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There is an article in times which cant be posted here as it is paid saying Mata and herrera have let it be known if LVG stays they will leave.

Lol. So Mata wants to leave if Lvg stays and he will be asked to leave if Mourinho comes. Poor guy. Probably rubbish article though.
 
Apparently all the Spanish speaking players have had enough.
If Mata and Herrera go, then DDG will as well. Then we will be well and truly in the shit. Players at other clubs will be watching all this closely. It will likely mean no spanish speakers will want to come here and tbh no big name players. Who the hell will now want to play for us. Not real quality that is for sure. The club are going to have to think very carefully about his. Bale and Co. will not want to play for LvG.
 
Lol. So Mata wants to leave if Lvg stays and he will be asked to leave if Mourinho comes. Poor guy. Probably rubbish article though.
Juan is in a really awkward position. I have the impression that LvG doesn't have many friends in that squad. How long before he even manages to piss of Blind and Memphis?
 
Juan is in a really awkward position. I have the impression that LvG doesn't have many friends in that squad. How long before he even manages to piss of Blind and Memphis?
I wouldn't be too upset to see Mata leave, as sad as it sounds. I feel he's flattered to deceive. If Mourinho comes in then his days will be well and truly numbered.
 
It's not 'absolutely nothing' despite how many times you may state it. Giggs is an unknown quantity therefore a bigger risk. That's a fact.

Exactly.

But again, that's just opinion. Some people are making absolute assertions about what would happen if he were appointed manager, on the basis of absolutely nothing.

Which goes both ways, at least the people who don't want Giggs as manager have something to go on , the fact that he's been assisting the last two managers and nobody knows what he does apart from presentations and he has no experience as a manager, people that want him are just basing it on the fact he was one of our best ever players which is ridiculous.
 
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Which goes both ways, at least the people who don't want Giggs as manager have something to go on , the fact that he's been assisting the last two managers and nobody knows what he does apart from presentations and he has no experience as a manager, people that want him are just basing it on the fact he was one of our best ever players which is ridiculous.
If Giggs is doing presentations, they must be bloody awful. He should go as well.
 
Juan is in a really awkward position. I have the impression that LvG doesn't have many friends in that squad. How long before he even manages to piss of Blind and Memphis?
Fecking hell. The manager has to be friends with the whole squad now? That's the benchmark? You must have hated SAF.
 
Jose back to Madrid wouldn't shock me - as we've seen repeatedly with players, Real Madrid are immune from any kind of consequences from their circus-like activities, still everyone flocks to the mighty and beautiful Real. They can do no wrong in the eyes of the professionals.

His time there is likely his greatest failure, which he will want to put right. Plus I think the general idea of him wanting to manage United is grossly over-stated - Sir Alex apparently spoke to him about it in 2013 but he went to Chelsea instead knowing what they were like. Also I'm sure he'd love replacing Rafa and doing something with them in the Champions League this season, whereas he is genuinely friendly with LVG so probably wouldn't want to he seen going after his job. And with Ronaldo being in Paris by the summer, he won't have to deal with as many of his old enemies there, so he would be free to make new enemies this time round. Nothing surprising about this connection at all.

I think he would return to Real if we don't offer for him (stupid, stupid decision if we don't), But the problem for him is that Barcelona are so good it will be very hard for him to topple that, Especially when players like Ronaldo most likely wouldn't be there for him.

Mendes seems like he is starting to put a bit of pressure on us by mentioning Real Madrid, and there is only so long that he and Jose will wait for us. We are not the same attractive job we were when Fergie went if we are being honest.

The people who want Giggs as manager actually don't seem to understand that once he drags us down even further we are actually done as a top club in world football. People think it will just be ok and we won't go the Liverpool route but we are in SERIOUS danger of it happening to us. A sympathy appointment in Giggs would ensure that happens ASAP.
 
Fecking hell. The manager has to be friends with the whole squad now? That's the benchmark? You must have hated SAF.
Of course not, of course some of his squad might have had issues, but they respected him. I am beginning to think they players just think LvG is too inflexible and it is what is contributing to his downfall.
 
Even if all on of those on the board believed in his suitability, it doesn't follow that he's going to come running. Bearing in mind Mourinho's recent difficulties at Chelsea, he might not want to walk into such a precarious situation.

If the club wishes to maintain some form of United link on the caching staff why not ask Queiroz if he wants to return for another stint? At the very least, he could be the sort of experienced football figure that Giggs would trust and listen to if appointed as interim. This needn't be a singular job hunt.
 
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I think he would return to Real if we don't offer for him (stupid, stupid decision if we don't), But the problem for him is that Barcelona are so good it will be very hard for him to topple that, Especially when players like Ronaldo most likely wouldn't be there for him.

Mendes seems like he is starting to put a bit of pressure on us by mentioning Real Madrid, and there is only so long that he and Jose will wait for us. We are not the same attractive job we were when Fergie went if we are being honest.

The people who want Giggs as manager actually don't seem to understand that once he drags us down even further we are actually done as a top club in world football. People think it will just be ok and we won't go the Liverpool route but we are in SERIOUS danger of it happening to us. A sympathy appointment in Giggs would ensure that happens ASAP.

I don't think some people realise that we make money from sponsorship because we are successful. If we drop to mid table then as you say, we will get sponsors but not for the same amount of money as now. That will lead to a big cut in tranfer budget, so not able to sign the big name players. It will be a viscious circle.
 
I think he would return to Real if we don't offer for him (stupid, stupid decision if we don't), But the problem for him is that Barcelona are so good it will be very hard for him to topple that, Especially when players like Ronaldo most likely wouldn't be there for him.

Mendes seems like he is starting to put a bit of pressure on us by mentioning Real Madrid, and there is only so long that he and Jose will wait for us. We are not the same attractive job we were when Fergie went if we are being honest.

The people who want Giggs as manager actually don't seem to understand that once he drags us down even further we are actually done as a top club in world football. People think it will just be ok and we won't go the Liverpool route but we are in SERIOUS danger of it happening to us. A sympathy appointment in Giggs would ensure that happens ASAP.

Once another club takes over as the biggest in the country, getting back on top is difficult. History doesn't attract players, its what they can achieve and finances.

With the money in English football, most clubs can offer the finances.

But trying to convince the people wanting him is a futile exercise, and I believe the club itself could likely go that route. We are a fantastic club, but the people largely responsible for getting us there are all gone. To actually be better than our rivals in future and retain our competitive advantage, we need to make good decisions now. The reason we are able to attract such significant deals is the brand that has been built up before. Every brand, even Cocacola for example needs to be constantly maintained.

For that very reason, I expect Giggs to become our manager within the next 5 years. I thought the decision to hire Moyes was an awful one at the time considering the criteria required. I dont think the criteria has changed that much since then. But the decision-makers remain the same, and a similar decision will not be beyond them imo.
 
We can afford one, maybe two more mistakes before we find ourselves walking down the Liverpool road. This is shocking, everyone was laughing and scoffing at giddy, what we thought as delusional suggestions from rival fans going on about "once Ferguson steps down..."...

Well we are so far following their prediction to the inch. Not long before we keep discussing on this forum how "this year is OUR year
 
Mendes leak to put pressure on Woodward knowing the English press are all over LVG right now. Also reasserts the status of his client. Win win for him.





Mourinho to Real Madrid, and we'll have Cristiano back, thank you very much. You know you want to go back to Madrid, Jose.
 
There is an article in times which cant be posted here as it is paid saying Mata and herrera have let it be known if LVG stays they will leave.

I'm not sure if I believe that.
No employee, unless extremely serious, would say something so provocative.
"Either you fire the manager or you fire me". If I was the boss, I'd get rid of the people who making that threat. No employee should ever determine, that another employee (who is actually their superior) be fired.

And I know that Mata is very diplomatic in what he says - he isn't the sort to mouth off like that.
 
You would hope a big game will fire them up.

When was the last time we saw our team fired up?
I think it was against Watford, when we scored the late goal?
Generally speaking, our players don't show passion, tempo or urgency - they just turn up and coast through the 90 minutes. If we win, great. If we lose, no bother.
 
Can't see Moureen going back to madrid if I'm honest.
 
I'm not sure if I believe that.
No employee, unless extremely serious, would say something so provocative.
"Either you fire the manager or you fire me". If I was the boss, I'd get rid of the people who making that threat. No employee should ever determine, that another employee (who is actually their superior) be fired.

And I know that Mata is very diplomatic in what he says - he isn't the sort to mouth off like that.
I am doubtful about the article. The papers are picking on who they think are the most unsettled to make a story. They are making a story out of their opinion not facts. If it were true I would be worried as I think no matter who we sign this situation would arise over and over again with this manager.
 
When was the last time we saw our team fired up?
I think it was against Watford, when we scored the late goal?
Generally speaking, our players don't show passion, tempo or urgency - they just turn up and coast through the 90 minutes. If we win, great. If we lose, no bother.
Yet last season against City, Liverpool, Spurs in that run they were. As has been said before he hit on a formula by accident and then god help us ripped it up. I blame LvG for all this.
 
I think if this doesn't get sorted one way or another today, its the last proof needed (if any more is needed) that the club do not give a flying toss about what the fans think. They know that a large proportion of us are disolusioned, they know that there is a better option than LVG available for a limited time, and they know that the longer it goes on without being resolved, the worse things will get. They also have an arseload of money to sort the situation out.
 
Mendes leak to put pressure on Woodward knowing the English press are all over LVG right now. Also reasserts the status of his client. Win win for him.





That makes literally no sense whatsoever.

Perez wants to bring Mourinho back. But some of the players don't like him, so he hopes threatening his return will make them perform better... so, what, he then won't come back if they improve?

It's nonsense.
 
I think if this doesn't get sorted one way or another today, its the last proof needed (if any more is needed) that the club do not give a flying toss about what the fans think. They know that a large proportion of us are disolusioned, they know that there is a better option than LVG available for a limited time, and they know that the longer it goes on without being resolved, the worse things will get. They also have an arseload of money to sort the situation out.

A small majority of the fans do not want that option here, according to the poll on here which is all we have to go by, and the board rightly do not see it in the simple way the fans do. They're very happy with Van Gaal's work at various levels of the club; the youth team adopting his strategy will provide us with more technically-sound players in the future. They also know that with more investment in January, performances and results could completely turn around.

What they don't want to do is panic and bring in Jose Mourinho just because he's available and we're in a slump. What makes you think those at our club who didn't want him before want him now? There's a clamour on here for him, but I'd be willing to say that most United fans do not want his antics, disregard for youth, and crap football at our club.
 
That makes literally no sense whatsoever.

Perez wants to bring Mourinho back. But some of the players don't like him, so he hopes threatening his return will make them perform better... so, what, he then won't come back if they improve?

It's nonsense.

The ones who are currently not behind FSW
 
That makes literally no sense whatsoever.

Perez wants to bring Mourinho back. But some of the players don't like him, so he hopes threatening his return will make them perform better... so, what, he then won't come back if they improve?

It's nonsense.
Of course it is. This leek all of a sudden is very convenient isn't it? I think Moureen and his agent are pressuring United.
 
There is an article in times which cant be posted here as it is paid saying Mata and herrera have let it be known if LVG stays they will leave.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if they had told their agents that, and said representative could very well be making such known to those in the media. Under the right manager Herrera could be an asset to the club for some years to come; Moyes continued presence affected the future choices of players in a similar fashion.
 
That makes literally no sense whatsoever.

Perez wants to bring Mourinho back. But some of the players don't like him, so he hopes threatening his return will make them perform better... so, what, he then won't come back if they improve?

It's nonsense.
Balague is able to twist any situation into positive PR for Real Madrid.
 
The Press Conference this afternoon (3:30pm) will be very interesting.

Will Louis come in all smiles and banter with a glass of wine, as is traditional for his pre-Christmas one?

Or will it be a dark foreboding affair with icy stares at any question he considers disrespectful?
 
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