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This him not getting the boot until we can't get top 4 is just so daft, it could take weeks yet, and the atmosphere is just going to get progressively worse as time goes on.

Then what happen if its mathematically impossible to get top 4 but we're still in the Europa (which could easily happen) do we then still stick with him until we are knocked out of this?
 
LARulz said:
Quite disappointed there hasn't actually been any news regarding this. Just a nice 'he will leave at the end of the season' announcement would be perfect
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You should know better by now that's wishful thinking. It feels like groundhog day. Here's what's happening:

1. People will speculate an announcement won't be made until the NYSE opens.
2. NYSE opens still no announcement. "teams already started preparing for the next game so might as well stick with him"
3. He has two next two games to save his job.
4. We beat Midtjylland and Shrewsbury and then get beat by Arsenal and most likely Watford.

Repeat cycle.
 
I dared to hope tonight would be the night the club would come to its senses.
 
Woodward is chilling while he is still snapping up sponsorship deals. They will only act when it is confirmed we aren't in the top 4 and then get Jose. But we have still pissed away another season of possibly trophies, but all it is is money these days. Woodward only acts when the top 4 money is compromised.
 
The fact even our Captain says top four has gone must indicate the writing is on the wall.
 
Apart from maybe saving ourselves a relatively hefty compensation package, I see no reasonable justification for him still being manager.
Every time we look like we come close to looking like we have turned the corner, it all goes to shit again.

The performance against Sunderland was so insipid. People are talking about how hard Sunderland worked, and I'm not detracting from them at all, they fully deserved the win. Did they have to work that hard though? To me, they appeared very well organised and did the basic things very well. And that is really all you need to do against this United team.

The laborious possession based game is so easy to defend against, and while Sunderland had some great performers (notably JOS), we made it relatively easy for them - easy for a team that has struggled pretty much all season.

Get Jose in ASAP - give him the rest of the season to try and salvage what he can and to give him ample time to identify the weaknesses and plan to strengthen.
 
C'est Moi Cantona said:
This him not getting the boot until we can't get top 4 is just so daft, it could take weeks yet, and the atmosphere is just going to get progressively worse as time goes on.

Then what happen if its mathematically impossible to get top 4 but we're still in the Europa (which could easily happen) do we then still stick with him until we are knocked out of this?
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In the eyes of the deluded one, its scholes fault for the depressed atmosphere
 
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Loon said:
The fact even our Captain says top four has gone must indicate the writing is on the wall.
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He probably just said that in the heat of the moment. He'll be churning out the usual keep fighting rubbish on Monday. Standards have been lowered either way and that is down to the manager.
 
horsechoker said:
To be fair Scholes seems like a miserable bastard, he probably would drag the atmosphere down in any place.
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Still find it pathetic from VG to even blame a United legend for his own terrible job. It just shows how set in his ways VG is, and probably reason why there will be no CL football
 
pauldyson1uk said:
pretty sure at the start of the season said that top 4 was the minimum acceptable, well after Sunderland lets be honest that has gone.
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Yep, which is ridiculous in itself. Instead of waiting for it to be too late we should have been doing something to salvage the season months ago.
 
should've been sacked after stoke at the absolute latest. we're just pissing the season away for nothing for christ sake.

even if we didn't win anything after appointing mourinho this season he still would have had time to adequately prepare for next season.
 
It really is amazing how badly this has been managed. The Sunderland defeat was predictable. United will not get top 4, not because they are already too far behind but, because they are not good enough to go on a run of wins that it would take to bridge the gap.

I think it is almost too late to sack him now. Could a new manager improve things? Maybe but the squad is very much geared towards LVG's style. There is currently one fit senior defender available. Rooney is the only experienced striker at the club. The only senior right back at the club has picked up what appeared a very serious injury.

Mourinho is the obvious replacement but would he really play Blind at centre back or Valencia at right back by choice? They can do a decent job in LVG's style but would struggle in a system that puts more onus on defenders being strong defensively. A new manager would have needed 1 if not 2 new defenders in January.

For all of the talk of "laying foundations", the fact it is so difficult to transition from LVG to another manager shows what utter nonsense that is.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
pretty sure at the start of the season said that top 4 was the minimum acceptable, well after Sunderland lets be honest that has gone.
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This is almost certainly true and is even worse cause it shows how our standards have fallen. It's not about glory, it's just about maximizing profit.
 
I just don't see the financial argument for not sacking him.

Let's assume that LvG is on £5m a year. Sacking him in December would have cost the club £7.5m, given he had a year and a half left on his contract. Every league position is worth £1.23m in prize money from the PL. Reaching the group stage of the Europa League awards €2.4m while reaching the group stage of the Champions League awards an automatic €12m. Assuming that we're going to get fifth under LvG, hiring another manager who would take us into fourth spot would a) net us £1.23m + €9.6m (£7.3m) = £8.53m, and b) give us a manager that we could give time to assess the squad ahead of the transfer window.

At this rate, it's more likely that we'll drop below fifth than reach fourth under LvG, so the financial gain could be even bigger. Of course, the new manager's going to be on a high wage as well, but that could be offset by any success further than that, for example reaching the latter stages of the CL, and getting €1.5m for every group stage win in the process of progressing through the group

http://www.totalsportek.com/football/premier-league-prize-money-table-2015/ PL prize money
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/uefa-champions-league-prize-money/ CL prize money
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/europa-league-prize-money/ EL prize money
 
I am watching his post match conference, he said Europa Cup is easier than ge
POF said:
It really is amazing how badly this has been managed. The Sunderland defeat was predictable. United will not get top 4, not because they are already too far behind but, because they are not good enough to go on a run of wins that it would take to bridge the gap.

I think it is almost too late to sack him now. Could a new manager improve things? Maybe but the squad is very much geared towards LVG's style. There is currently one fit senior defender available. Rooney is the only experienced striker at the club. The only senior right back at the club has picked up what appeared a very serious injury.

Mourinho is the obvious replacement but would he really play Blind at centre back or Valencia at right back by choice? They can do a decent job in LVG's style but would struggle in a system that puts more onus on defenders being strong defensively. A new manager would have needed 1 if not 2 new defenders in January.

For all of the talk of "laying foundations", the fact it is so difficult to transition from LVG to another manager shows what utter nonsense that is.
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I don't blame LVG anymore. From the way he talked last night post match, just like any of the interviews he gave after those soul crushing losses in December, really reflected his implied admission that he has done all he can and can only plow on without any real clue as to knowing how to right the ship. The blame and the anger really should have been directed at Ed and the board a long time ago. There is really no discernible pattern or indication where the management is going with this trainwreck of a season. Maybe they are doing a lot of work behind the scenes (nothing justifies that assumption) but this damning silence is not doing anyone any favours. The players are clearly affected by the uncertainty. Either back LVG or get him the eff out.
 
The Sunderland defeat was predictable.
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I didn't even watch the game, as it was inevitable that all this hopeless & relegation-haunted Sunderland team needed to do was make an effort...and that alone would be enough for them to beat us. After this latest stellar result, Ed should send LVG an empty bottle.
 
Gross incompetence.

Technically we have a squad that might be great one day. They are mostly under 25 and are being bloodied into arguably the hardest league in football. But LVG hasn't built wisely. Hernandez was sold leaving few strike options and no goal-hanger to change our play or pressure defences. Evra was a huge loss but so has been the failure to find an alternative CB to play alongside Smalling. The spine is flaky and the players are lightweights in almost every sense.

We spend £250 million and end up making do. We sold proven players for peanuts without first finding proper replacements and having them in place. Our squad has become a clique of favoured players who, apart from the odd example, have had a torrid season. I don't believe this was the plan, if ever there was a plan. This horror show began when Depay was given the coveted 7 shirt and the failure to attract top players. It's no coincidence that AFTER the AdM debacle the discussion over top players turned to young untried players.

Consequence - we're in the second week of February and LVG has thrown the towel in, not over winning the league but the 4th spot! Everyone is clinging to the FA Cup and Europa but the bigger issue of 4th is gross incompetence magnified by crazy flights of fantasies. But, we can't be relegated which makes this a great time to begin the rebuild with months to spare and making a real statement of intent.
 
Bojan11 said:
SAF shouldn't have a say in who the manager is. He appointed Moyes. He wanted O'Neil to replace him back in 2001 when he originally was going to retire. No doubt he'd go for Giggs this tie.!

We need to get a DOF in. But before that we need to hire the only world class manager available which is Jose Mourinho.
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If we get Jose then I don't think we'd need a DOF at all.

I can imagine him being a different kind of animal if handed the opportunity to have full reign over all transfers - something I believe he hasn't had at his other clubs.
 
Called it "title winning form since the New Year" just a few days back. :lol:

Someone put this miserable bastard out of his fecking misery.
 
Why is Jose not here yet? He'd actually stand a chance at winning the Europa League if we got him in now.

Could have got him in December and given him the option of bringing some reinforcements in too, then been right in the mix for top four. But nahh, that would make too much sense.
 
Esquire said:
I am watching his post match conference, he said Europa Cup is easier than ge


I don't blame LVG anymore. From the way he talked last night post match, just like any of the interviews he gave after those soul crushing losses in December, really reflected his implied admission that he has done all he can and can only plow on without any real clue as to knowing how to right the ship. The blame and the anger really should have been directed at Ed and the board a long time ago. There is really no discernible pattern or indication where the management is going with this trainwreck of a season. Maybe they are doing a lot of work behind the scenes (nothing justifies that assumption) but this damning silence is not doing anyone any favours. The players are clearly affected by the uncertainty. Either back LVG or get him the eff out.
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I actually don't think the uncertainty has had any impact at all. In fact, they have played better in recent weeks.

Van Gaal's United are just not very good. 18 months in and there is still no sign of finding the right balance between quality offensive play and defensive solidity.
 
hobbers said:
Why is Jose not here yet? He'd actually stand a chance at winning the Europa League if we got him in now.

Could have got him in December and given him the option of bringing some reinforcements in too, then been right in the mix for top four. But nahh, that would make too much sense.
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The longer we wait, the less chance there is for anyone to come in and change things around. Anyway, the season is already lost, imho. There is no hope now. The little hope we had for top 4 was lost yesterday and we aren't winning a cup.

Though, still, the wise thing will be to get Jose now and let him start prepping for next season. Getting him in the summer will mean another period of assessing the squad.
 
Insanity said:
Called it "title winning form since the New Year" just a few days back. :lol:

Someone put this miserable bastard out of his fecking misery.
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Van Gaal isnt in misery, the fans are.

He even said it himself that he isnt under any pressure.

As for the fans, I feel that accepting that Van Gaal will remain in the job until the Summer regardless of results will help reduce some of that misery.
 
Anustart89 said:
I just don't see the financial argument for not sacking him.

Let's assume that LvG is on £5m a year. Sacking him in December would have cost the club £7.5m, given he had a year and a half left on his contract. Every league position is worth £1.23m in prize money from the PL. Reaching the group stage of the Europa League awards €2.4m while reaching the group stage of the Champions League awards an automatic €12m. Assuming that we're going to get fifth under LvG, hiring another manager who would take us into fourth spot would a) net us £1.23m + €9.6m (£7.3m) = £8.53m, and b) give us a manager that we could give time to assess the squad ahead of the transfer window.

At this rate, it's more likely that we'll drop below fifth than reach fourth under LvG, so the financial gain could be even bigger. Of course, the new manager's going to be on a high wage as well, but that could be offset by any success further than that, for example reaching the latter stages of the CL, and getting €1.5m for every group stage win in the process of progressing through the group

http://www.totalsportek.com/football/premier-league-prize-money-table-2015/ PL prize money
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/uefa-champions-league-prize-money/ CL prize money
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/europa-league-prize-money/ EL prize money
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Exactly what I've been saying! With Moyes it made sense because he had a six-year contract. LVG's contract is up at the end of next season- his severance can't be that high to begin with.
 
In hindsight, the transfers have not made significant difference to the strength of the squad.

The only players capable of achieving first XI status:
Shaw : Improvement on the declining Evra (who should have been kept for leadership)
Martial : Improvement on all the strikers and left sided forwards we've had in ages
Big money well spent on them.

The players who are back-up at best:
Herrera & Schneiderlin : Improvement on Cleverly, Anderson & Fletcher but disappointment for the price paid
Memphis : Have we been fooled? Is he better than the inconsistent Nani?
Blind : Has done remarkably well but I'd be surprised if he remains first choice next season
Rojo : Well, an improvement on Evans when fit, fitness-wise the same
Darmian : RB has been a problem since 2008 and still continues
Schweinsteiger : Is he really past it? Can't make my mind up
Valdes : Will be the best back-up, if he stays

The players who made no sense:
Di Maria : I believe this was all Ed
Romero : Was he necessary? Was free so lets give this a pass

Mata and Fellaini have been no better as well. Woodward's equally responsible for poor squad management.

After all the money spent, we've managed to replace the back-ups and along with De Gea and Smalling only Shaw and Martial seems to be real improvements to first XI. Lets hope that Pereira, Mensah, CBJ, Wilson, Keane, Januzaj and Memphis are able to step up for next season. Another big turnover can't be healthy for the club.

P.S. Stop making stupid tactical decisions.
 
LVG and his captain Rooney are a match made in hell and are representative of the last three seasons post Fergie including this one. They represent the lowering of standards.

On the part of the manager, it's "a process", and we must accept that performances won't "click" till they do at some unspecified time in the future. It's "championship form" though we've won only 17/25.

The captain? He's become so undisputedly shit that if he strings a few passes together and shows "effort", it's a great performance and praise worthy of the Second Coming. Never mind that he's got the worst first touch of any player in the EPL or hasn't scored consistently for a long time now, or matched the quality of counterpart strikers like Ageuro and Kane and Vardy.

Him, Rooney and Woodward need to take a hike.
 
Boycott worked for liverpool fans, should our match going fans try it too ?:nervous:
 
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