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LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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If we sack LVG and Giggs is the new manager:
Oh ok so like this guy then?
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Eurgh, the mirror, that's even worse.
quick question, why are you doing this?
If we sack LVG and Giggs is the new manager:
Doing what?
Why is Phil Jones on the board? Fair play I suppose for the greatest player in our history.
Getting tired of all this longevity/dynasty building nonsense. we got lucky with SAF. That's all. Look around at any serious manager United could go for. Who has been at a club for 7,10 years? It doesn't happen. All these guys do a job over 3-4 years and move on. The modern manager is a different beast in a different environment. Even Klopp moved on when it went sour in Germany. It's the way of it. We should get real and stop focusing on this desire to have Giggs or someone who will stay forever. I don't need to like Jose to know he is a top manager and will probably win us trophies. SAF was not a likable character for most outside United.
we need to get over ourselves and this notion of moral superiority. If we were that worried bout our employees behavior we'd never have hired Cantona. And Roy Keane would have been out on his ear early doors. It's about United, and results and being the best. Get Jose in soon and get us back on top. Then he can leave in 3 years. Louis had no qualms bout dumping people who didn't do his bidding. He's accountable too. The football is unwatchable shite and the results are terrible. No sentiment. Time to go.
we need to get over ourselves and this notion of moral superiority. If we were that worried bout our employees behavior we'd never have hired Cantona. And Roy Keane would have been out on his ear early doors. It's about United, and results and being the best. Get Jose in soon and get us back on top. Then he can leave in 3 years. Louis had no qualms bout dumping people who didn't do his bidding. He's accountable too. The football is unwatchable shite and the results are terrible. No sentiment. Time to go.
Because its Phil jones' face.
You realize that Arsenal, Barca and Real all have long traditions as well and their more rosy eyed fans also think they are special and unique, just like RAWK.
His CV is just a head shot, isn't it?
Why Giggs though? Why not Gary, Scholes, Beckham or Quinton Fortune? All of them have the same amount of managerial experience.
Yeah it's a running joke on here that we always win the possession.
There is no such thing as United way. It's nonsense.
But they are.
Imagine what Mourinho could do at Barca with MSN, after Enrique leaves. He'd never go though, because the fans think they're special and unique, just like RAWK.
Maybe we should scrap the General Forum because RAWK has one too. Send Niall a PM about it.
Giggs would keep the same training regimes that have been working and bring in replacements for the ones that have fallen flat. There'll be a continuity in terms of presence but, happily, a huge shift in terms of style.
It really isn't nonsense. It's to do with the principles of the club. Attacking football, giving youth players a chance, etc.
And you know that how? From his managerial history?
If LvG goes, Giggs should follow him. Prove himself somewhere else. He won't be our Pep, but he might be our Enrique.
There's a huge leap between not wanting Mourinho and appointing Giggs. Huge.
There's a huge leap between not wanting Mourinho and appointing Giggs. Huge.
Well, Barca are special because they created a successful system that outlasts managers. Arsenal are special because they have the same manager for nearly 20 years and that gives them a continuity, even though it's not been as successful as in the past.
We were special because we had Ferguson. If we want to be special in the future, and not just another big club, we have to find our niche.
We were special because we had Ferguson. If we want to be special in the future, and not just another big club, we have to find our niche.
If we sack LVG and Giggs is the new manager:
I literally couldn't breath after watching this.
Because that's what he's been groomed to do and what LvG has stated he's been impressed that Giggs has learnt.
We went through a lot of styles under Ferguson, he experimented. There is no distinct way of playing which is why youth teams do not employ the same tactics as senior side. We don't have it deeply rooted from the basic level like Barca do and it's not a bad thing.
Almost all big clubs are attackin by definition, all big clubs have academies.
We have our traditions but United way is wrong way of describing what they are about.
The cult of Giggs continues.
I reckon we should make Nicky Butt the manager. He's still at the club, why wouldn't he be able to keep the same regimes and bring in replacements? Or how about Hoek, or maybe Albert Stuivernberg?
Thinking about it, we should have just replaced Moyes with Steve Round. He would have seen everything Moyes did wrong and improve on it.
I reckon we should make Nicky Butt the manager. He's still at the club, why wouldn't he be able to keep the same regimes and bring in replacements? Or how about Hoek, or maybe Albert Stuivernberg?
Thinking about it, we should have just replaced Moyes with Steve Round. He would have seen everything Moyes did wrong and improve on it.
What happened with Guardiola is quite unique. It is not something that is going to happen very often. The way he did such a fantastic job under a lot of pressure at a massive club like Barcelona so early in his career and with so little experience is incredible. He is an exception to the rule though. More often than not, such an appointment would fail. That said, he did a great job with Barcelona B and got them promoted. So not only did he have more experience as a manager than Giggs when he took over Barcelona, but he had also achieved more as a manager before he took the job. I am not saying that Giggs would do a bad job if he was made United manager (because I do not know how he would do, and neither does anyone on this forum), but giving the job to someone with no experience as a manager is not a risk United should be taking at this moment IMO. Moyes set the club back enough. The last thing it needs is something similar happening again.
The irony. You're a child. The United you speak of doesn't exist. Join us in the real world any feckin time you like.
Some of the finest companies in the world always recruit from within and most often based only on potential and not prior experience for the role.
I worked for Unilever PLC for 11 years in the marketing department, regarded as one of the top 3 marketing departments in the world. I was promoted 5 times and on each occasion did not possess practical experience for the role I was promoted into, yet performed with distinction every time .... Because like you say I was always being groomed for additional responsibilities. There were/ are countless more examples like me in many other organisations.
The anti Giggs stance that he will not succeed as Manchester United manager right now is flawed. He has every chance of succeeding as as much chance as appointing an experienced pro like Moyes or LVG.
Given Mourinho's availability, I'd want the club to go for him, I'm a fan and I like him. But i'd be equally delighted if Giggs was appointed and think he has as much chance of succeeding as any of the other names being mentioned because of all the 'grooming' reasons already mentioned many times before.
United go through after extra-time
2-1
2-1
Does Woody need to go with LvG?
They are all special and unique. All the A list teams are. The thing is that what makes them special changes from club to club.
Yes. Well, he at least needs to be replaced on the football operations side of the club.
Huh? Are we playing today?!
You want the same success as Arsenal have had in the last 10 years?
As for Barca, their success is the Messi era.
Going by your logic we could have replaced Fergie with any of Archie Knox, Brian Kidd, Steve Mclaren, Jimmy Ryan, Walter Smith, Carlos Quiroz or Mike Phelan, right?
If anything, a fair few of those are far more qualified to succeed as a manager then Giggs is at this stage.
Under 18's Youth Cup.
Youth Cup.
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