I have no problem with LVG calling our incompetent management out. Way to go you miserable twat.
LVG: Man Utd is a commercial club, not like Bayern Munich.
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I have no problem with LVG calling our incompetent management out. Way to go you miserable twat.
While I do agree with his general statement, it's still very rich coming from Van Gaal. He spent shitton of money only to have us competing for top 4 and win an FA cup. If anything, he's lucky to have even won the FA Cup because if we're being honest, he should have been sacked much earlier.
Van Gaal actually went on record and said our structure wasn't bad. It was actually the distances that the team had to travel that pissed LVG off during the preseason tour to the U.S in 2014. Below is the article from July 2014 explaining his frustration.
"Louis van Gaal has hit out at Manchester United's pre-season tour of the United States and the "dreadful" distances they have to cover, saying the club is putting commercial commitments ahead of on-field success."
http://en.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/326367.html
What LVG is complaining about in the above article in 2014 isn't ideal but most big team managers adapt to it.
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no it comes into it for sure and you do need some luck along the way, just like winning trophies. At the same time you have to make the hard decisions and have a ruthlessness about you if your going to become a winning side and I’m hoping there is a realisation now of what needs to be done. We have to get ruthless. We haven’t made the right decisions in a long time and I do think Ed Woodward wasnt football savvy enough. Let’s hope they put the right people in the right places this summer.
we haven’t been ruthless enough and made some terrible decisions along the way. The contracts we have given players. The signings. The list goes on. You can’t just throw money at it and hope it sticks, you have to be way smarter than that and we haven’t been. The structure of the club is key. Have football men with experience in the footballing positions, the absolute best in class is only good enough.
We leaked the news he was sacked the day he won the FA cup which was completely unprofessional. Should of sacked him before or much after but it was poor form when we did it. It ruined our reputation a bit too, football is a small community, let’s hope Ten Haag doesn’t actually listen to him.
LvG is an over-the-hill, outdated footballing dinosaur, who gave us the worst football we’ve seen in the past decade, scraping past the likes of mighty Yeovil and Cambridge on his way to his only trophy for us - not like Klopp and Pep.
...and that has to do with his current observation, how? You don't need to be a Johan Cryuff to figure out we're a commercial club more than footballing club.
We'll always be a commercial club.
He's only saying what the rest of us already know.
It’s been 6 years Van Gaal you can dry up now.
All the big clubs have huge commercial interest but most of them also have an excellent football setup. Utd's football setup is a mess so I kind of agree with LVG's advice to Hag.
It always cracks me up that the interview in OP was 3 months before Woodward's amazing comment of "Playing performance doesn't really have a meaningful impact on what we can do on the commercial side of the business." He really wanted to prove van Gaal right in this regard.
For Ten Haag's sake he certainly should.
It is an accurate statement and the whole world and his dog know that. But the fact that he’s so vocal about it and publicly dissuading potential candidates from taking the job suggests there’s still a lot of bitterness and ill will from him. He’s not exactly the most impartial person to ask about the job.
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Didn't he clash with Romario because he tried to play him on the wing?
Van Gaal is still salty about getting the sack.. and all the players he brought in were disasters
Rivaldo.
The bloke is 100 percent correct we’re not a football club at all. The slippery slope shows that in abundance. As bad as it sounds it’s probably right ten Haag shouldn’t touch us with a barge pole. He’ll do better where he has complete control no bankers in his ears.
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There is probably some truth to this. But of course, no side is unbiased, and LVG is only telling one side of the story. He was given ample time and a lot of money for buying players (whether he wanted those players is debatable tbf)
But it seems a bit arrogant to publicly tell a manager not to join out club based on his limited experience with us long ago. On the surface, we atleast seem to be trying to change things create a more cohesive footballing structure in place.
At the end of the day, it remains one of the most sought after jobs in football. And I’m sure most managers would be itching to be given a chance to manage such a big club, and bring it back to glory. Whoever wins a PL with us next would cement their legacy as a very good manager who brought United back. And even if they fail, they‘ll still receive an enormous compensation.
But it seems a bit arrogant to publicly tell a manager not to join out club based on his limited experience with us long ago. On the surface, we atleast seem to be trying to change things create a more cohesive footballing structure in place.
At the end of the day, it remains one of the most sought after jobs in football. And I’m sure most managers would be itching to be given a chance to manage such a big club, and bring it back to glory. Whoever wins a PL with us next would cement their legacy as a very good manager who brought United back. And even if they fail, they‘ll still receive an enormous compensation.
Your club could change though, now that Useless Ed is gone, a man more obsessed with sponsorships than the product he is trying to sell. If there’s ever been a more incompetent CEO in football history..
The twats still bitter about get sacked. Cute.
It's not like anyone's going to listen to the single most confrontational football manager in the game today. I'm pretty sure he's fallen out with literally every club he's been involved with, which says everything you need to know about the man.
There is an old saying about people from my locality " He would remember a good turn for 5 years and a bad turn for 10". This rule clearly applies to LVG also.
To get to the top level as a player or manager you need a huge ego and self confidence. Any shred of self doubt and you will be torn apart so someone like LVG who has managed at Ajax, Barca and Bayern successfully does not want reminded of his failure at Utd and will take every opportunity to lay the blame at the foot of the club not himself.
Having said that this does not mean he is wrong in his assessment of Utd since the Glazers took over which has been staggering from one daft decision to the next, especially since Ferguson and David Gill left. Hopefully Ralph , Murtagh etc can set Utd on a more sensible long term trajectory although I reserve the right to withhold judgement until I see what this summer brings.
Correct. Plus, for all those criticising LvG, we did treat him pretty disgracefully.
Leave aside any quibbles about performances, to sack the bloke the day after winning a major trophy and after (supposedly) giving him several strong re-assurances he would see out his contract is poor form.
Leave aside any quibbles about performances, to sack the bloke the day after winning a major trophy and after (supposedly) giving him several strong re-assurances he would see out his contract is poor form.
I would note his success did not always end well. He was sacked by Bayern and Barcelona, and resigned before he was about to be axed from both Ajax and his first stint as Dutch boss. So as well has having a long histroy of dull football, he also tended to fall out with star players as well as boards, culminating in sackings or quick exits. All of which underlines why he should never have been appointed by a club desparately looking for stability, even before remembering his real glory days were long gone and at the time he was widely expected to be retiring after the World Cup. So I would pretty much ignore anything he has to say
LvG reputedly offered to go after the poor run in November, but Woodward refused, wanted him to stay till the end of the season, so Jose could be installed.
Boring to watch LvG's teams, but his belief that 'the opposition cannot score if you keep the ball' did encourage our players to try to feel comfortable when in possession.
Why are a fans getting defensive about the same truth we have been complaining about for years now. He's not wrong and all this bitter talk is off the mark, you don't hear him slagging off Bayern or Barca's footballing structure, christ we ended up with van gaal because klopp ran a mile when woodward told him united were Disney world of football.
It's not what he's saying, it's that he keeps doing similar when he could be less of a twat. He's 100% bitter as feck. That he's right doesn't matter, as everyone knows it anyway, as you say. He has no idea what's going on now though, and whether United are trying to turn it round.
I think instead of viewing it as LVG being bitter we should view it as someone with past experience of the club giving the club a warning and direction to change. Almost like a free consultation from Gordon Ramsay. Won’t be what you want to hear and won’t sound nice but if you listen, understand and act on it it will benefit your business.
We get Ten Hag we either change structure and get the best out of him or waste one of the most highly rated coaches in football.
If we don’t get Ten Hag we realise that he rejected us because of our structure and we think about how and why we also didn’t get Klopp and adapt so in the future we don’t lose out on the best.
We get Ten Hag we either change structure and get the best out of him or waste one of the most highly rated coaches in football.
If we don’t get Ten Hag we realise that he rejected us because of our structure and we think about how and why we also didn’t get Klopp and adapt so in the future we don’t lose out on the best.
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He goes on about how pigsteiner was treated but how about how he treated depay and van persie?
Typical Red tinted glasses from some of our fans here. Van Gaal says exactly what they are thinking and they attack him.
He had a plan for our club at least which is sure as hell more than anyone who came here since. Some of our fans demanding counter attacking football is always a bit strange, even Pep would struggle truth be told.
It’s hard to judge LVG on what he did at United because despite his failings we have many, many more and are really to blame overall for him not progressing as promised in England.
Still rate him very highly as a manager considering his coaching level and what he achieved in the game.
He had a plan for our club at least which is sure as hell more than anyone who came here since. Some of our fans demanding counter attacking football is always a bit strange, even Pep would struggle truth be told.
It’s hard to judge LVG on what he did at United because despite his failings we have many, many more and are really to blame overall for him not progressing as promised in England.
Still rate him very highly as a manager considering his coaching level and what he achieved in the game.
Yes seriously. How can you have such a superficial view of all this? Is it so hard to look past what you see on the field and take on board what people like LvG, Klopp, Gary Neville have been saying for years? Do you never question why Ole was given the job when he clearly wasn't qualified? Why we bought Ronaldo? Why we didn't buy a DM? Why are some fans so obtuse that they cannot see what is obvious to most people? It's not about the lads not trying hard enough. This isn't Roy of the Rovers. It's big business.
Chelsea had an owner who doesn't care about money - he was using the club to buy status. Just like at City. That's why the Glazers never bothered to try and compete with them - it didn't make economic sense to do so. It's that simple. Top four balanced the books and the cost of winning silverware didn't. The only reason they give a fek now is because we are going to consistently miss top four with Newcastle and Arsenal on the way up.
Liverpool are a commercial club but they have owners with a different business model trying to build up the club through sporting success. And they got lucky with a brilliant manager because of that. That should be our model.
A lot of posters seem to be denial over the truth of Van Gaal's words. Some really bitter shite being posted in here.
If we hire Poch and sign Kane as I suspect will happen, Van Gaal will only be proved even more correct.
If we hire Poch and sign Kane as I suspect will happen, Van Gaal will only be proved even more correct.
It’s always Glazers out until someone important actually criticises the Glazers. I do not get it and never will.
Louis just seems incredibly bitter about how his tenure ended.
Which seems to some extent understandable, nobody wants to get sacked, especially if they are under the however misguided belief they're progressing.
But it does somewhat ruin his credibility that he can never accept that he contributed to his own downfall. The corporate nature of the club didn't force him to play slow tempo possession football or force him to sign some of the players he did. That's on him, and yet all we hear is how the club didn't allow him to thrive. It's a two way street, Louis.
Which seems to some extent understandable, nobody wants to get sacked, especially if they are under the however misguided belief they're progressing.
But it does somewhat ruin his credibility that he can never accept that he contributed to his own downfall. The corporate nature of the club didn't force him to play slow tempo possession football or force him to sign some of the players he did. That's on him, and yet all we hear is how the club didn't allow him to thrive. It's a two way street, Louis.
Well done to Van Gaal. The more spotlight put on our cancerous board the better, he’s spot on.
He's not wrong in fairness to him. Look at the Ronaldo signing, if we had better football people around no way we bring him back. He has scored a few goals but has completely ruined the team in the process. But it dosent matter because his shirt sales and the such will be unbelievable.
They see money before success, that is all the owners care about.
They see money before success, that is all the owners care about.
Looking in from the outside, I believe he is very much right.