Genuinely surprised he's still there. Maybe Swansea will beat United for the fourth game in a row and finish it off this weekend.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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I don't think the club has intentions of sacking him.
I believe they would have done it by now.
Another poster said it, but it is looking like the club want Giggs to succeed LVG and don't want to sack LVG to have Giggs come in now. They're hoping LVG turns it around and Giggs' transition is more smooth.
I cannot believe how much we are dicking around with the managerial post.
They also missed the champions league once in that period, which for Bayern in the bundelsiga is a shame. They had the freedom to fire managers because they had the insurance policy of Heynckes stepping in interim which we don't.
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There is a bigger story but have you read Jim White's MU: The Biography. He gives a brief survey of what happened. Fergie was asked by the counter bid to walkout on the club and that would kill the Glazer bid. He didn't, later explaining his responsibilities etc. The counter was by Nomura, they withdrew their bid and then the Irish folded. In the event of a future sale, Fergie's role might once again come under serious scrutiny.
To all the teams out there winning all over Europe, how the hell are you doing that without LvG "rebuilding" your team?
Not having a built-in interim isn't an excuse for keeping a dud when there are managers out there, including one top drawer manager who is free.
And guess who was in charge to create the mess that led to them missing the CL. You also cannot claim that the team was poor because they had won the Bundesliga and reached the CL finals, although fortuitously, the previous season.
Magath and Hitzfeld?
After 19 games, Utd are in 6th position with 30 points.
LVG has tried but there is not much difference between him and Moyes especially after so much money has been spent.
Just imagine what Mourinho can do...
LVG has tried but there is not much difference between him and Moyes especially after so much money has been spent.
Just imagine what Mourinho can do...
He's free because he got sacked for doing worse. All I'm saying is I'd rather not make a change than make the wrong change.
Look at that Chelsea team today, it wasn't him making them terrible, they are weak, their two star players are mentally soft and their main striker is a time bomb. He'd be a far less wrong choice than keeping LvG or appointing Giggs.
sound familiar? This time his motives will be an early retirement rather than working with a backstabber and the shadow of Fergie.
I think even LVG is in shock that he hasn't been sacked yet.
It is strange how some fans have lowered their expectations to such a point where they deem losses/draws and being unable to score a goal, as acceptable.
After 16 games this season he took the champions to 16th with 15 points, less goals scored than us and more than double the number of goals conceded
What? LVG had them in fifth position when he was fired and Bayern somehow salvaged something from that season. Which could be very difficult for us seeing that we have more teams competing for the top 4 spots than BM had at that time.
Yeah I was talking about 2007 which was when they overturned most of their squad and started rebuilding.
After 16 games this season he took the champions to 16th with 15 points, less goals scored than us and more than double the number of goals conceded
Everyone knows JM going back to Chelski was a wrong move in his career. Short term only. I was so glad when he got the sack... he is just destined for United.
How many titles has Mourinho?
That's ok. After their rebuilding LVG still managed to almost damage their season completely. That is the point I was referring to.
For some of us older supporters, we know deep down in our hearts the club is no more. The statues of Best, Law and Charlton...Fergie and the stand named after him is just to fool us supporters (customers to them) that we are a family club steeped in tradition. I believe the Glazers are stringging Fergie along too. They do not want waves which a solid manager like Mourinho will make wanting to win things. Fergie and Charlton will be the patsies when this all goes belly up in terms of football. Sure Charlton did not want Mourinho. But do we really believe that was the reason he was not appointed after Fergie? It was convenient for the Glazers. Moyes was 'safe' They did not expect him to be so incompetent. I'm now even more certain they are going to sell their 'business'. History is repeating itself with van Gaal. step in Fergie and his protege Giggs. rather than a real manager.
It was not delusional to expect us to be at least 1 or 2 after Fergie left. A team that won with points to spare. It is not delusional after all the money we have spent to be competing for the title. We still can if Morinho took over. But I suspect the owners don't want this.
I don't understand United's desperation for Giggs to be their manager. If it happens, it'll happen. He'd be much more rounded as a manager if he went out and experienced football at other clubs and managed other clubs.
Btw, I'm not pinpoiting you as pro Giggs, just and observation on the topic.
Cheers mate. I will look into this.
Ed Woodward (EW): So Louis, we drew with Chelsea.
LVG: Yes. We dominated but were unlucky not to score. We need to buy more players
EW: We gave you £200M+
LVG:That was not enough.
EW: Not enough to beat Norwich? We lost to them as well.
LVG: Okay. Give me another £200M. I will buy Messi and Neymar and then I will try and beat Norwich.
LVG: Yes. We dominated but were unlucky not to score. We need to buy more players
EW: We gave you £200M+
LVG:That was not enough.
EW: Not enough to beat Norwich? We lost to them as well.
LVG: Okay. Give me another £200M. I will buy Messi and Neymar and then I will try and beat Norwich.
The way I see it is because Utd dont want Giggs to become a failure here. They want him to be long term. But he is not ready. Now is the worst time for him to take over even as a care taker because if he cant do anything in next 19 matches, no one will want him as a permanent manager in near future.
Woodward has still not finalized a good enough replacement and hence wants LvG to continue.
Woodward has still not finalized a good enough replacement and hence wants LvG to continue.
By "owners" do you mean the Glazers? Hard to see that they'd be bothered by the method so long as it was successful.
It's the people who are close to the club that make these decisions, imo.
I think he should go too, but talk about absurd overreactions. A manager not being sacked half way through a season where we're 6th and 4 points off 4th, isn't the "greatest farce EVA!!". Everyone's turned into a bunch of children here.
Besides, for all you know, we're actually sorting out a replacement before we sack him anyway.
Actually, if we don't sack him now I don't see him leaving before it becomes mathematically impossible for us to get in the top 4. I would never want that so might as well get behind him and hope he can turn it around.
We all have to hope he turns it around either way. Irrespective of what his future is in the short and long term, United needs to win matches. We're 5 points behind Spurs and if our poor form continues we could actually be out of the race of top 4 soon.
I cant believe i'm saying this but the it seems like the club is keeping him! I was disheartened a little when fans at OT chanted his name that was unnecessary imo it gives him false belief that fans are behind him. I think it should be clear that the majority now want him out, we have not won a game in over a month FFS!!
I'm in absolutely no doubt they're keeping him. Sacking him would damage both the "brand image" and Woodward's credibility. It has nothing to do with football.
A lot of people at this club need to resign not just LVG.
It's not a very strong stance, given we're 5 points behind 4th place and in abysmal form compared to Spurs. If we continue slipping away 4th place is over, and "brand image" and Woody's credibility takes a far bigger hit. I'd find it surprising if he's just decided already that LVG is our man despite us potentially being stuck in another mire for the next 18 months with no CL football.
I would still believe Woodward is trying to get a good manager and not waiting for LvG to improve.
I don't know what they said but to be fair we did play better. Of course there are arguments that we were playing a weak Chelski and we actually could have conceded a couple of goals but it's not inaccurate to say we were slicing them apart especially in the first 30 minutes and we could have been a couple of goals up by then.
I am not defending LVG as I am firming in believing he's taken us af far as he can and needs to go. That said, that was a much better performance than many expected, myself included as I thought we were going to lose again after that disgraceful capitulation against Stoke.
Football is only secondary to those who run the club. As long as the money keeps rolling in from sponsorship and merchandising, performance on the field is of no account.
That thinking shows two things: (i) that, for whatever reason we don't know about, they honestly still trust LVG and (ii) the board is completely inflexible and dogmatic in their thinking. You have to wonder whether the board really holds any power or is it simply a one man show i.e., Ed carrying out the whims of the Glazers.
It is completely astonishing that a draw against a very poor Chelski at OT can save a floundering manager's job.
If that were the case, we wouldn't have spent so much post-sir alex. I'm more inclined to believe that our decision makers are somewhat lacking.
What you are saying is essentially United is simply a much richer version of Newcastle and the Glazers are Ashley. As long as the club makes a proft who gives a feck. I do see merits in what you are saying (assuming I understood you correctly), that is truly depressing.
You have to understand where the Glazers are coming from. They have been in the sports franchise business in the US for a long time now and this is indeed how they operate. Their NFL team, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are pretty much operated on the same model. This year they've done well but in prior years they have been competitive but never in the elite. Once can say the PL is now resembling the NFL in that given the mass amount of money flowing back to the clubs, a greater level of parity has been created and as long as a team is competitive, the profits will keep rolling in because it is the biggest game in town. My point is that the Glazers do not need to get United back to being truly dominant to make money. As long as we are competitive and have executives who do not rock the boat and thus damaging the "brand", the valuation of United will keep going up and, as you say, one day the Glazers will cash in. In some way, having a Russian billionare or a sheikh (who are not interested in pure profit making) owning the football club would have suited our long term aims much better.
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