[11101]

Hopefully its just something minor and he doesn't want to risk it in a friendly.

 

[RedDevil@84]

Hopefully he is just withdrawing because he wants some rest

 

[tomaldinho1]

Really hope he's faking because he wants to rest

 

[Canagel]

He's just getting a rest. Nothing more.

 

[Skills]

He got injured the last time he went with England so it's smart to pull out this time. He's in his contract year, he can't afford to get injured in a pointless friendly.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Smart decision, if he really did choose to withdraw. Needs to show he's capable of doing it for us before England.

 

[MikeKing]

Don't think we should offer him more than a 2 year contract at most. He is doing the bare minimum by putting the effort in at the moment and that might take him far, but we've seen how it goes with some of these guys. Soon as they get that new contract they stop putting in the work.

 

[Nico87]

Express reporting he's close to signing a new 5 year contract worth £150k a week, hope it's true he could still be our left back for close to a decade.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Don't think we should offer him more than a 2 year contract at most. He is doing the bare minimum by putting the effort in at the moment and that might take him far, but we've seen how it goes with some of these guys. Soon as they get that new contract they stop putting in the work.

He’s doing far more than the bare minimum, that’s unbelievably unfair on him.

It was Shaw who didn’t want to sign a contract with Utd unless he became an important first team/ squad player - he didn’t want to sign a new contract and just be a reserve player, he deserves credit for that.

He’s now proved himself and he deserves a 4 year contract - he won’t sign a 2 year contract, it would be insulting.

 

[Kapardin]

Don't think we should offer him more than a 2 year contract at most. He is doing the bare minimum by putting the effort in at the moment and that might take him far, but we've seen how it goes with some of these guys. Soon as they get that new contract they stop putting in the work.

Even if his performances drop again, he's done enough to ensure that there will be buyers for him if we wish to offload him. So, no problems giving him a long term deal.

 

[Ashley R1+O]

5y/150k would be a pretty insane deal even factoring his recent resurgence.

Don't think we should offer him more than a 2 year contract at most. He is doing the bare minimum by putting the effort in at the moment and that might take him far, but we've seen how it goes with some of these guys. Soon as they get that new contract they stop putting in the work.

A 3 year +1 deal would make more sense. Re-negotiating at 25/26 for a final 5 year deal to further his career sounds to me like the right move. But we shall see.

Didn't he come out and say that he's on well under 100k per week when abuse was flying around about his wage a while back? Personally think if that is true, would not pay much more than 100k a week and even that is a pretty crazy deal in general.

 

[Nico87]

I think the way TV & sponsorship has grown so exponentialy in as little as 2-3 years means that even squad players at top clubs are going to be on about £100k, so I think £150k for a starting players seems reasonable. I'd obviously rather the fans save money and TV rights,be cheaper but if that's not happening is rather it go to the players than the Glazers.

 

[led_scholes]

He’s doing far more than the bare minimum, that’s unbelievably unfair on him.

It was Shaw who didn’t want to sign a contract with Utd unless he became an important first team/ squad player - he didn’t want to sign a new contract and just be a reserve player, he deserves credit for that.

He’s now proved himself and he deserves a 4 year contract - he won’t sign a 2 year contract, it would be insulting.

Oh come on it' s not insluting. Apart from a few games 3 years ago and this year he has done nothing significant to deserve a long term contract. 3+1 or 2+1 should be his contract. Haven't we learned anything from Rooney and Moyes??

 

[Johan07]

5y/150k would be a pretty insane deal even factoring his recent resurgence.


A 3 year +1 deal would make more sense. Re-negotiating at 25/26 for a final 5 year deal to further his career sounds to me like the right move. But we shall see.

Didn't he come out and say that he's on well under 100k per week when abuse was flying around about his wage a while back? Personally think if that is true, would not pay much more than 100k a week and even that is a pretty crazy deal in general.

Yes, it would be an insanely good deal for us. The total cost of such a deal would be around 40M over five years. Just in wages. Which is probably around what an under contract Luke Shaw suddenly would be worth for us the minute he signed the contract. If not more. So we would commit 40M in wages and get a 40M asset.
Right now his value asset-wise is zero because his contract is expiring.
I question if he would even sign such a deal without demanding a signon fee on top of it. If he doesnt its crazy good business as well as a footballing decision.
The question is more if he wants to stay, he will have options in January, you can be sure if it.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Oh come on it' s not insluting. Apart from a few games 3 years ago and this year he has done nothing significant to deserve a long term contract. 3+1 or 2+1 should be his contract. Haven't we learned anything from Rooney and Moyes??

You might think it’s not insulting, but Shaw and his advisors would. He’s fit, been our most consistent player and back on the international scene. A two year offer is insulting - we offer that, and he’s likely to turn it down and could move elsewhere. It also doesn’t make any sense from a stability point of view, you would have to renegotiate in a years time, once this two year contract has only 12 months left.

 

[led_scholes]

You might think it’s not insulting, but Shaw and his advisors would. He’s fit, been our most consistent player and back on the international scene. A two year offer is insulting - we offer that, and he’s likely to turn it down and could move elsewhere. It also doesn’t make any sense from a stability point of view, you would have to renegotiate in a years time, once this two year contract has only 12 months left.

Well, i did suggest a 2+1 which is essentially -for United at least- a 3 years contract not two (indeed 3+1 is the best solution imo). I just find a 5 year contract too much for a player with so many questionmarks still hanging.

 

[Ashley R1+O]

Yes, it would be an insanely good deal for us. The total cost of such a deal would be around 40M over five years. Just in wages. Which is probably around what an under contract Luke Shaw suddenly would be worth for us the minute he signed the contract. If not more. So we would commit 40M in wages and get a 40M asset.
Right now his value asset-wise is zero because his contract is expiring.
I question if he would even sign such a deal without demanding a signon fee on top of it. If he doesnt its crazy good business as well as a footballing decision.
The question is more if he wants to stay, he will have options in January, you can be sure if it.

This post makes absolutely zero sense. We've garnered around 6 or 7 good months of Luke Shaw out of the current life of his contract. Lets be generous here and say he's on 75k at the moment (I have no idea what he is on but even if it is less, that makes it at the worst, a doubling of his wages). Paying him up front for what he might become in a 5 years is an absolutely ludicrous proposition and a further cementing of why we are in this wage mess in the first place. If indeed the guestimate of 75k is correct, he would be an absolute moron not to smash the pen through the desk and the floor of the office he's signing in on a 150k a week deal.

Genuinely have no idea if you even know what planet you're on here. If this is the United you want to support then by all means, go ahead. Fast forward this to in 3 years fans complaining why we gave him such a massive deal if he turns out to be something akin to Phil Jones and/or shite. Incremental wages make more sense to me, but I guess this is what United is now. Weirdo's trying to claim that signing a player to a 40M deal before he's actually done anything in the football world is somehow "good business". Righto then.

(Disclaimer I want the best for Luke Shaw and want him to re-sign, but lets be sensible here.)

 

[Web of Bissaka]

If that 5 years and double his current wages offer is true... that's too much.

His performances overall considering all his times here doesn't justify it yet, as does the past suspicions of his motivations before.

 

[Johan07]

This post makes absolutely zero sense. We've garnered around 6 or 7 good months of Luke Shaw out of the current life of his contract. Lets be generous here and say he's on 75k at the moment (I have no idea what he is on but even if it is less, that makes it at the worst, a doubling of his wages). Paying him up front for what he might become in a 5 years is an absolutely ludicrous proposition and a further cementing of why we are in this wage mess in the first place. If indeed the guestimate of 75k is correct, he would be an absolute moron not to smash the pen through the desk and the floor of the office he's signing in on a 150k a week deal.

Genuinely have no idea if you even know what planet you're on here. If this is the United you want to support then by all means, go ahead. Fast forward this to in 3 years fans complaining why we gave him such a massive deal if he turns out to be something akin to Phil Jones and/or shite. Incremental wages make more sense to me, but I guess this is what United is now. Weirdo's trying to claim that signing a player to a 40M deal before he's actually done anything in the football world is somehow "good business". Righto then.

(Disclaimer I want the best for Luke Shaw and want him to re-sign, but lets be sensible here.)

I agree that the salaries for players nowadays are crazy. That is driven by the market itself, which partly is state-owned clubs like PSG and City and overzealous clubs like Barcelona that are on 90 percent wagebill/turnover. The overblown transfer prices hasnt even affected players wages yet, but it will in a year or two.
That is why givng Shaw a new contract like that is financially an excellent deal. You can hate on Shaw for getting a great deal, I dont care, I am looking out for United as a club and the ALTERNATIVE is more expensive deal with more risk.
You need to take into consideration that signing Shaw on a five-year deal would immediately elevate his transfer value from zero to 40m (at least, more if he continues to perform). Which would mean that we would break even just by him putting pen on paper.
I mean, would you prefer us paying 60m or whatever for an older non-PL-proven Alex Sandro instead? Plus his wages that would be similar or more to 150k. And his transfer value would decrease during his tenure here because of his age.
Seriously, signing up Shaw on such a deal is a non-brainer. Both financially and footballing-wise.
I have no idea what planet you are on btw. Probably one where basic financial markets dont exist.

 

[Cassidy]

Glad for him but I actually dont think he has been that great defensively this season. Even in attack I don’t rate his delivery either.

Certainly playing a lot better though

 

[Frank Grimes]

Shaw has been decent and I really want him to keep improving. Can't help feeling that his early season form has been hyped up though because people really want him to do well.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

He doesn't deserve that much of pay rise, I'm sure Shaw knows it as well. We are spoiling our players too much, SAF wouldn't do this to a player who only perform good for 2 months.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Has he been dropped by Southgate? Bit harsh, surely? Brilliant assist, KTFO then boom, out of the squad. Wtf?

 

[criticalanalysis]

Has he been dropped by Southgate? Bit harsh, surely? Brilliant assist, KTFO then boom, out of the squad. Wtf?

Shaw pulled out with 'an injury'. Considering the talks about a new contract, I'm pretty sure he told Southgate the situation and didn't want to risk getting injured whilst he's on a run.

I hope he saw the game Chiswell had and is even more fired and motivated to lock down a left back spot for Utd and England.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Has he been dropped by Southgate? Bit harsh, surely? Brilliant assist, KTFO then boom, out of the squad. Wtf?

Still with the Eng squad. This time he's out - officially injured 'thigh injury'.
I think it's more cautionary decision not to risk getting worser injuries.

 

[Raees]

If that 5 years and double his current wages offer is true... that's too much.

His performances overall considering all his times here doesn't justify it yet, as does the past suspicions of his motivations before.

Look I am as happy as anyone that Luke Shaw is finally looking somewhat like his old self again but if it is true he is going to end up as one of the highest earning defenders in the world.. it just shows how clueless this club is at handling matters of remuneration for its players. Mourinho aside, we seem to be cultivating a mercenary, under-performing environment.

 

[Adam-Utd]

We're better of giving him a higher wage than losing him on a free deal.

Don't think for a second somebody like Tottenham / Everton would hesitate to give him 100k+ on a free transfer.

While he's a lucky boy, let's hope we will get 5 solid years out of him from now on.

 

[Handré1990]

Glad for him but I actually dont think he has been that great defensively this season. Even in attack I don’t rate his delivery either.

Certainly playing a lot better though

I agree he hasn’t set the world alight (except for the game he scored and was generally excellent throughout).

However, and this can’t be stated enough; a left footed LB with power, speed and more than decent technique is invaluable for our team balance. IF he keeps this up, it’s going to do a world of good for whomever is playing LW/LF. Look at Martial the last game as an example. How many times did we manage to isolate him v the LB or LCB? Much because Shaw keeps overlapping. Suddenly his (Martial) much criticised ‘signature move’ i.e going inside was an absolute weapon. Shaw has all the skills needed to become an important mainstay in this team, even when we (hopefully) raise our level a notch or two.

Is City’s FBs better than Shaw? Right now, yes, but imo only because they have a very spesific system which alows them to shine. Pound for pound, I’ll actually choose Shaw over Mendy, Danilo, Walker and Delph. That’s this version of Shaw, with more gametime, confidence and chemistry with the rest of the team he will get better and more secure.

As for the wages, we’ve fecked around too much already to begin with, so making an example of this ‘underdog come good’ is a bad idea imo. We should start making sure our new signings understand that you’ll get some of the best wages in world fotball here, but ONLY if you earn it. Heck, we could lay out a plan for progressive salary bumps each year if earned. You should start at the bottom (which will still be better than most clubs could offer) but by delivering on the pitch you can go up quickly. Of course there must be exceptions for proven world beaters.

I think our problem had been the wages we’ve given Fellaini, Young and the likes.

 

[Handré1990]

Look I am as happy as anyone that Luke Shaw is finally looking somewhat like his old self again but if it is true he is going to end up as one of the highest earning defenders in the world.. it just shows how clueless this club is at handling matters of remuneration for its players. Mourinho aside, we seem to be cultivating a mercenary, under-performing environment.

I’d say you hit the jackpot here. We need young and hungry players who will be told in no uncertain terms that it’s up to them to deliver on the pitch, and if so, skys the limit.

 

[TheFlagStaysDown]

Has he been dropped by Southgate? Bit harsh, surely? Brilliant assist, KTFO then boom, out of the squad. Wtf?

the problem is that people here thing he's done better than he actually did, there is a significant difference in performances from last season and he's been one of our better players but nothing more than 7/10 it isn't really

 

[Pogue Mahone]

the problem is that people here thing he's done better than he actually did, there is a significant difference in performances from last season and he's been one of our better players but nothing more than 7/10 it isn't really

I think that’s probably fair.

 

[Gordon S]

Well, i did suggest a 2+1 which is essentially -for United at least- a 3 years contract not two (indeed 3+1 is the best solution imo). I just find a 5 year contract too much for a player with so many questionmarks still hanging.

What are these questionsmarks?

 

[MuranoLover]

Reports he is injured...

 

[FootyGirl88]

Reports he is injured...

What reports? Link

 

[MuranoLover]

What reports? Link

https://www.skysports.com/football/...jury-doubt-for-man-utd-ahead-of-chelsea-match

 

[edgar allan]

What are these questionsmarks?

He only has a handful of decent performances in 3 years.

 

[edgar allan]

We're better of giving him a higher wage than losing him on a free deal.

Don't think for a second somebody like Tottenham / Everton would hesitate to give him 100k+ on a free transfer.

While he's a lucky boy, let's hope we will get 5 solid years out of him from now on.

5 years would be crazy

 

[led_scholes]

What are these questionsmarks?

If he can retain his current form for a prolonged period. This is his fifth year, and during the previous four he had like 10 really good games.

 

[Handré1990]

Oh god! Please let him be ready for Saturday!

 

[Gordon S]

If he can retain his current form for a prolonged period. This is his fifth year, and during the previous four he had like 10 really good games.

The contract on offer does seem to be very generous, no doubt!
But he isn't really injuryprone. He got loads of problems because of that legbreak, which wasn't his fault, and he seem to now have matured massively regarding fitness and health.
And after being motm contender in almost every game so far this season, i'm honestly not that worried about him.