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Gatti33 said:
I think this could be a good thing. The CEO of Adidas has already come out and said this is not what they signed up to and I think a lot of sponsors will have the same views. I have no doubt that Woodward is having to explain to sponsors why he miss-sold them a brand and what incentive he could give them to stay. As things stands anyone with a brain will tell you we will have no CL football next year, these sponsor meetings will quickly get more difficult and awkward for him so he’ll have to act. After all his only strength so far has been his sponsor pulling power, if that dries up then no doubt his position will become as useful as a chocolate teapot.
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He said just the opposite actually. He's extremely satisfied with the sponsorship so far.
 
Gatti33 said:
I think this could be a good thing. The CEO of Adidas has already come out and said this is not what they signed up to and I think a lot of sponsors will have the same views. I have no doubt that Woodward is having to explain to sponsors why he miss-sold them a brand and what incentive he could give them to stay. As things stands anyone with a brain will tell you we will have no CL football next year, these sponsor meetings will quickly get more difficult and awkward for him so he’ll have to act. After all his only strength so far has been his sponsor pulling power, if that dries up then no doubt his position will become as useful as a chocolate teapot.
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I dont know much about the ins and outs of these kinds of contracts but there is no question of Woodward having missold anything, there are no guarantees in sport and Adidas will know that perfectly well. I would assume, but it is only an educated guess, that a sponsor can terminate a contract on the basis of the kind of criminal or corruption-based situation like the one in athletics. But being a bit shit isnt the same thing at all, that would surely not provide the grounds for a sponsor to terminate a contract. Especially as we already know about a clause that says their payments are reduced (not terminated) if we fail to get into the CL two seasons in a row (or something like that, I forget the precise details).

So while I can imagine sponsors being hugely disappointed, pissed off even, I dont think it would be a question of Woodward having to bribe them to stay. Yes he'll want to keep them sweet, especially some of the shorter term contracts (unlike the Adidas one) that may not be renewed if we dont sort things out soon. But I cant imagine things are as precarious on that front as you are making out.
 
I think we'll lose to Stoke, and he'll be on the brink, only to draw against Chelsea to save his job, again...
 
Adisa said:
Ofcourse they are considering it. I'm willing to put my house on LVG not being our manager at the start of next season. The only reason I think he's still there is Woodward doesn't want Mourinho or Giggs even on an interim basis. However, journos say Giggs doesn't want that either and whoever Woodward wants isn't available now.
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I meant considering sacking him in the next week or two.
 
JPRouve said:
I think they hired someone but he doesn't have Bolingbroke jobs description, I don't know if you looked at Bolingbroke's when he was still here, but now it's divided between Reigle's and Arnold's, and Arnorld's is supposed to have Woodward's old job.
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Bolingbroke was the Chief Operating Officer. Not sure exactly what his job description was but at most large companies the COO is responsible for all revenue-generating operations. I'd imagine sponsorships would be a large part of that.
 
dwd said:
Why wouldn't he be? They've sold shit tons of Adidas merch thanks to us. They don't care about the football as long as the fans keep handing the money over to them.
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Agreed. I want LVG out as much as the next guy, but the way everyone's been spinning the quote from the Adidas chief is laughable.
 
Adebesi said:
I dont know much about the ins and outs of these kinds of contracts but there is no question of Woodward having missold anything, there are no guarantees in sport and Adidas will know that perfectly well. I would assume, but it is only an educated guess, that a sponsor can terminate a contract on the basis of the kind of criminal or corruption-based situation like the one in athletics. But being a bit shit isnt the same thing at all, that would surely not provide the grounds for a sponsor to terminate a contract. Especially as we already know about a clause that says their payments are reduced (not terminated) if we fail to get into the CL two seasons in a row (or something like that, I forget the precise details).

So while I can imagine sponsors being hugely disappointed, pissed off even, I dont think it would be a question of Woodward having to bribe them to stay. Yes he'll want to keep them sweet, especially some of the shorter term contracts (unlike the Adidas one) that may not be renewed if we dont sort things out soon. But I cant imagine things are as precarious on that front as you are making out.
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You're right, I doubt they could just terminate a contract. There maybe a fine/get out fee involved if they do. However, I read somewhere that we lose x-amount of money from adidas if we don't qualify for the CL. Not sure if that was just for the first season of their deal or whole duration of the deal. I imagine there maybe similar clauses in other deals. Either way, I doubt United are as lucrative as they were when he took over and we are rapidly declining on that front.
 
dwd said:
Why wouldn't he be? They've sold shit tons of Adidas merch thanks to us. They don't care about the football as long as the fans keep handing the money over to them.
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It's long term sponsorship though, and if United keep playing shit boring with shit results then next batch of kids will be buying more of other teams jersey's as they get attached there.

THere are some performance clauses in the contract too.
 
The most stupid thing about all this shit; LvG will eventually resign or get fired, but then it will be all to late and people saw this coming months ago.
 
The one thing you all need to do is learn not to believe anything you read.
 
I'm starting to see the funny side of this. Nearly past the point of really caring what happens to him
 
FromTheBench said:
It's long term sponsorship though, and if United keep playing shit boring with shit results then next batch of kids will be buying more of other teams jersey's as they get attached there.

THere are some performance clauses in the contract too.
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Agree but as things stand they are chuffed to bits. They've broken records.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Bolingbroke was the Chief Operating Officer. Not sure exactly what his job description was but at most large companies the COO is responsible for all revenue-generating operations. I'd imagine sponsorships would be a large part of that.
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He was in charge of ticketing, merchandising, Old Trafford and Human resources. I recall that the Sponsorships were under Arnold and Woodward but I could be wrong. Bolingbroke was also the only director with Gill based in Manchester, iirc.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Shouldn't a commercial manager be dealing with sponsors? Our club is in crisis and we are buttering up sponsors. We could do with another defender, we have a shortage there, deal with that.
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This is what is really starting to piss me off. We've got a serious problem on the pitch and the man at the top is trying to get us a new official interactive whiteboard or spandex suit sponsor.
 
dwd said:
That would be Rojo who is injured, or Blind who is having to play CB because we only have Jones, who is also injured.
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There were 2 other people who replied to my message but I can't find them.

Remember that he was attempting to sell Rojo and there was no talk of an incoming. He had already decided to play Blind as a CB so Jones was essentially cover (who we all know is injury prone) for him. This is also after selling Jonny Evans btw

Essentially he has messed up, made sales with covering his back (same instance up front as well).
 
pocco said:
Are there any rumours in the deepest, darkest corners of Red Issue as to what is going on behind the scenes? I just need a glimmer of hope that something may be happening, one way or another :lol:
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It's been almost 3 days since the Southampton defeat, he's here to stay till the Stoke match i'm afraid.
 
It's odd that we don't seem to realise that firing managers too quickly is not the only signifier of a club being run badly.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Agreed. I want LVG out as much as the next guy, but the way everyone's been spinning the quote from the Adidas chief is laughable.
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No spin needed. They may be happy with the revenue but there's also the (largely secondary) matter of brand association and the fact he even commented on our performances showed in that regard they aren't completely happy.
 
We're still in the cup and not out of sight for top 4 so I am not surprised. We'll just have to watch our shit brand of football for a while longer. Eventually, it will get to a point where the board has no choice but to make a change. This really puts into perspective how much of a factor Sir Alex was as a manager for United.

Looking forward to Friday and how we respond on the pitch.
 
peridigm said:
Looking forward to Friday and how we respond on the pitch.
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Given how we played against Sheffield United and Middlesbrough this season and Yeovil, Cambridge and MK Dons last season I wouldn't get your hopes up.
 
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