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Lukaku or Morata?
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I'd sooner have Lukaku personally. I think you've made the right choice out of the two.
The thing with the lack of running stats is we don't know how Keoman actually wants him to play, it could be that he's told to not waste energy (Rooney was vilified for running around too much and pulling himself out of position a few season ago!)
... There's no value in the market!
Who typically led the line while Morata had his standout season at Juve? Was Higuain there already or was it Mandzukic? Seems like he links up with a power forward well enough that I wouldn't be all that surprised if we signed both.
We definitely need another striker.
We definitely need another striker.
Lukaku for me - (even if we leave out the screw Real and haha Chelsea part)
I am not saying he is a better player than Morata - but he is tailor-made for the Premiership and is a much safer bet. Would Morata score a lot of goals ? Probably. But with Lukaku it's almost guaranteed.
I am not saying he is a better player than Morata - but he is tailor-made for the Premiership and is a much safer bet. Would Morata score a lot of goals ? Probably. But with Lukaku it's almost guaranteed.
Lukaku.
I really don't buy the general consensus that Lukaku isn't talented.
To get to the level where Lukaku currently finds himself needs talent. There are alot of strong and powerful guys who fail to do what Lukaku has been doing season after season.
I started knowing about Lukaku when he was still a youngster, when he was still playing in Belgium. Alot of people wanted him before he made the Chelsea switch, alot of people predicted that he will be a beast and he currently is or will be in a few seasons.
He might not have a world class first touch or the vision of Morata but that doesn't mean he is less talented than Morata.
The definition of talent has been restricted to few attributes that only accommodate a few players. We can't restrict judging talent to first touch, vision, pass accuracy, speed.... what about shot accuracy, heading accuracy, chest control, shot power? Ain't those just as important?
Lukaku is talented in his own regard, same as Morata and they both bring different attributes to the table. This doesn't automatically mean one is less talented than the other.
I really don't buy the general consensus that Lukaku isn't talented.
To get to the level where Lukaku currently finds himself needs talent. There are alot of strong and powerful guys who fail to do what Lukaku has been doing season after season.
I started knowing about Lukaku when he was still a youngster, when he was still playing in Belgium. Alot of people wanted him before he made the Chelsea switch, alot of people predicted that he will be a beast and he currently is or will be in a few seasons.
He might not have a world class first touch or the vision of Morata but that doesn't mean he is less talented than Morata.
The definition of talent has been restricted to few attributes that only accommodate a few players. We can't restrict judging talent to first touch, vision, pass accuracy, speed.... what about shot accuracy, heading accuracy, chest control, shot power? Ain't those just as important?
Lukaku is talented in his own regard, same as Morata and they both bring different attributes to the table. This doesn't automatically mean one is less talented than the other.
Yeah I agree totally with that, we really don't know if that was his job. I'd rather have a bit more effort personally but I really rate Lukaku so either or were good for me.
One thing about Jose and that is out of all the positions normally his forward has a pretty relaxed job, given freedom, not tasked with too much other than and quite simply their job is to score goals.
Morata reminds me of zlatan because zlatan especially when he was at juve was criticised a lot for over playing and would prefer to score the perfect goal and maybe pass to a team mate even though he could score himself. We saw it last season as well even though he scored 28 goals in all competitions I feel as though he could've had a lot more and was very wasteful at times. Morata is of a similar mould because he seems to be good at everything except actually putting the ball in the back of the net. In that case I feel that lukaku is the better option because he is a ruthless striker and that's what we were crying out for last seaaon. We don't need a playmaking number 9 we need a pure out and out goalscorer and that's why lukaku gets my vote.
This poll, if done last week, would have been lopsided in Morata's favour. lets be honest here
No doubt. I voted Lukaku, the day before yesterday I would have voted Morata.
I felt I had cover to do that in the OP, the question was "which did you / do you / would you prefer and why" - if it was just did you I would have answered Morata, but the facts on the ground changed.
I think Lukaku needs at least one proper supporting winger to thrive, which technically we don't have as we can still be quite slow in transition.
Saying that he is a proven goal scorer so I can't see this being a bad signing by any stretch of the imagination.
Morata was always a gamble, whether commenters here like to admit it or not. I think he's a good player but I don't know why some people think he's the next big thing.
Saying that he is a proven goal scorer so I can't see this being a bad signing by any stretch of the imagination.
Morata was always a gamble, whether commenters here like to admit it or not. I think he's a good player but I don't know why some people think he's the next big thing.
For me it is definitely Morata, both are decent players but morata is a guy i think who can help us build a good team unlike lukaku who will be essentially be a version of ibrahimovic, where in to get the best out of him we will have to tailor everybody's game around him.
Lukaku for me is technically inferior to morata, his first touch is a poor one, my biggest issue with lukaku is he far too often very static and this allows defenders half his size for eg. blind to mark him out of the game, then there is another big issue of his, his work rate, most of the times i watched him at everton he looked lackadaisical, add to that for a big strong guy he is very poor in the air. If we sign him i think he will atleast score as much as zlatan did if not more but the issues that haunted us with zlatan will continue doing so, he from what i have seen of him likes to run on to the over the top balls played to him and wants everything played through him, i don't think he is technically good enough to do any of the elaborate stuff zlatan could nor is his hold up play anywhere near good enough, ofcourse all of this is dwarfed by his goalscoring ability which i think is much better than morata's.
Morata is much better fit for this utd team than lukaku, as he is a hard worker off the ball and more importantly he brings others into play, he won't score as many goals as lukaku but with him in the team we will create more chances for rest of the team than what we will with lukaku.
Lukaku for me is technically inferior to morata, his first touch is a poor one, my biggest issue with lukaku is he far too often very static and this allows defenders half his size for eg. blind to mark him out of the game, then there is another big issue of his, his work rate, most of the times i watched him at everton he looked lackadaisical, add to that for a big strong guy he is very poor in the air. If we sign him i think he will atleast score as much as zlatan did if not more but the issues that haunted us with zlatan will continue doing so, he from what i have seen of him likes to run on to the over the top balls played to him and wants everything played through him, i don't think he is technically good enough to do any of the elaborate stuff zlatan could nor is his hold up play anywhere near good enough, ofcourse all of this is dwarfed by his goalscoring ability which i think is much better than morata's.
Morata is much better fit for this utd team than lukaku, as he is a hard worker off the ball and more importantly he brings others into play, he won't score as many goals as lukaku but with him in the team we will create more chances for rest of the team than what we will with lukaku.
There is no such thing. Schneiderlin was Premier League proven, too.
Actually it's the other way round, its Morata who is basically a younger version of Zlatan. If you compare their goalscoring records at the same age they aren't clinical but both are very all round playmaking number 9s which is exactly the problem we had last year with Zlatan in the side. We have enough technical quality in the side with guys like Mata, Mkhitaryan, Pogba in fact I believe we created more chances than Chelsea last season who won the league yet we were in the bottom half of the table for converting chances. This is exactly why we need Lukaku more than Morata even though I admit Lukaku needs to develop the technical side of his game more he will bring other players into the game in a different way with his physical frame and his link up play. It isn't the worst although with the right coaching it can improve a lot. At the same time he will guarantee you 25+ goals and he offers something different I feel to both Morata and Zlatan. If you read my previous post I also said that Zlatan isn't a pure goalscoring striker and he actually struggled earlier in his career because he was too interested in creating the perfect goal rather than scoring as many as he could and this is also Morata's issue as well which explains why he has never been first choice striker anywhere.
What about Falcao, Di Maria and others? Our last striker from a premier league club won us the league.
We don't have to select one or the other....but I'd be happy with either. Lukaku is a goalscorer who we can mold into an even better player. He did great things with Everton. He can do great things with us. Morata is a good player but you just never know. Madrid haven't built him up. God knows how he feels but you never know. I just think replacing Rooney with Lukaku is about as good as we can do at the minute. He will need to build upon his limited European experience but I'm sure he'll do good for us.
My comparison was only regarding last year's zlatan and our whole last season game was tailored to get best out of him, something which will happen again with lukaku, i agree that lukaku will score many goals for us, but we risk having the same issues as last season where if zlatan had a poor day infront of goal which he did more than few times we looked absolutely toothless as others can't step up as well as they should due to nature of our overall play.
Falcao did his knee the year we brought him and he rushed his rehab to play the World cup, Di Maria was one of the best player in the league.
Maybe if we stopped switching around the systems and the players so much and actually gave him a consistent run in the team in his preferred position I think he would have been a good player to have. Mou rushed him and Bastian out. They could have both helped us out last year and in return Morgan could have gotten a chance to prove himself in the 2nd half of the season.
So? How is that relevant to what I said?
Lukaku scores a lot.
However, the problem is not the striker getting more goals. The problem is the other attackers' inability to finish their share of the chances. Last season, Zlatan was top scorer by quite a distance. The second highest didn't even get to double figures, I believe.
The point is our striker might as well score 30+ next season but it'll count for very little if the others fail to step up. Intuitively, Morata seems the better fit to bolster our attack and bring out better performances from others
However, the problem is not the striker getting more goals. The problem is the other attackers' inability to finish their share of the chances. Last season, Zlatan was top scorer by quite a distance. The second highest didn't even get to double figures, I believe.
The point is our striker might as well score 30+ next season but it'll count for very little if the others fail to step up. Intuitively, Morata seems the better fit to bolster our attack and bring out better performances from others
And where has he done this? at Juve? At Madrid? he is an unknown quantity to lead a side looking to challenge for a title (in the same way that Lukaku is) but the thing that Lukaku brings is a history of scoring goals in this division. Last season was the best that Morata has had in his career. And he's played for sides that dominated their league, you can't say that about Lukaku and he's still got the goals he's got.
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fecking real. So happy we don't have to deal with them.
Lukaku because he's premier league proven and with him leading the line I have no doubt he'll put away a lot of the kinds of chances we missed last season.
He wasn't given enough chances. By the end of his 2nd season in Italy, Conte had plans for him to be his 1st striker. But, Madrid activated his buyback clause. Then he had to prove himself again by performing better than their first choice, Benzema.
Similarly, it can be said that Everton built their attack around Lukaku whereas Morata had to show his ability in very limited number of minutes. So, their isn't a clear winner here.
If we needed only a striker who can score, Lukaku is a better choice heck Chicharito would be better equipped than Morata. But we need a better attack in general in addition to goals. I'm not sure Lukaku can provide that
I fear that Morata would have been the better option to improve our all round attacking and bring others into the game, rather than just wait for chances. Slightly disappointed if we opted for Lukaku, and at a higher price at that. Time will tell how it works out.
I think this season we should see a better Mhiki, hopefully Martials head will be in the game from day one, and with Rashford as an impact sub we should have a better attack anyway. IF (and this is where our season lies i think) they all click and Lukaku seizes the opportunity we could have one if not the best attack in the league
Its the same price. Maybe a 5m Euro difference?
I think it's already been said, but the forward position wasn't the main problem last year. Zlatan scored plenty, but we needed the other players to step up when he was misfiring, which they failed miserably.
If the rest of the team can start hitting the net as well, then Lukaku should fill the Zlatan position no problem. I expect him to carry on where he left off with Everton.
If the rest of the team can start hitting the net as well, then Lukaku should fill the Zlatan position no problem. I expect him to carry on where he left off with Everton.
Our final offer for Morata was £66m. Madrid wanted £71m.
There's a report (in The Times, I believe) saying Lukaku's price will be £75m + £15m in easily achievable bonuses.
So around 20m more for Lukaku if that's true.
He misfired a lot though, he missed and blew so many good chances.
Madrid wanted 80m Euros for Morata and we offered 75m. Lukaku is 85m Euros which is around 75m pounds. Forget the add ons. No one has any idea how much they will be until after.
If you want to have a functioning attacking unit then Morata is by far the better player, with Lukaku you basically have to cater the whole attack to him because he's not got much in his game, he's a good finisher but little else, Morata can hold the ball up, bring others in and be a pivot that will see other attackers thrive.
I've heard that Lukaku's hold up play is poor. Why has he not improved in this regard? Is his touch so raw and heavy?
Lukaku - EPL proven goalscorer who's been leading the attacking line for a few years now with room to improve.
Morata - impact sub for most of his career and is yet to be given a leading role in any club/NT.
For the same price I'd go for Lukaku.
Morata - impact sub for most of his career and is yet to be given a leading role in any club/NT.
For the same price I'd go for Lukaku.
Yes, it's very hard to improve touch at a latter age, he's like Rooney these days, he'll have the odd blinding touch here and there but more often than not his second touch is a tackle, it's the same when he runs with the ball, it's never fully under control and his balance is poor, like he's fighting to stay upright.
Y'all are forgetting the most important thing: lukaku allowed you to flog rooney to everton 
His touch is more erratic than bad imo. I think it's something he's worked to improve rather than something that came naturally and as a result it's one of the first aspects of his play to go wayward when he's off his game.
Also, he doesn't always make as much use of his physicality as you might think, which also has an impact on his hold-up play.
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