I'll accept him for the time being. Would prefer 2 centremids and a right winger before him being replaced.
23
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 33
- Clean sheets
- 15
- Goals
- 1
- Assists
- 2
- Yellow cards
- 9
- Status
You are massively underrating Traore here. He's certainly not just a kick-and-run merchant. He's also a very good dribbler in close quarters, a great touch and plenty of tricks. He's also got insane acceleration as well as his ridiculous top speed. Getting close to him is just asking for him to suck you in to a challenge and then he leaves you in the dust.
Traore's two big weaknesses are normally poor positioning so he doesn't get on the ball as much as he should, and terrible decision making when it is time for him to actually do something other than dribble with the ball. He was actually better than normal in the former yesterday which is why he ended up having such a big impact. Thankfully for us his decision making was still shit.
Left backs in last season's top 8: Zinchenko, Mendy, Angelino, Robertson, Rose, Davies, Emerson, Alonso, Monreal, Kolasinac, Tierney, Jonny, Vinagre, Digne, Baines. Easily the worst? Hyperbole I think.
He is supposed to be the LB for the next 10 years when he joined Man Utd. As Jose said the other day, only if he has Jose's brain then he will become a good player.
Shame Jose didnt have the brain of a good manager at United
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39499154
He has the physical attribute, just need to learn the game better in Jose's opinion.
I mean, im pretty sure that goes without saying. Maguire cost £80 million and like Shaw theres areas where he can improve and do better
However if he didn't improve his game under LVG and Jose, what are the chances under OGS?
He did. He just won our player of the year
But if you cant recognize the progress he made last year under Mourinho and Ole then what are the chances you will recognize it under OGS this season?
He was vital in the buildup for Martial's goal. Yes, Traore beat him one or two times, but this should not discredit a fine overall performance.
Shaw is technically very good, a fine passer, strong in the tackle, and very fast. Shaw is far from being an issue in our squad.
Shaw is technically very good, a fine passer, strong in the tackle, and very fast. Shaw is far from being an issue in our squad.
Fair enough. I read people want an upgrade on him already which is weird to me.
I hope so,has great potential and very attack minded too.
Those are just the people who already decided that they dont like him, before he played well so will slag him off any chance he gets. He can obviously improve in some areas but hes solid in his position
The guy defers to his CB nearly every time. The irony with him is he has a lot in his locker, just no confidence to actually use most of it. That run he made for the goal, he should be making 5/6 of those a game.
Yeah Jose version of football. Stay back, don’t attack, don’t take a risk, don’t go beyond your winger. The sooner he forgets some of the rubbish that fraud told him the better.His crossing is definitely a weakness
To be honest I think we'd benefit more attacking-wise if he just made more runs beyond the final man, to create space for the attackers. If he can't cross then why bother, Evra wasn't that good at it either
Evra was brilliant at making forward runs that caused all sorts of problems, though, so it didnt matter that much
Can't seem to block a cross.
Where do I say "touch tight"? I say "close enough to effect the player"
By that I mean you absolutely do not allow an attacker to leisurely bring the ball under control, turn and run at you on their own terms
I would say you want to be stalking the attacker, close enough to make opposition players think twice about whether the pass is on, close enough to force pressure on their first touch, close enough to make their first movement a backwards one.
If you want examples of how this works....watch most other PL fullbacks.....its basics, it's not even a debate
Shaw isn't faster, and arguably doesn't have better positioning either. Dalot is better offensively, a better crosser and is 20 years old. Giving him a few games at LB isn't laughable at all, he has to play at some point and Shaw is out of form right now. So if anything is laughable it's your post.
This is a common problem with Shaw. He always lets the offensive winger freely get crosses in, and it's very frustrating.
Traore is incredibly hard to deal with, a force of nature. Thank god his final ball sucks.
Traore isn't just a pace merchant, he's abit more than that tbh. He's actually rapid as everyone knows too well and I thought Shaw didn't stand a chance against him one v one and needed help so i'm not gonna blame Shaw.
The only defender i've seen defend space in behind against Traore successfully was Van Dyke when Liverpool played Wolves away last season and won 2-0. VVD not only more than matched him for pace he comfortably out muscled him too on about a few occasions.
The only defender i've seen defend space in behind against Traore successfully was Van Dyke when Liverpool played Wolves away last season and won 2-0. VVD not only more than matched him for pace he comfortably out muscled him too on about a few occasions.
Not that many fullbacks really go touch close because you can be too easily beaten and in the positions you’re speaking of there is no recovering. Most Fullbacks sit slightly off in the scenarios you are speaking of so if the winger tries to take them on they have a few yards to adjust and if someone goes for a cross you’re in a position to make it more difficult whilst also trying to get a block in.
Bissaka does the same thing. If either fullback is in a race back with a winger going to the line then they will be touch tight and if you want examples just watch the Chelsea game for when Shaw did his best Bissaka impression.
However if they find themselves having to go out to someone on the wing most don’t kamikaze in if a player is set with the ball at their feet. In that scenario you try to make it difficult and get the block and hold up the play so your Centre backs, midfielders and keeper can set and deal with any ball hopefully coming in.
When you find another premier league fullback who has successfully marked Traore out of a game in the fashion you have claimed. You can tell me 'its not up for debate'.
Its like some of you have no clue what traore is about. I don't care how close you think you'll get to him. Unless you are real special defensively. He will STILL beat you. Because his ball control is exceptional. So is his dribbling and he is uber strong. So the notion that once can 'easily' affect him getting the ball under control is too laughable for words....
So.....let me get this right then....you're saying Traore is just impossible to play against...that no full back can contain him and whatever you try is doomed to fail?
This is Adama Traore, the lad who came on as a sub for Wolverhampton Wanderers? Not Messi, not Ronaldo, not Hazard, not peak Ribery, Robben or Giggs.....Adama Traore....?
I think you're still confusing my point in any case. I am not advocating man marking. I am talking about the basics of positioning at full back. Shaw stood too far off Traore time and time again, which allowed Traore to use his standout attribute - pace.
Apparently he is just a sprinter, no skill. It's like they have never seen Traore play. Easily one of the best dribblers in the league
Doesn't have to be peak any of those players for him to have exceptional speed and control of the ball. He is a great dribbler, your problem might be that you have reduced him to just a speed merchant, which he isn't.
No one is liking it but those are elements explaining his performance, there ain't much else we can do about it.
Never mentioned liking it, more so accepting it. People rolling in here accepting his performance as adequate and listing those elements as something that is acceptable. It’s really not unless we don’t have top 3 aspirations.
I get you but whatever we do or say on the caf has zero impact on Shaw or how the club will adress the LB position in the future.
What a hollowing feeling huh? And you wonder why 1000s of posts go back and forth each day on here about every bit of detail.
Mental that folk think Manchester United’s starting left back shouldn’t be able to deal with a sub for Wolves.
Traore is sh*te, if he was any good he wouldn’t be benched.
Traore is sh*te, if he was any good he wouldn’t be benched.
I'm just being a realist. The caf is good fun and that's about it for me. If the club truly cared about the fans, specially the match going ones, a few things would be different.
I mean AWB so far has been rinsed by Pulisic and Barkley. Yes he got back at them but they turned him and got away from him so really what we are dealing with here is years of CAF programming of people thinking Shaw is crap even though he had a really good game was intercepting heaps and winning headers being aggressive starting off attacks and involved in multiple bits of play. The CAF is just blind to all the good things he does. I would actually say he was better than Bissaka in the last game overall.
It is a big problem that has ready been explored. And when you have Rashford on that side as well it means that Maguire need to defend that side, with Lindelof taking Maguire's position. It happened several times already in the first game against Chelaea.
It's mental when you put it like that. We as a team weren't able to deal with the Wolves sub to be fair. Players, not just Shaw were bouncing off him. Traore is not that good but you are making him like he is Lingard level useless. Traore is a physical specimen and anyone would struggle to cope in a physical battle with him.
Traore is average as an all round player. He has no idea what to do on a football pitch when he's not dribbling with the ball at his feet. But off the top of my head I'd say he's probably the best pure dribbler in the league now that Hazard is gone.
Evra always struggled against Lennon, and Traore is faster, stronger and a better dribbler than Lennon ever was.
Don't get me wrong; Shaw didn't have a great game and he does annoy me at times when he doesn't block off the crossing angles. But a lot of people are significantly under-rating Traore to go overboard with criticism of Shaw.
Alright let’s forget a comparison to AWB for a second because they’re in different leagues. You just pulled out a negative for AWB and at worst he still nullified any threat from any opposition we have played so far. Toss in the fact that if Jesse wasn’t as useless as he is, AWB would have 2 direct assists vs Wolves. To really put it to bed - AWB had 9 successful tackles to Shaw’s 2 vs wolves. So AWB aside - it’s back to the main point. Why are you accepting how mediocre Shaw is? I understand we can’t do anything about it but how can you be satisfied with the contributions when he can’t even keep it up past 60 minutes? Never mind his non existent attacking contributions - why do we have to look at what happened to him and our team when Adama came on and think to our selves ‘yea that’s all we could do, we go again next game, Shaw is still decent’? It just feels like I’m reading a mid table forum being satisfied with mediocre players.
Unfortunately like kouroux was saying - we can’t really do anything about it so I guess we agree to disagree
If Traore was good he wouldn’t be a bench player at Wolves.
Talk about being obtuse.
- Status