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Do you want LVG sacked?

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JoaquinJoaquin said:
I never said you weren't, however I wouldn't label you 'pathetic' for your opinion, Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether they are a 'paying fan' or not.
I find it funny that you have just been promoted yet are calling people already.
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Calling people? What does when I was promoted have to do with anything?

Look, you can label me however you like. Personally I think booing the team is pathetic and I wouldn't do it myself. Many United fans would agree with me... you don't which is fine. My take it on it would echo the sentiments I heard in a recent Roy Keane interview. If the team etc. aren't giving 100% then maybe they might deserve it. If they are trying their best and the match doesn't go their way and they don't perform... so be it. They're just human - give them a break.
 
JoaquinJoaquin said:
I never said you weren't, however I wouldn't label you 'pathetic' for your opinion, Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether they are a 'paying fan' or not.
I find it funny that you have just been promoted yet are calling people already.
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You've hardly been here for ages.

He isn't labelling anyone pathetic for their opinion. Rather for booing the manger of the football team they apparently support. You'd be surprised at how many people find booing your team/manager/players pathetic.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
You've hardly been here for ages.

He isn't labelling anyone pathetic for their opinion. Rather for booing the manger of the football team they apparently support. You'd be surprised at how many people find booing your team/manager/players pathetic.
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I'm a match going fan and I choose not to boo; I didn't under Moyes and I won't under this one, but there are plenty that do. I wouldn't feel it's necessarily my place to upbraid them for doing so, and I think, like someone mentioned earlier, that if there's a feeling that performances aren't acceptable from players & manager alike then as a paying fan it's valid to do so. I think it's a tad sanctimonious to suggest to others exactly how they should respond to a given scenario, particularly if there's reason enough behind it. I appreciate that you've not said anything of the sort, but I just feel that people should be free to express their discontent without opprobrium.
One thing under Moyes I did find odd was that some fans ( certainly not the majority ) would make a conspicuous show of applauding him off the pitch, and then when he'd gone down the tunnel call him all the names under the sun. I appreciate that they were showing solidarity, which is fair enough, but to then slag him off with no small measure of vitriol, came across to me as deeply disingenuous, and made them seem even more supercilious & smug than those know-it-all's who were calling for his head before a ball was kicked.
 
R'hllor said:
Do you even know why they bringing him back? LvG wanted him to go on loan in some English club,where he would have higher chance to play,Januzaj decided to go to Dortmund like a boss. Now we asking him back due them not giving him proper chance or him not earning the same.
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My point is that he should never have been sent out on loan to any team in any league. He's already scored in pre-season in America, Van Gaal said he could play upfront & then he sends him out on loan when we were heading into the season with only 2 out-and-out strikers. One of which is a kid and the other of which looks like he ate a kid.
 
I now believe that the decision to part with LVG at the end of the season was made months ago before the downturn in results, if it's true that we made a move for Ancelotti. That and the chatter around Pep and Simeone confirms that we are quietly looking for a top manager to come in after LVG and that there is stiff resistance, from Woody and his principals, to Giggs' ascension to the throne.
 
iKeano said:
My point is that he should never have been sent out on loan to any team in any league. He's already scored in pre-season in America, Van Gaal said he could play upfront & then he sends him out on loan when we were heading into the season with only 2 out-and-out strikers. One of which is a kid and the other of which looks like he ate a kid.
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JoaquinJoaquin said:
Pathetic? People have the right to act however they want, and LVG has deserved most if the abuse he has got. Doesn't make you anymore of a top fan because you have blind faith, you know that right?
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I don't think anyone ever really deserves abuse unless they are a tory.

Anyway booing isn't a good look, ZupZup is right. Thankfully most of our fans don't do it. Nothing wrong with a good old banner plane though
 
His comments in the press have made me angry again. Saying we always play attacking football, i think he needs his head checked. One win and we are back to this. He really is infuriating person. I cant imagine how training for him will make you happy.
 
His comments after the Swansea game were worrying. He was saying that we were very open and he seemed uncomfortable with it. Even though, we weren't that attacking altogether. LVG just seems like he cannot allow free flowing football.
 
Silverman said:
His comments after the Swansea game were worrying. He was saying that we were very open and he seemed uncomfortable with it. Even though, we weren't that attacking altogether. LVG just seems like he cannot allow free flowing football.
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we were very open or did you not think so? at times we had 1 single defender
 
Silverman said:
His comments after the Swansea game were worrying. He was saying that we were very open and he seemed uncomfortable with it. Even though, we weren't that attacking altogether. LVG just seems like he cannot allow free flowing football.
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I really wonder what would have happened had we not capitulated against Leicester last season. He seems terrified now and we're primarily focused on limiting our opponents. That's fine if you can counter well and grind out wins but not when we're so ineffective at the other end.
 
Riz said:
I really wonder what would have happened had we not capitulated against Leicester last season. He seems terrified now and we're primarily focused on limiting our opponents. That's fine if you can counter well and grind out wins but not when we're so ineffective at the other end.
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yeah that game changed his outlook on the premier league unfortunately
 
Silverman said:
His comments after the Swansea game were worrying. He was saying that we were very open and he seemed uncomfortable with it. Even though, we weren't that attacking altogether. LVG just seems like he cannot allow free flowing football.
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The problem is not that he cannot allow free flowing football. It's that with this team and at this time he cannot coach a team to produce free flowing football. Pushing everyone forward playing recklessly has nothing to do with free flowing football.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
we were very open or did you not think so? at times we had 1 single defender
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We couldn't have argued with a draw, I don't think we were the better team, a few inches away from a humiliating 2-2 draw with a goal keeper scoring ..he still needs to go or be willing to abandon the principles he's developed as he's gotten older.
 
Perhaps the players aren't overly blaming each other as they know it's the manager holding the team back.

I try to give him some leniency due to his English being awful but I do find it frustrating when he describes getting the players to think for themselves all the time as if that's something only he does.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I thought he was always in favour of cameraderie in the dressing room. It doesn't take much to have turmoil in a dressing room and for factions to form. He should be careful of what he wishes for.
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He is but what's he's saying is when players make mistakes it's still friendly. You can be friends and criticize when it's just.
 
He does say that it's normally a good thing up to a certain height. Nothing wrong with expecting accountability for poor performances. Let's not pretend everything is LVGs fault.

On the other hand, are Chelsea's training ground disagreements really helping their performances?
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I thought he was always in favour of cameraderie in the dressing room. It doesn't take much to have turmoil in a dressing room and for factions to form. He should be careful of what he wishes for.
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Dont thing he is advocating for cliques, but rather he is saying that the squad doesnt really hold each other accountable when someone underperforms. In essence, that leads to standards dropping.

I have always wondered about that too, especially with regards to Rooney. I wondered whether any of his teammates ever held him accountable for his poor perfomances. For their constant praises of him this season and this from Van Gaal, i doubt that very much. It's probably lavish praises for him after every short within 5m off the target.

With the way we play sometimes(Stoke for example), you could see that no one held the other accountable, and it was just another flat perfomance from them all.
 
Riz said:
I really wonder what would have happened had we not capitulated against Leicester last season.
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IMO that LCFC game was the turning point.
Up to that point, he allowed an all out attacking brand of football (just as he promised when he first arrived).
Remember Di Maria? He was basically allowed to do what he wanted to and I think we scored 7 goals in 2 games (these days we need about 10 games to score 7 goals).

Perhaps if Jamie Vardy had not existed, we would've gone on a totally different path.
 
Feck it, I say keep him till the end of the season. I'm starting to think he can turn it around, not win the league but finish top three and improve us for next season.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
we were very open or did you not think so? at times we had 1 single defender
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This is true, but we needed to score a goal.
If we hadn't played with risk, we'd probably have ended up with a 1-1 scoreline (which nobody, including LVG wanted).
 
sunama said:
This is true, but we needed to score a goal.
If we hadn't played with risk, we'd probably have ended up with a 1-1 scoreline (which nobody, including LVG wanted).
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I agree, I'm just saying why criticize lvg for saying we looked open when it's true? We wanted a riskier style and he gave us a ridiculously risky style. The players need a bit more flair but we didn't look like we were playing very safe as we have i the past at least
 
Drifter said:
Louis van Gaal wonders if Manchester United dressing room is too friendly

http://www.theguardian.com/football...r-united-too-friendly-fa-cup-sheffield-united

Thought that was always a good thing.
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Just more LVG speak, buzzwords guaranteed to attract gullible journalists who fall for it every time. Interesting array of words since Boxing Day: resign (Stoke), balance (Chelsea), attack (Swansea), and friendliness (Sheffield) - all generated loads of copy and all equally bollox.
 
sunama said:
IMO that LCFC game was the turning point.
Up to that point, he allowed an all out attacking brand of football (just as he promised when he first arrived).
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Mmm... I bit of a myth this one I think.

Up until then we had only won one game all season (against a dire QPR at home)

If anything, the Leicester game was only perhaps the first instance under LVG where we'd gone with a fairly attacking line up (the midfield diamond) and completely capitulated (might have done this against QPR - can't remember for certain, but the first few games were 3 at the back and fairly dire).

Perhaps LVG did learn a big lesson against Leicester but I don't think it was necessarily a bad one - to not underestimate any team in the Premier League.
 
sunama said:
IMO that LCFC game was the turning point.
Up to that point, he allowed an all out attacking brand of football (just as he promised when he first arrived).
Remember Di Maria? He was basically allowed to do what he wanted to and I think we scored 7 goals in 2 games (these days we need about 10 games to score 7 goals).

Perhaps if Jamie Vardy had not existed, we would've gone on a totally different path.
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Or if Clattenburg had been assigned a different match that weekend :mad:
 
That Leicester game was the wake up call for the club, the fans and the media. It showed that aspect of the English game that foreign managers have the most difficulty with, after lots of possession and goals our opponents simply refused to surrender. The more they battled the more we retreated. By the time Blackett was exposed alone we had become a second rate side full of galaticos. LVG looked like a slapped arse when he faced the press. After that game systems, players and philosophies were in constant flux - the famous 5-3-2 was dropped, Rooney became midfielder, plan f for MF, and the first signs of the dull football that has become LVG's trademark to name but a few. There was evidence that it was coming in the previous games and the US tour was a joke with players flung into the squad then discarded once back in England and then last minute major buys in positions we really didn't need. That first season was a costly learning curve, this has yet to pan out but this far I really don't see any improvement except drawing with Leicester and finally beating Swansea.
 
K2K said:
Dont thing he is advocating for cliques, but rather he is saying that the squad doesnt really hold each other accountable when someone underperforms. In essence, that leads to standards dropping.

I have always wondered about that too, especially with regards to Rooney. I wondered whether any of his teammates ever held him accountable for his poor perfomances. For their constant praises of him this season and this from Van Gaal, i doubt that very much. It's probably lavish praises for him after every short within 5m off the target.

With the way we play sometimes(Stoke for example), you could see that no one held the other accountable, and it was just another flat perfomance from them all.
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Yep, that's exactly what he's alluding to. Someone like Vidic or Keane would be laying into team-mates I reckon after shit performances. Nothing wrong with that as long as one doesn't go overboard.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
Just more LVG speak, buzzwords guaranteed to attract gullible journalists who fall for it every time. Interesting array of words since Boxing Day: resign (Stoke), balance (Chelsea), attack (Swansea), and friendliness (Sheffield) - all generated loads of copy and all equally bollox.
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This. Ive said all along he hides behind his pseudo-English, throws buzzwords at media so they write what they want, gives him get-out clauses week in week out.
I'm long past bored of his "every game is difficult to win" jibberish that Moyes was hung for.

He's a conman & I fully expect to see the same stagnant, boring, lacklustre brand of 'football' this evening. If we don't win he'll talk about possession and 'pushing' luck. If we win he'like put it down to his tactical genius.

Keyser Söze said the greatest trick the devil evil pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. I long for the day any link between this Dutch charlatan and Man Utd no longer exist.
 
Louis van Gaal has spoken to MUTV and revealed the latest update player fitness. "Phil Jones is injured and a lot of players are in the red zone," said the boss, in reference to some other Reds not being completely at full fitness.
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And with just 3 days before the important game in PL, he plays pretty much all our best and most featured players against Sheffield. Incredible really.

I don't like van Gaal, but I seriously cannot understand him even when I want to see positives, he is really not helping himself with his decisions.
 
Amar__ said:
And with just 3 days before the important game in PL, he plays pretty much all our best and most featured players against Sheffield. Incredible really.

I don't like van Gaal, but I seriously cannot understand him even when I want to see positives, he is really not helping himself with his decisions.
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that makes no sense. How is a game vs Newcastle an "important" game?
 
prath92 said:
that makes no sense. How is a game vs Newcastle an "important" game?
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I meant tough, but you can say important too because we are struggling to keep in top4 and every game is important.
 
LVG knows if he loses here, then his day could be done. Reason for such a strong team.
 
Amar__ said:
I meant tough, but you can say important too because we are struggling to keep in top4 and every game is important.
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Even if we lose the next game we can still salvage Top 4. Lose this game and we are out of anther competition, This game is way more important than the Newcastle game
 
Silverman said:
LVG knows if he loses here, then his day could be done. Reason for such a strong team.
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I'm not sure, if he was going to be sacked it would've happened 3 or 4 weeks ago. I think the club will stick with him to the end of this season regardless
 
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