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Taking out the romantic delusion, there isnt a good reason to hire Giggs. Especially with our rivals getting genuinely world class managers.

The fact that he might be bettter than the guy he replaced doesnt equate to him being good enough. Van Gaal was better than Moyes after all.

Lets stop with this suicidal decisions , we are in trouble enough without having to make another one.

in the last 40 years, not a single United player has gone on to be a good enough manager such that he would fit the criteria of being United manager. Sir Bobby, Hughes, Ole, Bruce..you name it, a little realism goes a long way.
 
Triple.Threat said:
We have nine wins in 23 league games dating back to last season's home win against City.
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Number of wins over last 23 league games by team:
Manchester City - 16 (in 22 games)
Leicester City - 15
Arsenal - 12 (in 22 games)
Crystal Palace - 11
Tottenham Hotspur - 10
Manchester United - 9
Stoke City - 9
Chelsea - 8
Everton - 8
Watford - 8 (in 17 games)
West Bromwich Albion - 8
Liverpool - 7
West Ham United - 7
Southampton - 6
Swansea City - 6
Bournemouth - 5 (in 17 games)
Newcastle United - 5
Sunderland - 5
Norwich City - 4 (in 17 games)
Aston Villa - 3

Leicester's form has been absolutely incredible going back to end of last season (4 wins in last 6 games of 2014/15).
 
Jev said:
What's up with the hate for Giggs? For all we know this could mean we will go for Guardiola in the summer. That would be a much better scenario than Mourinho taking over now. This team just needs some new energy first and foremost, they need someone who'll free the shackles on them. It's limited what Mourinho could do to the team mid-season anyway.
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I'd only accept it if we already have sealed the Pep-deal. Rejecting Mou just for a chance of maybe signing Pep in the summer would be painfully naive.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
You may well be right, but the dynamics of the boardroom in a football club usual entails everyone being an expert for 20 minutes. If Woodward proposes something and everyone agrees but it turns out to be crap you will find all those who agreed will ensure he takes the fall. That really is the problem in football, as with so many businesses - the good and the bad get their 20 minutes and it can have devastating consequences.
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My problem is a very simple one: I don't trust Woody, who has zero credentials as a football man, as a decision maker in football matters. Per now the actual boardroom of Manchester United - the business - consists of a load of people who are good with numbers, marketing and media. And then there's Fergie and Sir Bobby (and Gill) in these vague non-exec director roles. I trust the latter trio over Woody, needless to say, but there are question marks over how progressive their thinking is.

I'm just worried about the state of the club, really. There isn't a great deal to indicate that we - the club as such - know what the hell we're doing at the moment.
 
Adisa said:
The only reason I can see us appointing Giggs on an interim basis is if Pep Guardiola has said he's coming at the end of the season. Mourinho is available now, otherwise it's a bonkers decision.
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I can see us doing it even without a final answer from Pep. Then going through months of trying to convince, only to be told in May that he's chosen City.

Just like the Ramos thing where we didnt have any alternative.
 
That info does put the run into some perspective but 6th best is never good enough for United.


Damien said:
Number of wins over last 23 league games by team:
Manchester City - 16 (in 22 games)
Leicester City - 15
Arsenal - 12 (in 22 games)
Crystal Palace - 11
Tottenham Hotspur - 10
Manchester United - 9
Stoke City - 9
Chelsea - 8
Everton - 8
Watford - 8 (in 17 games)
West Bromwich Albion - 8
Liverpool - 7
West Ham United - 7
Southampton - 6
Swansea City - 6
Bournemouth - 5 (in 17 games)
Newcastle United - 5
Sunderland - 5
Norwich City - 4 (in 17 games)
Aston Villa - 3

Leicester's form has been absolutely incredible going back to end of last season (4 wins in last 6 games of 2014/15).
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Adisa said:
The only reason I can see us appointing Giggs on an interim basis is if Pep Guardiola has said he's coming at the end of the season. Mourinho is available now, otherwise it's a bonkers decision.
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Yeh Giggs as caretaker is fine. Under all other circumstances it would be a completely mad and senseless decision.
 
Drifter said:
Still feel there is no benefit in sacking him now. End of the season politely part ways and put Giggs in charge for the new season.
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I've seen you voice your support for Giggs getting the job a few times and I'm wondering what your reaasoning for it? Genuinely curious because for me the potential risks outweigh the potential romantacism of him succeeding.
 
Jev said:
I'm not, I don't want Giggs as a permanent option but if it's between Giggs now and Pep in the summer or Mourinho from now on, I would prefer the former. And regardless of what happens in the future, I would certainly rather have one of the club's biggest legends managing the team for the remainder of the season than an arrogant, clueless Dutchman. It literally can't get any worse.
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It can get worse imo, alot worse. We need CL to gaurentee Pep. Giggs is just as clueless Imo what has he done to show otherwise ? He's been an assistant through both regimes yet has avoided any criticism for their failures because he's a legend. It's that type of idolisation that clouds thinking and rational decisions.

I'd love giggs here but I'd want to see him actually manage a club first, maybe even the reserve team. I also think the league is at its most competitive and that this is the worst time to throw giggs into the deep end.

Sad Chris said:
I'd only accept it if we already have sealed the Pep-deal. Rejecting Mou just for a chance of maybe signing Pep in the summer would be painfully naive.
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exactly this,

Bayern made contact with ancelotti, no time wasted and no huge risk to bear. That is the bets approach.
 
Judas said:
Does anyone think we're getting positive results in our next two games? I don't. I doubt the higher ups at the club feel much different either, why would they.
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66% at Stoke and 63% against Chelsea. Easy. We had 71% against Norwich.
 




If "jan" is right then edward woodward needs to be Relieved from his duties with a bat up his arse. I hope its mou.
 
K2K said:
I can see us doing it even without a final answer from Pep. Then going through months of trying to convince, only to be told in May that he's chosen City.

Just like the Ramos thing where we didnt have any alternative.
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Looks like Pep has made his decision. So what you suggest there shouldn't happen.

Unless we've played a blinder contrary to all rumours and reports, and secured Pep, the alternatives should be these:

1. Giggs

2. Giggs as caretaker with us looking at alternatives until a new man (possibly the same Giggs) is appointed after the season.

3. José.

...and, I suppose: 4. LVG stays on.
 
I don't know why I allow myself to get stressed out by these reports, maybe because part of me knows they might actually be accurate.

All over twitter I can see opposition fans jumping for joy at the thought of giggs, it is such a weird time to be a UTD fan.
 
Ladyman was the first to reveal the Sacking of Moyes, looks like he has called this one too.
 
Chesterlestreet said:
My problem is a very simple one: I don't trust Woody, who has zero credentials as a football man, as a decision maker in football matters. Per now the actual boardroom of Manchester United - the business - consists of a load of people who are good with numbers, marketing and media. And then there's Fergie and Sir Bobby (and Gill) in these vague non-exec director roles. I trust the latter trio over Woody, needless to say, but there are question marks over how progressive their thinking is.

I'm just worried about the state of the club, really. There isn't a great deal to indicate that we - the club as such - know what the hell we're doing at the moment.
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That's the problem. Everyone gets 20 minutes even non-execs but decisions are made by the full board. I have written elsewhere this needs to change. My preference is for the Bayern style of management and directorships but the Glazers represent a hurdle to such 'enlightened' ideas as their concepts are drawn from 1990s management culture.

I believe a board of football reporting to the main board may be a good way forward with people like Fergie as chairman and a rep from the players such as the team captain. There are other options but I do feel it is time to separate the money from the footy.

As to people knowing what they are doing - anywhere - it's highly speculative to assume anybody has ever known from one day to the next at OT. Football is day to day and hand to mouth, common sense and planning are most discussed but rarely applied.
 
Giggs would be such a massive risk, we've been burned twice by managers in 3 years and now they would just chuck in one with no actual experience? Not buying it.
 
Only way sacking Van Gaal and installing Giggs is justified is if it's on an interim basis because we've convinced Guardiola to join at the end of the season.
 
Question234 said:
It can get worse imo, alot worse. We need CL to gaurentee Pep. Giggs is just as clueless Imo what has he done to show otherwise ? He's been an assistant through both regimes yet has avoided any criticism for their failures because he's a legend. It's that type of idolisation that clouds thinking and rational decisions.
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Well, he's hardly escaped criticism, evident by this thread where people have collectively decided that he would be a disaster.

No, Giggs hasn't shown himself to be worthy of the job. But unlike LVG, he hasn't shown himself to be not worthy, either.

I literally do not think it's possible to get this group of players performing worse than they currently are and I see no reason to think that LVG would get us into the CL spots.
 
Leg-End said:
Giggs would be such a massive risk, we've been burned twice by managers in 3 years and now they would just chuck in one with no actual experience? Not buying it.
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Exactly. Getting in Mourinho may not be much of a long-term plan if you go by his history. At the same time, if we go by his history then he will deliver us a title within two years, which we are desperate for. We can't afford to go backwards yet again, or we really will be looking at the prospect of being 'another Liverpool'.
 
From Ladyan's article-
After Saturday’s defeat, defender Phil Jones attempted to say the right things.

‘The players in there aren’t hiding behind anyone,’ he said. ‘We know full well we have to take responsibility. The manager is doing all he can and is doing a terrific job.

‘It’s not even questionable in the dressing room. The lads are absolutely fully focused on performing well for the manager, the fans, ourselves.’

The stark truth, however, is rather different. United’s Carrington training centre is awash with rumours. There is, for example, talk of clandestine player meetings in a bid to change the team tactics.

These remain unverified but what is known is that United’s senior players are tired of their manager — described by one as ‘the weirdest bloke I have ever known’ — while others, in particular the club’s Spanish contingent, are convinced he needs to be replaced.
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So mata, herrera hate him, The bloke guy has to be english. This will end, this week or next. He is gone
 
Mourinho is a risk too, isn't he? Where is he mentally at this moment? He looked like a man who was completely losing the plot at Chelsea. Think he needs a good sabbatical to clear his head.
 
Jev said:
Mourinho is a risk too, isn't he? Where is he mentally at this moment? He looked like a man who was completely losing the plot at Chelsea. Think he needs a good sabbatical to clear his head.
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Chelsea are a weird club that sort of operate in their own little bubble, I wouldn't judge any manager that ends up walking away from a mess there.
 
Giggs would restore the traditional football but that's the only real plus I can see. He's been the right hand man to the last two managers who have failed miserably and whatever his input is he has to be held partly accountable somewhere down the line. There's a proven winner with vast PL experience - and an ego to match - who wants the bloody job ! It would be absolute folly to hand it to Giggs. Do away with all the romantic claptrap and just get the bloke in who you know, by whatever means, will deliver silverware.

I just cannot believe that we will pass up this opportunity to appoint Mourinho. One of the best managers in the world actually wants it, no sweet talking required, no begging. Give him a five year deal, fasten your seat belts, sit back and let the fun begin.......
 
NinjaFletch said:
Why are you posting the Utdreport tweet rather than the information from the source itself?

And because the answer is that the only mention of it is this tweet:



Then why are you posting it at all?
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Needs to read this instead of posting every single thing. Palmer doesn't have a clue anyway, like you said there he's just regurgitating what we've seen in other reports
 
NinjaFletch said:
Why are you posting the Utdreport tweet rather than the information from the source itself?

And because the answer is that the only mention of it is this tweet:



Then why are you posting it at all?
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Its the same thing my friend, if no source, then you can say i should not post. I am posting using good sources only.
 
Jev said:
Mourinho is a risk too, isn't he? Where is he mentally at this moment? He looked like a man who was completely losing the plot at Chelsea. Think he needs a good sabbatical to clear his head.
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I agree. His stock has taken a huge hit after this season at Chelsea. It will be interesting to see what happens, he has probably lost a lot of that air of invincibility.
 
Maradona10 said:
Its the same thing my friend, if no source, then you can say i should not post. I am posting using good sources only.
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Palmer isn't a good source. He's banned in the twitter transfer thread.

Look at the tweet you posted:
José Mourinho is in talks with Manchester United. [@kpsundayworld]

Entirely different from what he actually said:
"Mourinho in talks with United is the line from some over here Jan. Giggs would be a big risk in my view"

Those United fan twitter accounts are looking purely to increase their number of followers and embelish what they say. Post directly from the source itself and don't post Palmer stuff.
 
Maradona10 said:
Its the same thing my friend, if no source, then you can say i should not post. I am posting using good sources only.
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1. Its not the same thing
2. A Sunday World journalist is invariably not a good source
3. No where does Kevin Palmer say what the utdreport tweet actually says that he does, all he says is that 'is the line from some over here'. Thats a statement that I could make and it would be equally true, no where does Kevin Palmer even pretend to present new information.
 
Stretford End Phil said:
As to people knowing what they are doing - anywhere - it's highly speculative to assume anybody has ever known from one day to the next at OT. Football is day to day and hand to mouth, common sense and planning are most discussed but rarely applied.
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True enough. It's a highly unpredictable business and impossible to put a structure in place which guarantees anything. But ever since Fergie retired we seem to have just carried on with the same basic set-up: A manager in charge who is supposed to run the shop - and Woody in that role of his.

I think he, Woody, needs someone in a more active and permanent role on the footballing side - besides the manager. Gill never needed that, because he had Fergie. But we won't get another Fergie, that's a pipe dream at best.

I wouldn't be opposed at all to what you suggest - a more hands-on board of football people (directors, board members) to interact with both Woody and the manager. A director of football is another - obvious - possibility. At any rate, something should be done. We need a rethink, a new structure in one way or the other.

Let the money men do their job - give Woody some proper help with the football side. I don't see the Glazers as being positively opposed to this, actually. But the initiative has to come from somewhere. I have no idea how Woody regards matters: If he were to suggest a restructuring to the Glazers, they'd probably go along with it. But is he likely to do that?
 
That "quit" in the title is a bit provocative.
 
Giggs could very well be the next manager but it could just be until pep comes which I'd be ok with just don't want him as permanent manager especially if it means we take Giggs over Jose,that would be retarded.
 
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