Luke Shaw | Deal done! Almost...

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Genuinely think he'd be one of the signings of the season as he'd slot in quite seamlessly. Everything about him is spot on - He's young, he's English, he's fantastic already, he can be one of the best in his position in the world (already is one of the best in the league), he's a professional player off the field. I'm jealous.
 
:lol: Doesn't quite work that one, but close enough.



Maybe transfers are like downloads or something?

Just waiting for the last few megabytes.

Or, is that how much of the paperwork has been printed off? page 19/20 has been printed, just waiting for page 20.
Our luck we've run out of printer paper.
 
Quinton Fortune discussed Shaw briefly on MUTV last night. Stated that the United player's who had trained with Shaw on England duty felt he was the real deal.
 
Maybe transfers are like downloads or something?

Just waiting for the last few megabytes.

Or, is that how much of the paperwork has been printed off? page 19/20 has been printed, just waiting for page 20.

I like to think that Woody sees the world through a Terminator-like HUD. So he can always keep an eye on Shaw's progress bar slowly advancing.
 
They announced the new manager the day of the Paddy Crerand phone in on MUTV, there's another phone-in on tomorrow. Maybe they will announce a new signing before each phone-in during the summer. :cool:
 
Im a little worried about the lad, are we really going to thrust a young 18 year old into the starting line-up in at much higher intensity of play than he is used to at Southampton, there is a very real risk that we could end up over-using him and him becoming a Wilshire, injured all of the time.

I hope Evra stays and helps him out, a rotation between them would be great, also there is the fact LVG knows exactly how to handle young players and mould them into legends.
 
Im a little worried about the lad, are we really going to thrust a young 18 year old into the starting line-up in at much higher intensity of play than he is used to at Southampton, there is a very real risk that we could end up over-using him and him becoming a Wilshire, injured all of the time.

I hope Evra stays and helps him out, a rotation between them would be great, also there is the fact LVG knows exactly how to handle young players and mould them into legends.

Are you serious? If anything they've played more high energy / intense football than we have for the last 2 years. He may not be the complete player right this second, but like de Gea he was bought with the future in mind.
 
Im a little worried about the lad, are we really going to thrust a young 18 year old into the starting line-up in at much higher intensity of play than he is used to at Southampton, there is a very real risk that we could end up over-using him and him becoming a Wilshire, injured all of the time.

I hope Evra stays and helps him out, a rotation between them would be great, also there is the fact LVG knows exactly how to handle young players and mould them into legends.

Baffling post when he has played 35 league games last season for a high pressing team.
 
Baffling post when he has played 35 league games last season for a high pressing team.
High pressing and high tempo are completely different, obviously he has had experience at a fantastic team but let's not go completely nuts and suggest that United is not a step up from that. The expectations are completely different. At the saints he excelled in bombing up and down the wing and delivered some lovely crosses and had great interplay with his winger and inside midfielder.

At united it's not an expectation but an prerequisite that he adds all those aspects with an end product. He can't simply bomb down the wing deliver a cross and we will say "oh well at least he tried" he will be required to deliver game in game out or lose his place to Evra who's only slip ups have been defensively.

United is leaps and bounds above Southampton in terms of what is required, expected in his overall game. That's not just harsh mentally but physically.
 
I don't expect Luke Shaw to be perfect from day 1, everyone knows he's work in progress and if Evra stays, that's better. The experience he will get from working with him in the training ground will be priceless for his development. With each passing day this is looking more and more likely with James Ducker talking about Luke Shaw at Manchester United in the past tense and Stuart Mathieson suggesting this transfer is all but complete.

No one can complain about his quality. Find me another fullback his age with his experience and ability then we'll talk.
 
It wouldn't surprise me one bit with this club if we signed him and he played half his games at centre back or defensive midfield!


We need to start playing our young players in their right positions for extended spells if they are going to progress. In the youth teams we often give players spells in other positions to round their game and if that has been Fergie and Moyes' thinking with Jones, Smalling, Welbeck et al then I disagree with it quite strongly.
 
Genuinely think he'd be one of the signings of the season as he'd slot in quite seamlessly. Everything about him is spot on - He's young, he's English, he's fantastic already, he can be one of the best in his position in the world (already is one of the best in the league), he's a professional player off the field. I'm jealous.

Meh you are just happy you kept Baines :p
 
So the Mirror are now reporting that his parents are house hunting in Manchester.
 
Southampton don't high-press every game anyway. They do against the better teams, and it makes an impression (which is why everyone assumes it's how they play all the time) but not every game.
 
Southampton don't high-press every game anyway. They do against the better teams, and it makes an impression (which is why everyone assumes it's how they play all the time) but not every game.
Is that right? I saw them high-press against Spurs and blow out late on to lose and the same v Stoke when they got pegged back for a draw.
 
Is that right? I saw them high-press against Spurs and blow out late on to lose and the same v Stoke when they got pegged back for a draw.

Against the better teams who are capable of out-passing them or out-playing them given them time to build from the back. Tottenham potentially being one of those teams.

I (like many, I'd guess) just assumed Southampton played the intense high-pressing game all the time, until I had a chat with a Southampton fan who told me otherwise. I watched a few games, and rarely do they press like they do against the better teams.

Maybe I happened to catch them on off-days. But those games, alongside what I was told by the guy I spoke to, backed that up.
 
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Southampton don't high-press every game anyway. They do against the better teams, and it makes an impression (which is why everyone assumes it's how they play all the time) but not every game.

(I)n truth there’s only one side that is worth discussing in greater detail. That is Southampton, who bucked this trend by managing to record the highest average possession in the division (58.6%), despite only the ninth-highest pass completion rate (81.4%). That’s shown in greater detail by stripping the graph of labels, and putting in a ‘line of best fit’ to show what an anomaly Southampton are.
graph2_zps673c0b59.jpg

How have they managed this? Well, put simply, because possession statistics don’t simply show how effectively a side keeps the ball, they also take into account how quickly they win it back. Southampton manager Mauricio Pochettino is, famously, a discipline of Marcelo Bielsa, the Argentine coach who puts a huge emphasis upon pressing, and winning the ball quickly.
“Our simple ethos is this: try to win the ball back as quickly as possible, as far up the field as we can – and by that I mean everyone is involved in winning the ball, back from the forwards to anyone else,”
Bielsa once said.
When Bielsa was in charge of Athletic Bilbao, his side recorded very similar statistics: a very high possession share, despite a relatively mediocre pass completion rate...

As Southampton have demonstrated, you can be average at actually keeping the ball, yet still be the best side in the league at dominating possession. You simply have to press high up the pitch.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/05/16/pass-completion-and-possession/
 
(I)n truth there’s only one side that is worth discussing in greater detail. That is Southampton, who bucked this trend by managing to record the highest average possession in the division (58.6%), despite only the ninth-highest pass completion rate (81.4%). That’s shown in greater detail by stripping the graph of labels, and putting in a ‘line of best fit’ to show what an anomaly Southampton are.
graph2_zps673c0b59.jpg

How have they managed this? Well, put simply, because possession statistics don’t simply show how effectively a side keeps the ball, they also take into account how quickly they win it back. Southampton manager Mauricio Pochettino is, famously, a discipline of Marcelo Bielsa, the Argentine coach who puts a huge emphasis upon pressing, and winning the ball quickly.
“Our simple ethos is this: try to win the ball back as quickly as possible, as far up the field as we can – and by that I mean everyone is involved in winning the ball, back from the forwards to anyone else,”
Bielsa once said.
When Bielsa was in charge of Athletic Bilbao, his side recorded very similar statistics: a very high possession share, despite a relatively mediocre pass completion rate...

As Southampton have demonstrated, you can be average at actually keeping the ball, yet still be the best side in the league at dominating possession. You simply have to press high up the pitch.

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2014/05/16/pass-completion-and-possession/

Fair enough.
Though from what I've seen of them, they press the full pitch against the top sides. And press from their own half against the rest.

And not with the same intensity as they do against us, for example.
 
Fair enough.
Though from what I've seen of them, they press the full pitch against the top sides. And press from their own half against the rest.

And not with the same intensity as they do against us, for example.
We're easy targets to press. Our midfield is so slow and we're very susceptible to losing possession and generally having a hard time when faced with high pressing.
 
He has United written all over him. Think we'd have signed him if Fergie was still here anyway. A lot of money, but he'll repay that and more during his time here.
 
I reckon SolidStates mates mate is Zaha. I bet he's a gobby cnut, and dopey enough to tell the kind of buck eejit who'd spill his guts to another buck eejit who'd post it on the Caf.
 
I reckon SolidStates mates mate is Zaha. I bet he's a gobby cnut, and dopey enough to tell the kind of buck eejit who'd spill his guts to another buck eejit who'd post it on the Caf.

How would Zaha know anything about who Woody and van Gaal are trying to sign?

Doubly fictional is what SolidState's 'mate's mate' is.
 
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