before the season ends
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
Midtjelland were comfortable in the Europa tie. They were done in by a freak own goal and still held out until the 63rd minute! 5-1 was just their heads going late on, if not for that own goal, id have completely expected us to be out of the Europa now.
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I'd agree with your general sentiment but the above isn't true. We could and should have been 2 or 3 up before they scored from their one attack and were duly put back under the pressure immediately after.

They never looked like doing enough at Old Trafford to win the tie.
 
GimmeAKitKat said:
Must say im slightly baffled by the pro LvG stance people are taking up again, non of it makes sense to me.

The attacking play of late is simply him being forced to allow the team to attack, because his get 0-0, maybe grab a 1-0 win philosophy no longer cuts it. 0-0 Draws at this stage are effectively losses, as we need to catch up quickly, this is no longer playing the long game, slow and steady will not win the race. If we want a chance at top four he needs to send them out to go and get wins.

Midtjelland were comfortable in the Europa tie. They were done in by a freak own goal and still held out until the 63rd minute! 5-1 was just their heads going late on, if not for that own goal, id have completely expected us to be out of the Europa now. Arsenal played dire, for whatever reason, they were poor, their midfield and attacking players were dogshit. Thank feck Rashford was clinical.

And bringing through youth players is not a credit to LvG when it takes so many damned injuries for it to happen and James Wilson is out on loan when we go through the season lacking strikers and Rooney playing there when he's awful.

As far as im concerned he's still a massively negative influence and should be replaced. Id be on the phone to Mourinho emphasizing that after this round of results there's still an outside chance 4th could be achieved, as he'd be far more likely to get us there.
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Where do I say I like this post?

One thing that you've not mentioned though is regarding the attacking football we've seen these days. Frankly, my guess is that this is because he too knows that with the defenders we are forced to field now, we're highly unlikely to keep a CS despite DDG, even if we play 10 behind the ball and keep 80% possession... Against Arsenal, even that dross version we played, we still conceded two and it was no surprise (the surprise was scoring 3!). Also, these young players were forced on him by the situation and they've not yet had their core instincts dinned out of them!

Frankly, the very fact that he's made it clear that Rashford will make way for Fellaini / Rooney immediately should be enough to issue him his marching orders...
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
'They thought they had him by the balls but their hands weren't big enough'

But it's not just guts, credit to the youngsters for doing so well, but they can't do well on their own. It takes a manager who prevents them from showing their immaturity. You can't just put youngsters in and relie on their talent, vision and experience, you have to give them something to hold on to. That's where LvG is particularly good at.
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It didn't take guts for Van Gaal to play the youth, it was his decision to butcher the squad. Injuries forced his hand, otherwise we'd still be served up terrible football with Fellaini in centre mid. His only way out was to play the youth... if they were terrible, he gets off blaming injuries and lack of experience. Turns out they've been good so far & he's claiming it as a managerial masterclass.

He admitted himself he only ever saw Rashford playing in reserve training games before he had his hand forced against Midjiland. He relied entirely on their talent, vision and experience. The refreshing thing about seeing the youth blossom is that they have "something to hold on to"... a passion for the club and an urge to attack playing the Utd way. I just hope he's gone before he snuffs out the attacking nous of the younger players like he has done with the senior players.
 
midnightmare said:
Where do I say I like this post?

One thing that you've not mentioned though is regarding the attacking football we've seen these days. Frankly, my guess is that this is because he too knows that with the defenders we are forced to field now, we're highly unlikely to keep a CS despite DDG, even if we play 10 behind the ball and keep 80% possession... Against Arsenal, even that dross version we played, we still conceded two and it was no surprise (the surprise was scoring 3!). Also, these young players were forced on him by the situation and they've not yet had their core instincts dinned out of them!

Frankly, the very fact that he's made it clear that Rashford will make way for Fellaini / Rooney immediately should be enough to issue him his marching orders...
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Please tell me this is a lie?! If this is the case, as you say... he should be cut loose with immediate effect. In fairness, he should never have seen in 2016 as manager of Utd.
 
I've just changed my vote from: out now, to: evaluate at end of the season.

Sacking him now would be silly.
 
His judgement on signing Fosu-Mensah at such early age was a good decision. I'll give him that.
 
midnightmare said:
Where do I say I like this post?

One thing that you've not mentioned though is regarding the attacking football we've seen these days. Frankly, my guess is that this is because he too knows that with the defenders we are forced to field now, we're highly unlikely to keep a CS despite DDG, even if we play 10 behind the ball and keep 80% possession... Against Arsenal, even that dross version we played, we still conceded two and it was no surprise (the surprise was scoring 3!). Also, these young players were forced on him by the situation and they've not yet had their core instincts dinned out of them!

Frankly, the very fact that he's made it clear that Rashford will make way for Fellaini / Rooney immediately should be enough to issue him his marching orders...
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I didn't know this was the case. Rooney would make sense as he is established but Fellaini is just a rubbish striker.
 
iKeano said:
It didn't take guts for Van Gaal to play the youth, it was his decision to butcher the squad. Injuries forced his hand, otherwise we'd still be served up terrible football with Fellaini in centre mid. His only way out was to play the youth... if they were terrible, he gets off blaming injuries and lack of experience. Turns out they've been good so far & he's claiming it as a managerial masterclass.
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It was his decision to have to relie on youngsters in case of injuries, that's correct.

He admitted himself he only ever saw Rashford playing in reserve training games before he had his hand forced against Midjiland. He relied entirely on their talent, vision and experience. The refreshing thing about seeing the youth blossom is that they have "something to hold on to"... a passion for the club and an urge to attack playing the Utd way. I just hope he's gone before he snuffs out the attacking nous of the younger players like he has done with the senior players.
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Yeah right. He's just lucky that everywhere he goes there are youngsters with enough passion, vision and talent to just walk into the team and play well. Mourinho for example always has bad luck in that.
 
Danny1982 said:
He should be sacked now, since we have a chance now at a top 4 finish (not with LVG though).

Of course this won't happen, and he won't be sacked until he makes in impossible again (mathematically this time) to finish in the top 4, but we really should sack him now and hire Mourinho for the remaining games.
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This.

If we got Mourinho in now I'd be very confident of us winning a cup and maybe even finishing 4th or 3rd.
 
People here are so ridiculous. Team playing well. Youth coming through. Players coming back.

What should we do ?

Sack LvG.

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Dr. Funkenstein said:
'They thought they had him by the balls but their hands weren't big enough'

But it's not just guts, credit to the youngsters for doing so well, but they can't do well on their own. It takes a manager who prevents them from showing their immaturity. You can't just put youngsters in and relie on their talent, vision and experience, you have to give them something to hold on to. That's where LvG is particularly good at.
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I agree, I also think its the system. He is making sure that above all, everyone knows the roles they have to play. If every player knows how to adjust for the other's game, its easier for the youngsters to come in, so that the relatively more experienced players can compensate for their tactical 'naivety'. (Though Blind hugely failed at doing that in the Watford game)
 
I think LvG could be summed up as right manager for United, wrong results.

We see flashes of what the philosophy is supposed to be but then it reverts to just horrid slow buildup play. But as far as his transfers have gone Id give him 7/10. His youth policy 10/10. Results 6/10.

If he salvages something from this season I expect him to get next year too.
 
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