[Zoo]

He isn’t in shape. That makes any argument about if he’s being harshly treated redundant.

 

[el3mel]

A lot of players take a season to settle. Especially a teenager.

Yes. I'd trust him as much as Ashley Young at this point because Young has been at fault for a bunch of goals against us (sometimes joint) its hard to see Shaw being more vulnerable.

He's definitely done a lot more at 22 years old than Lingard had done or McTominay, although obviously McTominay has another year to catch up

I don't think Young is good himself, but can you see Shaw putting similar performance against Salah ?

All the opponents are getting better full backs and City had just spent 130m on them while we're here talking about his 5 games before injury and comparing him to Young. That's simply not good enough, time to move on. We cant live on these 5 games for ever waiting for him replicate them. Him, Young and Valencia can't be starters here starting from next season.

 

[Bobski]

That was a while ago now.

First season he was too unfit and LvG never trusted him.

Second season horror injury.

Third and fourth under Jose he can’t get in the team at all. When is enough enough?

If Mou is here next season I am not expecting Shaw to be. He clearly has no faith in him.

 

[Swift Football]

Mou on Shaw: "It's my decision. My reason is that we work on the pitch on certain kinds of movement, with the two full-backs being aggressive to make space for Matic and McTominay. I couldn't change them both, I decided Luke because Antonio was at least capable defensively" #MUFC


So, Jose knows Valencia is sh*t in attacking. Maybe he is next in the line.

 

[spiriticon]

Shaw has played against Stoke, Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Burnley and SOTON at home this season, Everton and 23 minutes CP game away. Wonder why his clean sheet to games ratio compared to Young's is better.

How does he offer 'more natural width'? Does he run through the stands now? Unpredictability? In what sense? He opens up space for attacks? He's doing all of this stuff that Young apparently doesn't and he doesn't have a fecking single assist to his name this season, whereas Young has 7? 0 goals for United being here 4th season (one season out due to leg break). He isn't better than a 32 year old winger/#10 converted to a defender. Let that sink in. Nevermind the fact that Young himself isn't a Cafu reincarnated.

Absolutely this. Luke Shaw is actually struggling to displace a 32 year old makeshift left back. How in the hell can he look himself in the mirror these days?

 

[Swift Football]

Mou on Shaw: "It's my decision. My reason is that we work on the pitch on certain kinds of movement, with the two full-backs being aggressive to make space for Matic and McTominay. I couldn't change them both, I decided Luke because Antonio was at least capable defensively" #MUFC


So, Jose knows Valencia is sh*t in attacking. Maybe he is next in the line.

Regardind Shaw, after listening to the Jose's post match, I feel that Jose was not happy with few players - The players around Matic ( Martial and lingard? ) and Valencia. He wanted to change something and felt Shaw was the weakest link. If this was not the match right after Sevilla, I doubt Shaw would have been substituted in the half after today's performance ( which was not that bad but just okay)

 

[Thunderhead]

I just don't see what can possibly be gained from a manager to be publicly humiliating a player time and again, it can't help the player and it certainly won't help the dressing room

 

[Ekeke]

I don't think Young is good himself, but can you see Shaw putting similar performance against Salah ?

All the opponents are getting better full backs and City had just spent 130m on them while we're here talking about his 5 games before injury and comparing him to Young. That's simply not good enough, time to move on. We cant live on these 5 games for ever waiting for him replicate them. Him, Young and Valencia can't be starters here starting from next season.

I'm just comparing him to what we have because thats what we should be talking about isnt it?

Is he really worthy of being singled out like he has been? Or, if we sign a top class leftback in the summer is it better for Luke Shaw competing for his spot than Ashley Young who's own performances have dropped and will have to move on eventually.

I'm not suggesting he's been so good that we shouldnt be interested in signing someone else. Like you say some other clubs have spent big on fullbacks and we're definitely not in a position where ours are above being improved upon. I just find it weird that hes the one chosen to pick on given how many other underperformers we have, several that Mourinho refuses to ever say a bad word about.

I remember when Mourinho first slated Shaw several people looked at it as Mourinho laying down the law and breaking him down so that he can build him back up as the kind of player he wants. Has that happened? Did that happen with Miki where he had the same sort of approach?

I also remember at Chelsea the first time, the theory people were using to explain Mourinho always getting himself in the headlines with comments was that he was making himself the focal point which took the pressure and focus off his players and defended them.

Now he's just doing it to scapegoat a young player.

Perhaps I just have a bad memory but can anyone give me an example of a player 22 and under that Sir Alex Ferguson blamed and slated after performances?

 

[arthurka]

He isn’t in shape. That makes any argument about if he’s being harshly treated redundant.

I think Scholes said it right that he looks like a player in need of playing time and tlc.. But i really dont care anymore Jose has had it in with him from day one and he cant do anything right.. How many players will be thrown under the bus before we fire him ? It’s clear that Shaw is his fall guy.. Plus that rant is just plain mean..

 

[King.of.Red]

Sigh.. He let me down. Enough is enough. Sell him!

 

[spiriticon]

Mourinho must be crushingly disappointed in the guy. If I remember it correctly, we were fighting hard against Mourinho's Chelsea for his signature in 2014 and we won.

 

[el3mel]

I'm just comparing him to what we have because thats what we should be talking about isnt it?

Is he really worthy of being singled out like he has been? Or, if we sign a top class leftback in the summer is it better for Luke Shaw competing for his spot than Ashley Young who's own performances have dropped and will have to move on eventually.

I'm not suggesting he's been so good that we shouldnt be interested in signing someone else. Like you say some other clubs have spent big on fullbacks and we're definitely not in a position where ours are above being improved upon. I just find it weird that hes the one chosen to pick on given how many other underperformers we have, several that Mourinho refuses to ever say a bad word about.

I remember when Mourinho first slated Shaw several people looked at it as Mourinho laying down the law and breaking him down so that he can build him back up as the kind of player he wants. Has that happened? Did that happen with Miki where he had the same sort of approach?

I also remember at Chelsea the first time, the theory people were using to explain Mourinho always getting himself in the headlines with comments was that he was making himself the focal point which took the pressure and focus off his players and defended them.

Now he's just doing it to scapegoat a young player.

Perhaps I just have a bad memory but can anyone give me an example of a player 22 and under that Sir Alex Ferguson blamed and slated after performances?

My opinion isn't really based on what Mourinho thinks or believes regarding.

I have tried several times to trust him and you can see that I praise him quite few times this thread and asked for him to get some chances. I'm just starting reaching a point I found it too hard to keep faith in him while we can move on to better targets for our sake.

 

[The White Pele]

I still think the reason Jose gives Luke Shaw the tough love is because he sees the player that he could be. If he didn’t rate him he would have gone the same way as Depay and Schneiderlin.

You can see why Mourinho gets frustrated when there is no intent to a lot of Shaw’s play. He could add an extra dimension for us if he played at 100%.

 

[Ekeke]

My opinion isn't really based on what Mourinho thinks or believes regarding.

I have tried several times to trust him and you can see that I praise him quite few times this thread and asked for him to get some chances. I'm just starting reaching a point I found it too hard to keep faith in him while we can move on to better targets for our sake.

Which we should, absolutely. I cant disagree that he hasnt done enough to be considered our first choice and untouchable in the team. I dont think anyone would argue that.

But whoever we sign will need some backup and competition and I think 22 year old Shaw is clearly a better choice than 32 year old and out of form Ashley Young when hes been just as vulnerable defensively as any of our other leftback options.

Now if Shaw himself doesnt want to see someone else signed and play second fiddle to that player at least until he can get back to his best and prove hes the better option, then in that case maybe its best for Shaw to leave. Because again he hasnt been good enough that we shouldnt be looking at a new player in his position.

But he's simply not the problem in his current role, unless he's unwilling to keep that role.

 

[Devil may care]

Savagery, without lube.

 

[el3mel]

Which we should, absolutely. I cant disagree that he hasnt done enough to be considered our first choice and untouchable in the team. I dont think anyone would argue that.

But whoever we sign will need some backup and competition and I think 22 year old Shaw is clearly a better choice than 32 year old and out of form Ashley Young when hes been just as vulnerable defensively as any of our other leftback options.

Now if Shaw himself doesnt want to see someone else signed and play second fiddle to that player at least until he can get back to his best and prove hes the better option, then in that case maybe its best for Shaw to leave. Because again he hasnt been good enough that we shouldnt be looking at a new player in his position.

But he's simply not the problem in his current role, unless he's unwilling to keep that role.

I will have no problem in keeping him as a sub while we getting a main LB in summer to take the position. The problem will be if the club keeps believing in not singing any LB till Shaw starts to deliver, that will be a disaster IMO.

 

[Damien]

 

[ravi2]

I agree with Scholes, keeping Shaw after this season would parallel us keeping Anderson for years after it was obvious he was too inconsistent to ever be a first teamer at OT

 

[Member 109952]

I'm a fan of his but Mourinho clearly doesn't rate him so we need to sell him. Will be good for us as we can hopefully go and get a top LB in, and good for Shaw as I think he has enough ability to kick on elsewhere.

 

[Ekeke]

I will have no problem in keeping him as a sub while we getting a main LB in summer to take the position. The problem will be if the club keeps believing in not singing any LB till Shaw starts to deliver, that will be a disaster IMO.

I dont think thats the reason we havent signed one. I think we havent signed fullbacks because Mourinho is happy with Valencia and Young

 

[el3mel]

I dont think thats the reason we havent signed one. I think we havent signed fullbacks because Mourinho is happy with Valencia and Young

He's obviously happy with Valencia. Young I'm not so sure he entered the seasons with that belief considering we started the season as Blind being our main LB. He tried all of them through the season and seem to have reached conclusion (from his perspective) that Young is the best of the lot. Don't think he was planning to depend on him as a starter at all from the preseason. Blind was our main LB in the whole preseason iirc.

What he will do in summer will tell us more.

 

[Greck]

Felt some of the comments were unfair. His forward run helped create the Matic crossing opportunity we scored from.

The performance wasn't bad enough to warrant being singled out

 

[red_devil83]

Don't see what he did wrong tonight. Helped with the first goal. Young wasn't any better really. Seems a bit harsh

 

[seanboy]

Shaw can do no wrong in some fans eyes. He must realise himself that he's not in any decent shape.

 

[Dec9003]

He wasn't up to much and he has chippy tits, rightfully hooked.
In all seriousness, I did think he was quiet in the first half, which seems to be the kind of thing Jose was talking about so I can see why he was subbed.

 

[Stubble]

I used to defend Shaw to the hilt and I despise the way Mourinho publicly throws players under the bus to deflect the spotlight from his own tactics and decisions, I don't like bullies full stop, but I've lost total patience with Shaw the guy looks continually overweight and obviously lacks the discipline necessary to make it here. Yes he gets dropped but the reaction should be to stay in shape work hard and make the manager look the fool every time he gets a chance to impress. Instead he looks weighty each time hes out for a few games. That's not acceptable and the club have waited long enough for him to come good. I think a move would be best for him and the club. Maybe a consistent starting place at a club lower down the league would make him into the player he could be... I really hope we bring in Sandro or the like next window it's time we had a reliable player in that position.

 

[Wanderlust_09]

Unfortunately Shaw seems to be yet another player we signed with lot of expectations of being the future of our LB position, but alas never to be... It is indeed time for him and Utd to part ways for the mutual benefit of both parties. Hope he re-discovers his lost potential in some other club.. He was very unlucky to suffer from that hoorrendous leg fracture and ever since his graph has been going downwards..

We badly needs 2 first team quality full backs (LB and RB) and a new #8 this summer before we sign players in any other position..

 

[Andersons Dietician]

I thought he was actually pretty good in the first half. Overlapped, got stuck in defended well. Think there was one incident where Martial didn’t track his man and Luke had a 2 vs 1 situation.
Again it’s sad to see so many people going on about the weight. You don’t have to be 5% body fat to be fit. The guy is a powerhouse and one of the fastest players in the squad and has shown he is decent in the air. If you’re a lard ass you just can’t do these things. It’s really starting to grate.

 

[Stubble]

I'm sorry but if people can't see Luke is carrying some extra weight that's just rose tinted spectacles. Yes a player can still sprint when not in optimum shape but try doing that continously for 90 minutes. It's been long documented that he has problems staying in shape and with fitness so let's not re-write history or pretend he's just big-boned ! I wish as much as anyone else he could sort these issues I am a big fan of his and have defended him continously in the past especially after his return from his horrible injury when people were too impatient with him. I think the manager is done with him tbh..

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

He is 100% gone in Summer and I'm in 2 minds about it. For one I think he probably could of been treat better and hasn't had a fair crack at the LB position on a consistent basis, but then again his weight seems to be an issue and if that is a sign of his bad professionalism then I can fully see why he hasn't been given game time. I do genuinely believe if he moves to the right club he will still become a good player. Just a shame it hasn't worked out here, as I love nothing more than us signing talented young players and them progressing at the club.

 

[Hed Zitin]

I haven't even bothered talking about him in god knows how long. He's been finished here for a long time.

Never had the mentality for a big club.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Some fecking ruthless comments from Mourinho on Shaw.

Apart from Pogba, he's had the most to say about a specific player, who has probably played the least out of the entire team.

At least give him a chance to fail on the pitch ffs. Literally everyone else has been stinking the place for one whole game or 20 but Shaw get's a half then taken off.

How about stop looking for 'warriors' and start coaching football.

 

[engulfing]

We should buy another left back and loan luke out to a club where he will play every match. The fact is that we have too many inexperienced youngsters in our squad who are just not ready to lead a title charge. Mourinho knows this that's why he doesn't play them.

 

[Brophs]

Whatever about the right and wrongs of the situation, cast your minds back to the Watford game towards the start of Mourinho’s first season, where he called out Shaw for not closing down their winger:

“Our left-back is 25 metres away instead of five,” he said of Shaw’s involvement in Watford’s crucial second goal. “Give him 25 metres and you have to press. But no, we wait. It is a tactical but also mental attitude.”
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/sep/23/jose-mourinho-luke-shaw-criticism

Fast forward well over 18 months and he’s saying:

"And I decide Luke because at least Antonio defensively was capable of some good positionings like in one of their more dangerous movements in the second-half where Locadia made a diagonal run inside behind Eric Bailly, and Antonio is still capable like this. And Luke every time they went in his corridor the cross was coming and the dangerous situation was coming, so I was not happy with the performance."
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-utd-news-luke-shaw-14426320

To his mind, he’s still making the same mistakes and has the same weaknesses. Weaknesses which particularly seem to irk Mourinho.

 

[Himannv]

I think the problem is also related to the timing of this game. It's right after the Sevilla game and that huge press conference and Mourinho will not accept anything under 110% from his players. His comment does not reflect well on Valencia either.

LVG was similarly critical of Shaw at times, but I think the big problem for him is the lack of game time right now. I feel he was playing a lot better when he started regularly.

Anyway, it really looks like the end of his career here. I don't expect it to work out between him and Mourinho.

 

[R'hllor]

Double standards, both deserved to be subbed and yet somehow Valencia stayed, swap their age and Valencia would be out, feck that shit.

 

[Fredo]

which club does the caf think will sign him during the summer IF we sell him? (sad to see him go but...)

 

[Freak]

We need better fullbacks next season. Valencia has been shit attacking wise for a few Seasons now and Shaw is just not pushing on.

 

[L1nk]

Whilst I agree that Shaw hasn't shown the consistent ability to be a mainstay for us since coming back from injury, the way Mourinho has scapegoated him and threw him under the bus just isn't on to be honest, not to mention he was getting a run of games, playing well, Mourinho said himself, only to be dropped for no reason for Young and thrown back in, churns out an okay performance and gets thrown under again, just... why?

 

[Varun]

Whilst I agree that Shaw hasn't shown the consistent ability to be a mainstay for us since coming back from injury, the way Mourinho has scapegoated him and threw him under the bus just isn't on to be honest, not to mention he was getting a run of games, playing well, Mourinho said himself, only to be dropped for no reason for Young and thrown back in, churns out an okay performance and gets thrown under again, just... why?

Just mourinho being mourinho. Always happy to take a dump on players.