Weren't we linked to Clyne a few seasons ago?
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Yeah when he was at Crystal Palace. Clyne said he rejected us because he knew he would receive more playing time at Southampton.
Could Shaw play on the left wing?
He is still young so maybe United see potential in him which the supporters have not considered, £30 million for a LB will never make sense to me but £30 million for a LB/LW...
He is still young so maybe United see potential in him which the supporters have not considered, £30 million for a LB will never make sense to me but £30 million for a LB/LW...
I was really concerned about his fee at 1st. But if we can get quality 5+ years from him his fee becomes irrelevant much like Rio with us and Dani Alves with Barcelona.
He's a very technical footballer. He seems solid defensively but his all-round game is great. He could be our BaleCould Shaw play on the left wing?
He is still young so maybe United see potential in him which the supporters have not considered, £30 million for a LB will never make sense to me but £30 million for a LB/LW...
Seriously though I hope we don't mess around with him. He's a left back, one that we desperately need. In a few years, maybe we might want to experiment but I think it's best for his development if he keeps playing in his preferred position.
Id like Shaw but as it drags on and the price seems to grow in each new story I am starting to think that although he would be my first pick there are other players who might provide better value
good though Shaw is for 30m we could quite possibly get Moreno and di sciglio... If we do end up spending 30 on him I at least hope a good chunk of the money is based on appearences and achievements such as titles and / or cl qualification
good though Shaw is for 30m we could quite possibly get Moreno and di sciglio... If we do end up spending 30 on him I at least hope a good chunk of the money is based on appearences and achievements such as titles and / or cl qualification
30m. The worlds gone absolutely made. No disrespect to the position but most left and right backs are failed wingers that have be taught to tackle. It's a position that you don't need to speed this money to get quality. He's 15m tops.....
I disagree. I think fullbacks are hugely important positions and there aren't many excellent fullbacks knocking around these days. Not in a good age bracket anyway and Shaw is at the very youngest end of that good age bracket, has two premier league seasons under his belt and has the potential to be here for 12-15 years. If £30m is what it is going to cost us to get him then so be it.
There are plenty of better minds than mine that have written articles supported by all the stats to show how important full backs are in the modern game. Lots of then have the ball as much as midfielders. Buy a good one and it makes a huge difference.
They seem to be getting more important with every season recently, too. Look at Bayern - Lahm and Alaba are easily as likely to start an attack as any of the central midfielders. They're absolutely central to the Bayern game-plan.
And you're paying for such a diverse skill-set, too. Full-backs have to be incredibly fit, because they cover so much ground at high speed during a match, and they should be fast too. They have to be defensively solid, and intelligent about it as well because defending from FB is more nuanced than what a CB has to do. They are also expected to be almost as effective going forwards as a winger, and where these days a lot of 'wide forwards' get away with not being great crossers of the ball, a FB won't survive long if he can't cross well.
A player who can really excel in so many areas should be worth a lot of money.
And you're paying for such a diverse skill-set, too. Full-backs have to be incredibly fit, because they cover so much ground at high speed during a match, and they should be fast too. They have to be defensively solid, and intelligent about it as well because defending from FB is more nuanced than what a CB has to do. They are also expected to be almost as effective going forwards as a winger, and where these days a lot of 'wide forwards' get away with not being great crossers of the ball, a FB won't survive long if he can't cross well.
A player who can really excel in so many areas should be worth a lot of money.
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Not saying they are not important but irrespective of that, the best left back in the world (we can argue who that might be) would cost you around that. That's premium money for someone with potential. Just think we get a little champ man 14 on here at times. Other teams seem to find players for positions without breaking the bank, but we seem to have to pay premium money of late to do that.
We seem to no longer want to scout players, and think just paying for players that fort the media set the price tag is the option. If that was the cause might has well waited a few years and paid more money for Evra and Vidic.
Id like to hear a suggestion on who would be a better left back signing for us?
Not sure exactly who the best LB in the world is, but the best FB is still probably Lahm, and if he were hypothetically open to a move, you'd have to pay a good £50m to get him. Guardiola would probably call him his most important player.
Because we're a very wealthy top team in difficulty. That's always how it is. It's basic economics.
And just the simple act of us showing interest in an otherwise little-known player can addd £10m onto their price tag. If I was some Belgian team with a mediocre player who I'd sell to someone else in the league for £5m and Manchester United decided they wanted him, you can bet your arse I'd be asking for £15m.
Given that we need proven quality to improve the first XI, it makes sense to overpay for the top players rather than overpaying for unproven potential.
And what is that assumption based on?
If we sign him, he will have been watched numerous times. He's a very good player - that's evident to the press, fans, scouts, managers and other players. I cannot understand why any fan would be against his club being interested in the best young players in the world, especially when they are English.
You need to stop believing everything you read in the papers. We're being linked to every player going at the moment for obvious reasons - I.e. it sells papers and helps the agents if said players drum up interest.
As ever the club will still be scouting around the world and looking for talented players who are under the radar. Anyone with half a brain would realise that.
As it is we will probably spend big on some players because we need quality additions in key areas, not players with potential who may or may not be good enough given time.
The best players cost big money and there is a reason for that. Some on here are going on as if the club have some new galactico policy all of a sudden which is total rubbish.
Seems some fans are never happy. Buy average players, they moan. Buy quality, they moan. It's ridiculous.
What you want is the club to find a load of £10 million players who are are actually £40 million players - which I'm sure every pro club in the world wants to do. It's not that simple. For every good player there are 5 or 6 who are forgotten about because they didn't make the grade.
It seems a ritual of 'do-not-want-ism' and whataboutery.
"We're signing X? Do not want. Why aren't we signing someone else, what about Y?"
I find some posts amusing. In other threads in the part I've heard players referred to who have done well and didn't cost a great deal. Fair enough - but anyone can sit after the event and say "we should have bought Coutinho" - as an example.
As above the ground braking suggestion is that "we should but brilliant players who nobody else knows about". Great suggestion, extremely obvious and near impossible to do regularly.
If we're asked to pay £25m for a player and we only pay £20m people will whine about the Glazers but if we're ready to pay what the club asks of us, people whine about the Glazers paying too much. Football fans.
best left back is debatable but jordi alba would be a contender in most peoples eyes I would have thought
€14m to barca (another wealthy club)... whats that just over £11m
I guess thats why its hard not to look at the price of shaw and not be a little surprised at it... english premium of course but thats a high premium.
Shaw has fantastic potential but so does moreno and both are young... im not sure that shaw will be twice the player moreno is but I bet he costs twice as much
Valencia were desperate for money to stave off the taxmen so that £11 million fee for Alba wasn't his true market value. He also let it be known that he'd only sign for Barcelona so they weren't involved in a bidding war with anybody else.
It'd be akin to Southampton being threatened with a winding-down order and Shaw telling them that he'd only sign for us. The fee would be nowhere near £30 million then. The inflated fee is affected by many variables: the buying club appear desperate, there's competition to sign him, the selling club don't need to sell and the player in question has great potential.
It'd be akin to Southampton being threatened with a winding-down order and Shaw telling them that he'd only sign for us. The fee would be nowhere near £30 million then. The inflated fee is affected by many variables: the buying club appear desperate, there's competition to sign him, the selling club don't need to sell and the player in question has great potential.
Not the Alba fee comparissons again, please just don't, he was only ever going back to Barca when he wanted out, that was a huge bonus on the negotiations and not representative of his true market value, similar with how Barca purchased Fabregas back for about 25mill when if we'd gone for him at Arsenal it would have been 40-50+
So does that mean Bale started his career as a failed winger
?As for the fee. 30m? In this day in age, is it really that much.
He is still a teenager, and already a proven prem player, who could quite easily go to the world cup, not as a spontaneous pick like Walcott was, but due to his performances and quality.
Not saying he would, but at 19 (in the summer), he could quite easily hold the LB spot for 12-14 years. In 5 years time, prices on players will keep rising. 30m for 12 years service, and probably one of the best LBs in the world, it's not bad as first thought.
Obviously if he wasn't English, then the price would be less, but we need to fill a certain amount of English players, so we might aswell get the better ones
This is actually true. Theyre either failed wingers or failed CBs.
Bales an exception to the rule.
How can you just right off an entire position? Baffling stuff.
I think most professional Footballers started off as strikers or creative midfielders because they were probably the most talented player at whatever team they started with. Once they get into professional clubs they move to the best position that fits their technical level and athletic ability. And when it comes to FBs I think for a while now teams have been taking the most athletic kids and turning them into FBs since they need great pace and stamina these days since FBs are expected to attack and defend in equal measures.
I think it's a joke that people are saying they are failures.Try telling that to Carlos, Maldini, Lahm and many others, who are some of the best players to play the game
Full backs, waste of time.Fullbacks are failed wingers who can tackle, and goalies are failed footballers who can catch....
As others have said, Alba's price was very low because he actively sought to leave to go to Barca. Like Fabregas, whose price was similarly reduced. Also, he's fairly overrated, and definitely not the best LB in the world at the moment. Just off the top of my head, Alaba and Baines are better players. Alba is one of those Barca defenders who looks twice as good as he actually is because he so rarely actually has to defend. Glorified winger.
That said, I never argued against the people who would like us to consider other promising young full-backs over Shaw. It's not my opinion, but it's a perfectly reasonable one. I was just arguing against the utterly ridiculous opinion that full-backs aren't 'important enough' to merit big transfer fees.
Exactly. It's fecking ridiculous.
I mean, looking at just two games in the past week or so prove how important a fullback position can be; Everton's decimation of us was predominantly fuelled by Coleman's abilities to drive forward and instigate multiple counter attacks - the one who provided real impetus. And then, Shaw and Clyne highlighted the defensive abilities of a fullback; nullifying Coleman and Deulofeu for large parts of the game, which in essence, castrated Everton's attack.
PFA Team of the Year for Shaw. He has to be one of the youngest players to ever get that honor.
Wow....I fully expected Baines to get that to be honest, but, it's great for the lad. At 18 he will be over the moon at this, and will be on the plane to Brazil
Slap an extra £10m on he's value
Sounds like the fecking Ryanair route
Yeah he's not been better than Baines or Azpilacueta, but some achievement anyway at his age
How's the attacking side of his game? I've seen him a few times, and he looks like a pretty good defender. But I do think the attacking part of a full backs game is extremely important now, having watched the likes of Dani Alves, Lahm, Alaba over the last few years. If your fullback is capable of preoccupying the opposing teams fullback/midfielders I think it opens up more space for your wide players.
Feck.
He's hardly going to say he's disillusioned with Southampton and is off now, is he?
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of being "happy to stay." He's leaving, his board will see to that when they get 30 million smackers shoved into their bank account.
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