Shaw's looked fantastic in the premier league though, very mature and all at the age of 18. Considering there aren't any genuine quality left backs we can bring in, I think the best option would be stumping up the cash for someone young like Shaw. Going into FM mode, Alex Sandro is highly rated although I've never actually seen him play, and then from what I read, Ricardo Rodriguez from Wolfsburg looks like a really good left back and has been apparently up there with Alaba as the best left back in the bundesliga this season. He'd probably cost 20m as well. So really, we aren't getting away with less then 20m for the left back position, and most of the current experienced ones we are being touted with are either too old, or question marks whether they are good enough. Coentrao is a good fullback but the question marks are there defensively, he never really impressed me but he is very good going forward.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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Just out of curiousity, how much did Jordi Alba go to Barca for? He had like a year or two left on his contract I think?
Rooney: "Are we going sign anybody, boss?"
Moyes: "Yeah, course we are, Mata is only the first, now f*ck off and do your job"
Headline: Wayne Rooney given special access to transfer secrets!"
Easy, innit?
Moyes: "Yeah, course we are, Mata is only the first, now f*ck off and do your job"
Headline: Wayne Rooney given special access to transfer secrets!"
Easy, innit?
A lot of noise in the press about us looking at Shaw, but I dunno I just feel this 1 has Chelsea written all over it.
Would certainly be a good little player though for now and the future.
Would certainly be a good little player though for now and the future.
Terry Paine just said on South African tv that it's between Chelsea and United - he said he knows the offers but can't say how much. He also went on to say that it won't happen now but it's going to be very tough to hold on to him in the summer.
If we want Shaw we have to get him right now. His value will go through the roof within a season. He's incredible already. Imagine him and Januzaj on the left.
Yeah but it really sounded like there's no way they're letting him go now and that it will take a mega offer in the summer to get him.
The offer ain't the problem it's his supposed preference for Chelsea that concerns me. Gotta turn the feckers head somehow. Give em a load of hookers of something FFs.
Offer Soton Buttnee. That will swing the deal in our favour 
Considering the likely price difference I would rather get Coentrao (who I rate quite highly) and spend the extra £££ on getting more quality in midfield.
Yeah I've never seen Shaw play but at the price being touted I'd rather we go for Coentrao as you've said. More $$ can be spent on Vidal.
We need two left backs anyway. In an ideal world we'd bring in both Shaw and Coentrão. Don't see us bringing in either, the scouting will hopefully unearth something else.
Was it Soton that wanted Buttner before we got him? Let's throw him into the deal as well
He was one of the best fullbacks in the league last season at 17 years of age, 18 as of July. Adnan had his United debut around the same age as Luke Shaw is now. Thats how good Shaw was already at such a young age.
There's no guarantee he goes on to be one of the top 2 or 3 left backs around and he isnt one of those young players who receives the ball and they just look a bit special due to their flamboyant technical skills, but he's already shown that you can count on him week after week in the premier league and that in itself is ridiculous at his age. Any other teenage fullback out there you're probably thinking give the guy a year to really get going before you have expectations of their performances. Luke Shaw is ready to start for a top premier league club right now. He doesn't let you down
There's no guarantee he goes on to be one of the top 2 or 3 left backs around and he isnt one of those young players who receives the ball and they just look a bit special due to their flamboyant technical skills, but he's already shown that you can count on him week after week in the premier league and that in itself is ridiculous at his age. Any other teenage fullback out there you're probably thinking give the guy a year to really get going before you have expectations of their performances. Luke Shaw is ready to start for a top premier league club right now. He doesn't let you down
Shaw would be a 15-year solution if everything goes fine though, Coentrao while still relatively young wouldn't go that long for sure. £20m would be an absolutely fine price for a player like Shaw IMO, you know the quality you get with someone like him and it's a long term solution.
Is he potentially that good though to justify that kind of outlay?
I think you would need to be pretty special i.e. Rooney, to justify that kind of spending on a teenager. Plus I feel as though we need more established players in the squad at the moment, players who are closer to their peak.
If you've watched him play I'd be interested to know what his playing style is like.
Offer Soton Buttnee. That will swing the deal in our favour
They were close to signing him before we did anyway, so that could tempt them to deal.
To let Wayne know about transfers isn't the same as letting him rule over them though. But, aye Sir Alex would never reveal anything to anyone who matters did not concern.
I've not seen him all that much but according to most accounts he's got plenty of potential to be a top quality left back for years and is just about ready to make an impact at a club better than Southampton.
You have a good point about getting experienced players who are ready to make an impact in, especially as we'll most likely have Jones and Smalling - two young centre halves with little experience in that particular position (especially sith Jones who has been mostly used at right back and defensive midfield) - as the mainstay of our defence with Ferdinand and Vidic likely to depart at the end of season. That'll actually leave us with Evans as our most experienced defender. Plenty of potential to go lengths with that sort of defence but it might hold us back short term as we have witnessed.
20mil isn't loads in today's money. 18, English, talented and already with 12 months of Premier League football under his belt. 20mil easily.
hes gonna cost something like 30mil+ with all the interest in him.
Of course Ferguson involved players in the past regarding transfers, don't be stupid. I imagine it's very common for a manager to do that. The press is just making a big deal out of this because it's Rooney, who Ferguson told to mind his own business before (OMG MOYES WEAK!!!). Letting in a couple of players on future transfer plans and giving up control is two very different things.
I'm sure Moyes has TOLD Rooney who he's going to buy rather than ASKING Rooney who to buy.
I just think we need a proven player who can come in right now and perform at left back. Evra is a liability that is costing us more and more on a weekly basis. I'd rather we didn't look so long term for the LB position.
Many people were against Baines purely cause of his age not ability. (29)
I feel someone like Coentrao gives us that long term/short term balance. Can perform right away but still young enough at 25 to give us quite a few years. Just my opinion.
I really don't see how people think we will be signing the lad, was he not a confessed Chelsea fan? Mourinho also commented on him? As well as Chelsea being able to batter us out of the market financially, I think they are more than favourites.
and currently look more likely to win trophies.
This season at least, not all players are that short sighted I hope.
Why has our interest in Coentrao evaporated?
Chelsea are a side that have a man who has won trophies wherever he has gone in charge and will be playing Champions League football next season, and he supports Chelsea.
We have a man who has never won a major trophy, look competely and utterly clueless and may not have any European football of any description next season, and probably wont compete in the wages stakes for someone that young.
Easy choice if you're Luke Shaw for me.
Aaron Ramsey had a similar choice between Arsenal and United, and he chose Arsenal. Professionals will more often than not do they what see as better for their career.
Sign for United and be the only left back at the club, first choice by default, at a time they're promising to spend big on world class players, and help shape the club for years to come under a new manager who will be given time, play alonside Rooney, RVP, Mata etc - up against signing for Chelsea to compete with Azpilicueta for a full back position, under a manager known for his short termism working for an owner also known for his short termism, play alongside Hazard, Oscar, Eto'o etc.
It's not an easy decision at all, there's negatives and huge positives for both clubs.
Because Madrid have no replacement so cannot sell?
Do you believe Mourinho will be telling Shaw that he'll play second fiddle to Cole Azpiliicueta? I see it as though he'd tell him the spot is his...
Of course he wouldn't tell him that, but the fact of the matter is that if Shaw had a poor game or two he'd be out of the team!
And then we fail to sign whoever he told him we're going to sign. What happens next? Do we have an unhappy player again?
These things always have a good chance of coming unstuck which is as good a reason as any not to be telling your players who you are trying to buy. Its something different to say what kind of positions and profile of players you're looking at, but it would still be something wrong to do this for Wayne Rooney and not other senior players in the team. Captains and former captains for example. Or does Rooney choose who to pass the information on to as well?
But the point is, it's what he believes... and I'm sure Mourinho is very good at convincing people.
Pretty obvious it was Stretford who leaked this info. Moyesy's prob only confirmed his plans to Rooney to convince him that United were not fallin away & to get him to sign - every manager worth their salt would be doin that ffs. Cant understand (i supposed i can tbh) the way the media have turned it into a soap-opera. feckin pathetic abu shite once again...
Many of those journo's who've turned on United since Fergie retired need their arse served & i'll feckin love it when Moyesy starts banning said cnuts from press conferences. Its open-season now Fergie's gone, & to hear them brag about being able to slag United, Fergie & Moyes now - with no consequences, rattles my cage.
I wouldnt listen to Johnny Vaughan or Mickey Quinn on Talksport on a Sat morn if you feel the same annoyances. Its like the teacher is out of the classroom & the kids are creating havoc. Moyesy is beginning to come into his own, but he doesnt want to lose the rag just yet because they'll say he's crumbling under the pressure & the feckers will love that.
In due time - i hope Moyes gets hardcore-nasty on those feckers who've been writing disgraceful shite about us. Bannings left, right & center will put their jobs on the line - that'll shut them the feck up & drop their abu agendas. feck being the media-darling - make a black-book list of haters & get yer own back is the way to go!
Sorry for swearing too much there. Just got into a heated rant with myself about the backlash we've been gettin. Abu's are crawling out of everywhere & its been doing my head in this past while. Signing Mata is a great start to shuttin a few of them up though...
ight with ya on the RHD. The cnuts are everywhere just waiting for that little opportunity to stick the knife in deeper. I think Moyes and Co are gonna come up trumps and as you say then the big fat banning stick should be put in motion.
feck the lot of em.
feck the lot of em.
The journos have been beyond kind to Moyes. Insane rant.
Yep. Take Suarez for example, I'd be shocked if he didnt want assurances. Gerrard previously too.
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