Not sure about that Inter offer, the rumor was a loan with a requirement to buy that would have equaled around that but there was never confirmation that the offer was made. The only offer we know for certain that we have received was last weekend when we played them the BBC reported they finally made a formal bid of 54m and wanted to pay in instalments which we turned down flat and effectively told them to make a serious bid or stop wasting our time.
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Not sure about that Inter offer, the rumor was a loan with a requirement to buy that would have equaled around that but there was never confirmation that the offer was made. The only offer we know for certain that we have received was last weekend when we played them the BBC reported they finally made a formal bid of 54m and wanted to pay in instalments which we turned down flat and effectively told them to make a serious bid or stop wasting our time.
Lukaku's peak was 2016/17 where he scored 25 goals in the Premier League. He now has 500 professional games under his belt which has taken its toll on his body, which is obvious when you look at his build (hence his struggles with weight and fitness). As with Rooney the chances of him improving from his early to mid 20's is very slim, unlike his waistline.
Why don't we just sell him for the amount offered? It's a good amount and it does us no good to keep Lukaku around with no pre season under his belt.
Okay, let me put some stats to you below. This is a list of Rooney's PL goals only. you can see he was an average 12 goals a season. Are you able to tell when his peak was? 2013 when he was 27! when is Lukaku 27? next year, so the comparisons with Rooney are totally baseless.
Year Age Goals
2008 23 12
2009 24 12
2010 25 26
2011 26 11
2012 27 27
2013 28 12
2014 29 17
2015 30 12
2016 31 8
2017 32 5
2018 33 10
If you honestly believe that that is the direction we are heading in, you are in for a very rude awakening. Time will tell, but I expect Ole to play in the way that we did last year.
Some people think that hiring Ole is a magic bullet to all our problems. That is definitely not the case, as we saw in the period after the PSG match.
Some people also believed that there would be a massive clearout and lots of incomings. So far, Hererra has left and 2 players have come in. Everything is transpiring in a way that I expected.
Woodward is the man in charge and his aim is 4th place. Personally, I don't think we have a team capable of doing this.
Rooney's peak was 2010... Where he won the PL POTY, writers POTY, Man Utd players POTY and fans POTY. He also finished 5th in the FIFA Ballon D'or, a career high.
He was 24.
Initially you judged Peak by goals...
I would rather have a striker score me goals rather than win all these individual trophies.
Probably why you like a striker that struggles to control a football.
Who are Lukaku's potential replacements ? I wonder.
From the looks of it, Martial and Greenwood if need be may play a 9, and Rashford Of course. Then there is also Alexis...
So are we waiting for Icardi to move, or to sell Lukaku to get Maguire, or is buying Maguire depending on Longstaff rating Lukaku, all while waiting for the lads to get back from the tour in a week's time?
Yup. All this so Darmian can stay and Tuanzebe go on loan.
The future of Lukaku won't have any bearing on Maguire. We have the funds to complete that transfer 5 times over and are not close to facing any FFP issues. The slow progress with Maguire is simply down to Ed valuing trying to shave a couple of quid off the price over having the player available for pre season to bond with his new team.
Where the Lukaku deal does impact us is whether we buy anyone other than Maguire as I don't think we are realistically looking to sign anyone else right now but will probably look to spend the Lukaku cash should a deal happen. In the case that he does go I think we will forego signing another striker and instead prioritize a more versatile attacking threat such as Fernandes or Pepe.
Where the Lukaku deal does impact us is whether we buy anyone other than Maguire as I don't think we are realistically looking to sign anyone else right now but will probably look to spend the Lukaku cash should a deal happen. In the case that he does go I think we will forego signing another striker and instead prioritize a more versatile attacking threat such as Fernandes or Pepe.
To be honest I think Sanchez is much better as a high pressing striker than anywhere else, can’t do any harm up top whereas our left side struggles with him there.
There is a difference between running around like a headless chicken and pressing as part of a unit.
He's gonna come bumbling back into the team and upset the new look dynamic front line soon enough.
Read the thread above it before commenting. I mentioned he is not suited for this Manutd but that doesnt mean we sell him to the first team that comes knocking who cannot afford him.
Well... no he didn't. He just said Lukaku's best season was the one in which he scored the most goals. That doesn't necessarily mean the same applies to Rooney who, by the way, scored a grand total of one more goals in 2011/12 compared to 2009/10.
Okay yeah lets compare oranges and apple why don't we?
Wayne Rooney in 09/10 was playing for a team who was winning trophies, champions league and all.
Lukaku is playing in an nonperforming team.
How is that relevant to the discussion of when a striker reaches his peak? The entire point was that it's not at all granted that Lukaku is entering his peak - it might be that he's already on the decline.
So when do you think Rooney reached his peak?
Most strikers reach their peak at 26-30, what figures have you got to back up that Lukaku is on the decline?
I think Rooney started his decline right around 2012. That was his last really great season and after that he was visibly getting worse. So he peaked before his 27th birthday.
EDIT: And it's Lukaku's actual performances that suggest he might be past his peak at this point.
I think you would also appreciate Rooney played a different role as well?
Anyway, this is a Lukaku thread - I started of by saying we should get more than £65m for him and still stand by him. He is at 26 which most people will think will be peak. If we sell him at that and he declines, I couldnt care less. As long as we sell him for a good fee.
We haggled last year over Darmian price and he is still here now with no real suitors and he barely gets a game.
We should be glad that Inter can take Lukaku of us for a reasonable fee and allow Ole to transition to the kind of front line he wants. But instead we will haggle about the 10 or so million difference in price and then be forced to include him in the team or worse he barely plays and goes next summer for 25m.
We should be glad that Inter can take Lukaku of us for a reasonable fee and allow Ole to transition to the kind of front line he wants. But instead we will haggle about the 10 or so million difference in price and then be forced to include him in the team or worse he barely plays and goes next summer for 25m.
We are happy enough to pay off Mourinho but haggle for 10m when we could potentially lose out a lot more next season.
Just get rid of him
Just get rid of him
But presumably then you would be happy to refuse a £65m offer, keep him on our bench and watch him decline whilst on our books?
Footballers with weight issues and a body type like Lukaku's often peak far earlier than Ryan Giggs... The likes of Rooney, Ronaldinho and Ronaldo were hardly at their peak value at 27.
Well negotiate it up to £65m and £1
Would you be happy to sell him for a total fee of £54m? and only £9m of that to be paid this year and the rest in instalments over 2 years?
The fact that he’s overweight, unfit, lacks the desire to actually put in any effort. Any hungar and desire to be the best player he can be seems to have disappeared the day he walked through the doors @ Carrington. Add in, that he’s been poor for the last 12 months, average before that and cannot score against a half decent defence.
This all points to a player on the decline. Goals, fitness and mental attributes are all fading. He’s half the player he was at Everton and yet twice the size!
There is a clear downward trajectory with Lukuku.
Inter are still interested but are trying to get him for as low as the can. This could go on until final day, so we need someone ready to come in. If Woody is negotiating, then we have no chance.
Well negotiate it up to £65m and £1
Would you be happy to sell him for a total fee of £54m? and only £9m of that to be paid this year and the rest in instalments over 2 years?
The offer was £54m up front plus £9m loan fee. I think £63m total would be a decent deal with them paying 100% wages/bonuses for the next 2 years. It's certainly far better than keeping him (if it's a or b). However considering that this was their first offer I'd expect them to be able to increase that if we allowed the deal to be structures in this fashion... Possibly £9m per season for the loan plus £54m fee at the end (£72m total).
The stupidity is asking for a full transfer this year when it's obvious Inter can't afford close to our valuation this window.
/Edit: Truthfully I'd be tempted to stretch it even further if it meant we were paid more... £9m per season for a 3 year loan with £54m guaranteed at the end would be a phenomenal deal in my opinion and would probably suit Inter's finances.
Would you sell your house for £200,000 when it’s worth £350,000? No you wouldn’t. Especially when clubs are adding premiums to the players we want and add that to how much of a Cnut Inter were when we wanted Perisic. Not that I wanted Perisic mind you but still.
If the total guaranteed value meets the figure you mention, I would say £20m initial fee and then carry on.
And then hope that Ed gives us some money to spend on new transfers seing we getting rid of a very big wage of our books.
I am surprised that so much of the narrative is whether Manchester United... Manchester United.... hold out for an extra £10m or something. And this speaks volumes for the priorities within the club, and the expectations of the fans. Whether Lukaku is actually good enough, now seems to be a secondary matter, and that has NEVER been the case at United for their No 9. But it is clear things have changed.
Romelu Lukaku is not good enough, to be the No 9 to lead them towards where Manchester United need to be. This has been proven. He also, does not want to be at the club. We also have an offer for him, which is quite decent.
So what is the issue here?
Just take the money, cut your losses, and move the f*** on. This is a joke, and is pretty embarrasing. Every, single, summer is the same. A joke. And utter joke.
Just get rid.
Romelu Lukaku is not good enough, to be the No 9 to lead them towards where Manchester United need to be. This has been proven. He also, does not want to be at the club. We also have an offer for him, which is quite decent.
So what is the issue here?
Just take the money, cut your losses, and move the f*** on. This is a joke, and is pretty embarrasing. Every, single, summer is the same. A joke. And utter joke.
Just get rid.
It’s not just Lukaku. Jones, Lingard, and many others are also not good enough yet they stay in the squad every year instead of being thrown out the door.
I think the wage bill being off our books is more important than the transfer value from a replacement point of view.
Our wage bill creeped past the 50% mark in 2018 (£296m with turnover of £590m) and this season our turnover will decrease due to a lack of Champions League revenue. For example the difference between ourselves and Arsenal was £46m in terms of European revenue last season. If you reduced our £590m down to £544m accordingly then our wage to turnover ratio would be nearly 55%
Add into that the possible uplift for De Gea (touted at around £20m extra), as well as the signings we've made already plus those we'll make before the deadline and I believe we'll be undesirably creeping towards the 60% mark.
I agree but you are forgetting the pay cut due to not qualifying for the champions league as well.
True enough... Whether this would offset even De Gea's potential pay rise I'm unsure.
Well, if one weights 120kg, of course his form will be on decline. But it’s up to the player to take care of himself - he can drop extra weight if he wants to. Does he want?
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