It's OK for him having turned United into a business and going to all the matches but a lot of lads can't get tickets and away tickets are gold dust. I looked at the article without the pics and it's structured to be club favourable. All weasel words and silly remarks. An article like that will curry favour with the club, maybe earn some tickets or goodies. Because it's a fan source making the statement the club can appear to have clean hands. Like I said before, not smitten with Mitten.
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It's OK for him having turned United into a business and going to all the matches but a lot of lads can't get tickets and away tickets are gold dust. I looked at the article without the pics and it's structured to be club favourable. All weasel words and silly remarks. An article like that will curry favour with the club, maybe earn some tickets or goodies. Because it's a fan source making the statement the club can appear to have clean hands. Like I said before, not smitten with Mitten.
Em isn't it the match goers who buy UWS? I don't think he's panning online fans in that article at all, there is a clear difference between the twitterati and match goers.
Different times though wasn't it? TV money talks now.
I've been going back and forward with this. I'm leaning more towards keeping him a little bit longer. Mostly by default really, as I don't want either of Mourinho or Giggs taking over, and they seem to be the only two we could actually go for at this moment in time.
He has acknowledged we need more pace on the wings. So I want to see what he does during this transfer window. Granted he's had three windows to identify our weaknesses but with his neck on the line he simply has to buy more quality in the attacking department in the January window.
He has acknowledged we need more pace on the wings. So I want to see what he does during this transfer window. Granted he's had three windows to identify our weaknesses but with his neck on the line he simply has to buy more quality in the attacking department in the January window.
It's not the case. Fans who want him gone would still support the team at the match because to do otherwise would undermine the players confidence. It doesn't mean that the match going fans are happy with this Sh#t it just means that they are prepared to support the players no matter how bad the results get.
If the match going fans have to turn into Real fans to let the board know what they should know by watching the matches then the club has fallen into a sorry state of affairs.
He has a reasonable online subscription and he figures in all the forums at some point. He's not keen on the online community because it killed the fanzine business. Back in the day if he saw you buy RI but not UWS he would give you a copy. As toilet paper goes, UWS is pretty smooth.
I think the majority of match goers are going in hope rather than expectation these days. And there is definitely a sense of pride in sticking with the team through this crap; particularly when we've all been labelled glory hunters for years.
Lol thankfully I've never used it for that, I'll stick with Andrex. I've heard him on the radio a lot lately and he is very critical of 'fans' on Twitter. He does have a point...
That's what I'm saying. I've had a few so it might not get across properly but the match going fans should not have to turn on the team for the board to see that things are not good enough.
I get the impression that Mitten is a bit like Pete Boyle in the fact that he cares more about the atmosphere and the perception of fans rather than the results. He's not really worth listening to.
He's a Luddite, as his article reveals but there is no excuse for categorising fans. As to Twatter, I don't us it but it seems pretty stupid to alienate a large segment of fans when your core business is in serious decline.
There absolutely no reason to persist with LVG any longer, should be sacked straight away, we`ve seen his football and tactics, has not changes since day one, has no plan B, apart from lumping the ball to Fellaini and making Smalling a striker, and Phillipe Jhones take corners. Every team knows how to play against us.
And in contrast to what some people say that our players are not finishing chances, we create virtually nothing , most of the chances we get are half chances, or the best ones come from Martial once he beats his man on the wing. Pretty sad our most creative player in the final third is a 19 year old
Each match he stays, the lower were going down, we cant go another season without CL, and this sham usually has 1 good season at clubs where he had world class players, then second/third season max he takes clubs out of top 4
Last year was the highest finish he will ever achieve at United, how hes going now, hes very very lucky the other teams have had so many brainfarts, along with Chelsea being the worst defending champions in PL history, on a normal season we`d end up 8th or at best 7th, at the rate were going this season
And in contrast to what some people say that our players are not finishing chances, we create virtually nothing , most of the chances we get are half chances, or the best ones come from Martial once he beats his man on the wing. Pretty sad our most creative player in the final third is a 19 year old
Each match he stays, the lower were going down, we cant go another season without CL, and this sham usually has 1 good season at clubs where he had world class players, then second/third season max he takes clubs out of top 4
Last year was the highest finish he will ever achieve at United, how hes going now, hes very very lucky the other teams have had so many brainfarts, along with Chelsea being the worst defending champions in PL history, on a normal season we`d end up 8th or at best 7th, at the rate were going this season
Boyle is stuck in the age of Cantona and has preserved that memory in the songs from the Bishops. Mitten's UWS rag is also stuck in the 90s as the height of the fanzine movement. UWS spouts 90s culture in its words and style. It's all a bit dinosaur-ish.
Life has moved on. The genre of fan-tv like 'Full Time Devils' has a better handle on fan opinion. It's direct from the match and fairly hard-hitting. I don't always agree with Adam and the boys but they generate lively debate from regular fans at matches. They have brought together the fans at matches with the online traffic in a dynamic symbiotic relationship. Their recent fan interviews at home and away matches exposes Mitten's article as tosh.
They certainly would and always have done, going back to the dark days of 1974. Mitten's in full spin mode here and his contempt for those who don't attend is pretty obvious; maybe that's the club's view too, or certain people there. Mitten sells himself as an authority on the club, going so far as to write a book about what United was like in the 70s. He wasn't even there and takes anecdotal evidence as gospel and writes as if he was. I've got no time for him.
Have you read any of his stuff about the 70s. He wasn't even there but you'd be forgiven for thinking he was.
Well said M.
I knew Kirk wrote about the 70s I didn't know Mitten had joined in. Maybe we should write a book with Salford and Gerrydaly! His 25 years of Cantona in a 2012 edition of UWS was pretty tepid and it's very noticeable, now you mention it, that it's orientated toward attending fans and the jollies of away games.
I actually do not like his writing or his opinions, and UWS is bog paper, so I don't trawl his work.
He will be given the money in January and I think all of us have to accept the fact that, even with this horrific run and tremendous fan discontent, his neck is NOT on the line. Ed clearly does not want to sack him.
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More of a farce more than anything else. I don't understand why the club doesn't come out with an express backing if they don't want to sack him.
Difference not with the 'owners' (or people in charge of said clubs). Who's left Chelski or RMadrid in a dignified way?
I don't buy it.
Salford city sacked manager phill power after winning 1 in 5,They have the owners who represent the "united way", While we havent sacked LVG even after no wins in 8. I have stayed away from football once i realized he wasnt getting sacked after Chelsea. This is Incompetence of highest order.
Anything new on the Kim Jong Gaal front?
If we win the next 10 games 3-0, it won't change the hearts of some. A section of the fans and press are hell bent in seeing the back of him.
Louis van Gaal offered way out of Manchester United by Holland head coach
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/l...-exit-route-by-the-dutch-national-team-times/
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/l...-exit-route-by-the-dutch-national-team-times/
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nah not really.
it's more like paying EA for their games, DLC, and microtransactions even though you know they're ripping you off with them.
The solution is quite simple:
Ancelotti until the end of the season, he then goes to Munich and Pep comes to United.
Job done, everybody's happy.
lol
Ancelotti until the end of the season, he then goes to Munich and Pep comes to United.
Job done, everybody's happy.
lol
What about all the online subscriptions?
Nah, I've been following his articles and he's made the same snide point time and again, drawing a distinction between match goers and non-match goers.
He's conveniently forgetting all the boos and dissent heard at OT this season.
I don't agree with Andy's article at all - unusually for him, I think he's mis-read the current opinion of the fans. That said, some of the stick he's getting here is way over the top. Yes disagree but I don't see any need for some of the comments against him. He's a good lad and a proper Utd man.
That point has been made to him by many following the release of the article.
The stick is totally understandable. He has, very snidely, put non-match goers down.
As you say, he's totally misread the situation - match goers at OT have aired their grievances time and again this season.
Yes, thankfully. Anyone who appoints Mourinho can begin planning for his successor as soon as he's appointed, because you know he's going to get bored after 2 seasons.Thankfully the most successful manager in the world right now will never manage us?
Good, because it's an astonishing omission that undermines the entire premise of his article.
Essentially, a fecktonne of United fans, both match going and non-match going, are peeved with the direction the club is heading in at the moment.
If you read Mitten's articles from match to match, he's as fair weather as the average fan.
As opposed to us having to fire a manager after ten months because he's woefully inadequate.
Bored? Really?
He said time and time again how he wanted to stay at Chekski for years, if possible.
He works in the toughest of environments for a manager (Chelski, Madrid and Inter), few others would even survive let alone thrive!
This job would be so much easier in some ways and less 'pressure' in terms of the stupidity that comes from the other clubs.
I genuinely think Jose Mourinho would florish here.
Sitting on the fence is precarious - don't want to fall off having made some rash statement, then where would they be?
I reckon with today's media, saying nothing is a way of expressing support for the manager!
Well, it's strange he's never manager to stay anywhere for more than 3 years. Get back to me when he does and I'll re-evaluate.
We didn't hire Moyes knowing we'd have to fire him after 10 months.
How many top quality managers stay anywhere more than 3 seasons apart from the obvious exceptions? Hardly any. People are living in the past.
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