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duncan castles(effectively mendes mouth peice) reckons Utd are risking losing out moutinho.
Why are our fans trying to be top reds ? why not just give the board and manager what they deserve. Lvg needs to go and OT needs to let the board, manager and the world know how it feels.
 
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If any manager in the bottom 10 of the league had those above stats of 4 wins from 13 league games, and had spent 250million, they would have been fecking sacked a long time ago

We need to sack this cocaine nosed clown now, bring in Mourinho, and win the EL, its the only chance of getting into the CL
 
This club is now an absolute fecking shambles. The board are utterly fecking spineless and clueless.

Worse than Moyes.
 
Thought he might've been gone when I woke up this morning, but it was probably more hope than expectation.
 
Sadly this season is turning worse than Moyes in terms of competition/cup performance.
All 3 United said:
We are an absolute laughing stock to opposition fans.

How he's in a job is quite frankly unbelievable for a club of our size.

Not only should LVG and Giggs be shown the door but the decision makers at the top level need the bullet too. We really are in one hell of a mess.
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we're just not decisive. Some say United don't want to be a firing club, manager merry-go round kinda thing but the truth is we are not decisive enough to be a truly top club on the pitch. twice nor in 3 seasons we have waited until top 4 is almost out of reach despite little evidence the manager can turn it around. I believe Bayern sacked him when they thought he might jeopardise their champions league qualification prospects and that decisiveness lead to them getting to 2 consecutive finals. We won't even qualify. Acted too late on Moyes. Acted too late on LVG. I guess when the board said title challenge and CL qualification, it was just air. "we are Man Utd. We don't need champions league football. Our commercial deals mean we can offset the money and remain financially competitive." That should be our new motto. A club that puts business so far ahead of our football performance. A club that is becoming disconnected from why fans follow football.
 
It's been very interesting watching the subtle shift in expectations at the club - from the board to the fans. Even more interesting is how quickly it's happened.

It should be a commandment - written in stone that the BEAR minimum expectation of a United Manager is 4th - that's not a will they won't they kind of 4th - it's the kind of 4th that comes about after a title challenge slips away due to an injury crisis during the second half of a season.

LVG has been masterful at resetting and managing our expectations - he's admitted himself 4th isn't possible anymore.

A Club with the resources we have should expect a title challenge every season - that's not spoilt, that's the quality of squad our filthy lucre should be able to assemble.

It brings me absolutely no joy to scrape 4th to make up the numbers in the Champions league - if anything, limping out of the group stages makes our cataclysmic fall from power even more evident. A horrible reminder of what we once were.

LVG has to go even if he flukes 4th.
 
itso 7 said:
Big difference between Southampton and Spurs moreso if one is leaving for an ailing club like ours. He has brought Spurs into the thick of the title race and CL football is virtually guaranteed why leave now?
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Bigger club, better platform, higher ceiling. If he wants to be one of the greats United is a better option
 
Godfather said:
Nobody in the world understands how he is still in job
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I'm now at a complete loss. We're so, so bad. Even our so-called good run in 2016 has been littered with crap results. LvG has been banging on about an upturn in form, yet we've buggered up against Newcastle, Southampton, Chelsea and Sunderland.

The decision-makers at the club have ruined our season by not removing him in December. We could have been in the title race if the right decision had been made.
 
What's more worrying is everyone acceptance he's staying until the end of the season. The fans should be up in arms to force the fecker out.
 
Devil81 said:
What's more worrying is everyone acceptance he's staying until the end of the season. The fans should be up in arms to force the fecker out.
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Two seasons out of three now we've completely wasted due to the board not making a decision quick enough. The depth of our malaise wouldn't have happened so quickly at another top club, because they'd have made the right decisions far more swiftly.

I feel completely hopeless. Even though it's clear he should go, I know the board will do nothing. Yet another season that I can't wait to finish.
 
SteveW said:
Bigger club, better platform, higher ceiling. If he wants to be one of the greats United is a better option
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That, admittedly, is not debatable but we aren't using all our strengths to our advantage because of incompetence throughout the structure, changing one man isn't going to solve all that. He might be good, Moyes was and Van Gaal had a stellar track record so who is to say he won't view the job as a poisoned chalice and would rather stay where he is?
Would he really have confidence in the ability of the board to completely back him not, financially but competently, in getting the exact players he would want? I know I don't, we are so poor in the market it's depressing from going all out for unattainable targets to spending vast amounts on dross. We are well and truly in the wilderness whilst Spurs are on the up and, with no immediate threat of losing their key players, they are on course to win a few trophies during the next few years.
 
rpitchfo said:
It's been very interesting watching the subtle shift in expectations at the club - from the board to the fans. Even more interesting is how quickly it's happened.

It should be a commandment - written in stone that the BEAR minimum expectation of a United Manager is 4th - that's not a will they won't they kind of 4th - it's the kind of 4th that comes about after a title challenge slips away due to an injury crisis during the second half of a season.

LVG has been masterful at resetting and managing our expectations - he's admitted himself 4th isn't possible anymore.

A Club with the resources we have should expect a title challenge every season - that's not spoilt, that's the quality of squad our filthy lucre should be able to assemble.

It brings me absolutely no joy to scrape 4th to make up the numbers in the Champions league - if anything, limping out of the group stages makes our cataclysmic fall from power even more evident. A horrible reminder of what we once were.

LVG has to go even if he flukes 4th.
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Its like appointing LVG as CEO of Apple and two years later find out that the company offers products ugly as shite, hardly working and Apple.not.being profitable any more.

Really, we are not.spoilt.we just know that with these resources we should be doing better.
 
Don't think he'll be sacked this season, no matter what. It'd have happened already surely.

I suspect he'll go in the summer, leaving the new manager with the huge task of rebuilding before the season starts, at short notice. I think Mourinho will be out of the question by then and I don't believe Pochettino will come. Not sure who we'll target to be honest but it could finish with Giggs being given the job by default.
 
rpitchfo said:
It's been very interesting watching the subtle shift in expectations at the club - from the board to the fans. Even more interesting is how quickly it's happened.

It should be a commandment - written in stone that the BEAR minimum expectation of a United Manager is 4th - that's not a will they won't they kind of 4th - it's the kind of 4th that comes about after a title challenge slips away due to an injury crisis during the second half of a season.

LVG has been masterful at resetting and managing our expectations - he's admitted himself 4th isn't possible anymore.

A Club with the resources we have should expect a title challenge every season - that's not spoilt, that's the quality of squad our filthy lucre should be able to assemble.

It brings me absolutely no joy to scrape 4th to make up the numbers in the Champions league - if anything, limping out of the group stages makes our cataclysmic fall from power even more evident. A horrible reminder of what we once were.

LVG has to go even if he flukes 4th.
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LVG knew he had fallen way short of expectations, that he had long lost the dressing room and he expected the sack after the Norwich loss and had even accepted his fate. Somehow the board froze and gave him assurances so it's no longer on him but the lot that run our club that are clueless feckwits.
 
Our next home league game is Arsenal. Get embarassed in that fixture and the atmosphere could be chaotic. I feel like I've said that before though.

We're just going round and round in circles and not going anywhere. How the board can see any glimmer of progress is baffling. He's an utter failure and needs to take Woodward with him today!!!!!
 
Even by my usual standards, this is a disappointing Valentine's Day.

FC United, anyone?
 
POF said:
I actually don't think the uncertainty has had any impact at all. In fact, they have played better in recent weeks.

Van Gaal's United are just not very good. 18 months in and there is still no sign of finding the right balance between quality offensive play and defensive solidity.
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There is no dispute with you on that but you cannot tell me this farcical way the club has been handling the LVG situation has had no impact on the players. Either way, I stand by my point, LVG should have been gone, he's out of idea and I don't blame him for not being able to find solutions anymore because he admitted as much back in December. Fans should be furious with the spineless board. Their management style has been wholly reactive and one of "let's make a decision when we are wholly fecked in the season and out of qualified replacement options". Why, because SBC doesn't like Jose's style? I will then ask SBC what the eff is United's way these days? Settling for fecking 4th like it's the holy grail?
 
rpitchfo said:
It's been very interesting watching the subtle shift in expectations at the club - from the board to the fans. Even more interesting is how quickly it's happened.

It should be a commandment - written in stone that the BEAR minimum expectation of a United Manager is 4th - that's not a will they won't they kind of 4th - it's the kind of 4th that comes about after a title challenge slips away due to an injury crisis during the second half of a season.

LVG has been masterful at resetting and managing our expectations - he's admitted himself 4th isn't possible anymore.

A Club with the resources we have should expect a title challenge every season - that's not spoilt, that's the quality of squad our filthy lucre should be able to assemble.

It brings me absolutely no joy to scrape 4th to make up the numbers in the Champions league - if anything, limping out of the group stages makes our cataclysmic fall from power even more evident. A horrible reminder of what we once were.

LVG has to go even if he flukes 4th.
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I disagree with you. The commandment written in stone should be that we never settle for anything but winning. Sir Alex Ferguson built the club into what it is today, and made the Glazers all that money they've earned over the last ten years, by never being happy with second place.

I'm genuinely appalled that in just two and a half seasons the club and most of the supporters have fallen into the trap of settling for a top four finish. This slip in standards started under Moyes has simply continued under LVG. It really is appalling that the biggest club in the land has allowed itself to develop this inferiority complex so quickly. It wouldn't happen in Spain, Italy or Germany.
 
Feed Me said:
I'm now at a complete loss. We're so, so bad. Even our so-called good run in 2016 has been littered with crap results. LvG has been banging on about an upturn in form, yet we've buggered up against Newcastle, Southampton, Chelsea and Sunderland.

The decision-makers at the club have ruined our season by not removing him in December. We could have been in the title race if the right decision had been made.
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Yep. Nothing else to add really. Pitches have been stormed for less.
 
Feed Me said:
Two seasons out of three now we've completely wasted due to the board not making a decision quick enough. The depth of our malaise wouldn't have happened so quickly at another top club, because they'd have made the right decisions far more swiftly.

I feel completely hopeless. Even though it's clear he should go, I know the board will do nothing. Yet another season that I can't wait to finish.
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Well said. I feel the same way.
 
Until theres a visible fan protest nothing will change. The impact of a protest/boycott would be huge and the final nail in LVGs time here.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Until theres a visible fan protest nothing will change. The impact of a protest/boycott would be huge and the final nail in LVGs time here.
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We are a bit slow when it comes to those things though. Either because the matchgoers don't care or out of some strange romantic ideas
 
If he doesn't go this week, he'll go when we mathematically can't get 4th. Which is a bit ridiculous considering it's pretty much ruled out now anyway.

But as has been said already, it's been obvious all season that things weren't working. But with the way the league has gone, if we'd reacted over Christmas when we had that poor run, we could actually be in a title race right now. Instead we're going to slump to a 5th to 7th place finish and have another year without CL football. Once wasn't a disaster. Twice shouldn't be either, but we're starting to run the risk that players will look at United and think twice.

After we missed out on the CL with Moyes, we had been in it every other year for nearly 20 years. It was an anomaly. Players wouldn't see it as the norm. Miss out twice in three years and players do start to think twice. Getting Mourinho in now would have some hope of easing players fears. Miss out on CL football and Mourinho and end up going into the new season with Giggs at the helm and we can start looking at 3rd and 4th tier players.
 
He is going nowhere. He will just await getting knocked out the Europe League to confirm no CL next year, before swiftly doing one.
 
I actually think we are in danger of slipping down to 7th or even 8th as West Ham and Southampton have very similar goal difference to us and are only a point behind.

The fact that we are quite realistically ooking at 8th place as a very real possibility says it all. We have been absolutely atrocious at times this season and have struggled in every department, a change has to be made as its getting well beyond a joke now.

Teams like Leicester and Spurs are miles better than us and crap midtable fodder like West ham and Southampton are very close to surging ahead of us in the league. We are leaking goals all over the place, look mentally weak and unable to cope with anything if that dosent tell you something I don't know what does.
 
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I actually think we are in danger of slipping down to 7th or even 8th as West Ham and Southampton have very similar goal difference to us and are only a point behind.

The fact that we are quite realistically ooking at 8th place as a very real possibility says it all. We have been absolutely atrocious at times this season and have struggled in every department, a change has to be made as its getting well beyond a joke now.

Teams like Leicester and Spurs are miles better than us and crap midtable fodder like West ham and Southampton are very close to surging ahead of us in the league. We are leaking goals all over the place, look mentally weak and unable to cope with anything if that dosent tell you something I don't know what does.
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I was thinking the same. They have better organisation with lesser players, wouldn't surprise me a bit if they overtook us
 
RexHamilton said:
If he doesn't go this week, he'll go when we mathematically can't get 4th. Which is a bit ridiculous considering it's pretty much ruled out now anyway.

But as has been said already, it's been obvious all season that things weren't working. But with the way the league has gone, if we'd reacted over Christmas when we had that poor run, we could actually be in a title race right now. Instead we're going to slump to a 5th to 7th place finish and have another year without CL football. Once wasn't a disaster. Twice shouldn't be either, but we're starting to run the risk that players will look at United and think twice.

After we missed out on the CL with Moyes, we had been in it every other year for nearly 20 years. It was an anomaly. Players wouldn't see it as the norm. Miss out twice in three years and players do start to think twice. Getting Mourinho in now would have some hope of easing players fears. Miss out on CL football and Mourinho and end up going into the new season with Giggs at the helm and we can start looking at 3rd and 4th tier players.
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Good post. Exactly what I was going to write. I'm feeling more disillusioned by the club with each passing week.
 
the only thing that gives me any real hope with all this is the lack of outright denial from the decision makers. Utd have not come out to completely deny Mourinho and Mourinho is not very public in denying convincingly. Seems its a done deal but if we have missed the boat here it is really disturbing. This season has been a disaster from a long way back. Its pathetic to see an organisation of Uniteds stature in such disarray. I really believe it is now time for the matchday fans to publicly demonstrate our dissatisfaction and demands for the proper changes to be made. Giggs is a legend but should not be in charge of an organisation that needs a man with far more experience. LVG claims to be a winner and to have a plan and while neither of those two things are being provided, does not have the professional integrity to hold his hands up and say 'this isnt working' and resign. He does not have the right to continue to draw and enormous salary and serve up this dross while our club falls further and further behind. If Liverpool fans can force their board into a climbdown over ticket prices then its time for UTD fans to stand up for our own club. It should be made very clear at the next home match that we have had enough. End of.
 
Can we just get Mourinho in but keep van Gaal doing the press conferences?

"We don't have any more full-backs in this club, I have to line up a 13-year-old guy or someone like that."

:lol:
 
Sigma said:
Can we just get Mourinho in but keep van Gaal doing the press conferences?

"We don't have any more full-backs in this club, I have to line up a 13-year-old guy or someone like that."

:lol:
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He'll have Mike the Chef at FB soon, the rate they are getting injured.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Until theres a visible fan protest nothing will change. The impact of a protest/boycott would be huge and the final nail in LVGs time here.
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The board and Ed seem to have some grand plan in place which no one can readily discern. So they are proceeding to ignore legitimate concerns of the fans. So you are right, barring some major and organized display of discontent, nothing will change. A substantial portion of the blame goes to the indecisiveness of the board. They know this so there is no way they will fire LVG now because to do so would just reinforce the point that we could have gotten rid of him back in December when the season wasn't lost.
 
You'd have thought that anyone who wanted to maintain some sort of dignity would have resigned by now.

I hate the man so much for putting us through this shit and completely ignoring all issues. Deluded, arrogant, bastard.
 
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