It all depends how much Bellotti would go for. I just don't think he is worth 84m, not even in today's market.
Lukaku/Mbappe/Belotti
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It all depends how much Bellotti would go for. I just don't think he is worth 84m, not even in today's market.
If we could get Belotti for 70 million I would be the happiest guy due to watching one highlight video.
That would most likely mean we're not a big club then seeing as every time someone comes in for our best players we sell, Bayern are about to go through a transition with next season probably being Robben and Ribery's last season so they'll need funds to replace them properly.
He's not technical at all though that's the point. He has an awful first touch and isn't much of a dribbler at all. He's not what we need.
Isn't Lukaka just an another Andy Cole who ate a few more pies?
From Griezmann to Lukaku and Lacazatte.. this summer will hurts a lot even with CL football.
I know Lukaku is decent for Everton. He will be a great force at front when Mourinho sit back against big teams. Powerful, strong and fast for counter attack.
But i highly doubt his technique would fit into a team mostly dominate the game during the season. And I don't rate him much better than Rashford as well.
I am not against signing Lukaku, but he is not someone like Ruud or RVP can score 30+ league goals a season. He can be a target man to create spaces for midfielder to score. Imagine Griez behind him... should be perfect duo.
If Lacazatte joins, i would call this transfer window is a mess. From Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi (without CL) to Lacazatte, Perisic(with CL).
I know Lukaku is decent for Everton. He will be a great force at front when Mourinho sit back against big teams. Powerful, strong and fast for counter attack.
But i highly doubt his technique would fit into a team mostly dominate the game during the season. And I don't rate him much better than Rashford as well.
I am not against signing Lukaku, but he is not someone like Ruud or RVP can score 30+ league goals a season. He can be a target man to create spaces for midfielder to score. Imagine Griez behind him... should be perfect duo.
If Lacazatte joins, i would call this transfer window is a mess. From Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi (without CL) to Lacazatte, Perisic(with CL).
Lacazette or Lukaku for me. I'd take either at the moment but don't think it'll be either of them. Can see it being a position we struggle in and end up keeping Rooney to cover us until Zlatan gets back.
1) Lukaku
2) Mbappe
3) Lacazette
4) Belotti
2) Mbappe
3) Lacazette
4) Belotti
right now, i'd choose lukaku because of PL experience.
Mbappe, probably cost more than lukaku and will be a Real Madrid player within 2 seasons
Lacazette, good enough to do the job without being overly special, might struggle to have the same impact in the PL.
Belotti, I want to see another season. I don't want another "prospect" we have martial and rashford as attacking prospects/development players. We need a finished product.
Mbappe, probably cost more than lukaku and will be a Real Madrid player within 2 seasons
Lacazette, good enough to do the job without being overly special, might struggle to have the same impact in the PL.
Belotti, I want to see another season. I don't want another "prospect" we have martial and rashford as attacking prospects/development players. We need a finished product.
In order.
Mbappe - A ridiculous talent and an already very good player. I firmly believe this kid is the real deal and even if he does dream of Madrid a couple of years playing for us and a nice profit in 3/4 years time is excellent business.
Lukaku - Personally not a fan he is the definition of flat track bully and will never be an elite player. He will get goals but I don't think he is all that and may struggle being a big fish in a huge pond.
Bellotti - Not seen very much of him and I will admit what I have seen is YouTube vids. However he looks like a very good striker and his all round game is excellent, will be the cheapest of the bunch but might be a gamble.
Mbappe - A ridiculous talent and an already very good player. I firmly believe this kid is the real deal and even if he does dream of Madrid a couple of years playing for us and a nice profit in 3/4 years time is excellent business.
Lukaku - Personally not a fan he is the definition of flat track bully and will never be an elite player. He will get goals but I don't think he is all that and may struggle being a big fish in a huge pond.
Bellotti - Not seen very much of him and I will admit what I have seen is YouTube vids. However he looks like a very good striker and his all round game is excellent, will be the cheapest of the bunch but might be a gamble.
Neither RvN or RvP ever scored 30+ league in a season for us.
RvP's best was 26 (3 pens) while RvN got 25 (8 pens). We won the league in both seasons
Lukaku got 25 (1 pen) last season for the team that finished 7th.
Nobody can use goal scoring as a reason for us not to sign Lukaku. We buy him, we buy a lot of goals.
Anyone who has seen that Mbappe kid will have no doubts whatsoever that the boy is the real deal. I mean he is potentially another one of the GOATS. I know this may sound far fetched and of course, he may end up never getting anywhere near that level for a thousand and one reasons but in terms of potential, he certainly has it. Unbelievable pace, dribbling skills, vision, off the ball movement, shooting accuracy, name it and at what age again? It's insane. Fortunately for him, he belongs to a new generation of French players many people are tipping to win the World Cup soon.
It will hurt if United is not seriously bidding for that guy. If I had the check book, I would have no problems signing big money for him.
As for the rest, it all depends on what Jose is looking for. If the emphasis is on champaign football, Lacazette has the technique, calmness and finesse from the little (a few Ligue 1 games, some highlights and about four games in the Europa League tourney) I have seen of him. There is a beauty to his play. He's like an artist who is self aware. He's not particularly your dangerous, take-the-game-by-the-scruff-of-the-neck kind of player, but he does seem to play with intelligence and grace. I think he will best fit into the 'United way' kind of football.
However, if the emphasis is on bulldozing our way through teams with heart, pace and power, it will have to be Lukaku for me. I hear all sorts of criticisms directed at him but he has really improved his football. This season was it for me. His touches have improved and so has his hold up play. Well, we all know about his sheer power and goalscoring instinct. I think that with the right caste around him, he can be a lethal centre forward. One other important factor that plays for Romelu is his hunger and ambition. He clearly wants to play for a top team at the highest level. United could be his chance and he probably knows it better than anyone else.
It will hurt if United is not seriously bidding for that guy. If I had the check book, I would have no problems signing big money for him.
As for the rest, it all depends on what Jose is looking for. If the emphasis is on champaign football, Lacazette has the technique, calmness and finesse from the little (a few Ligue 1 games, some highlights and about four games in the Europa League tourney) I have seen of him. There is a beauty to his play. He's like an artist who is self aware. He's not particularly your dangerous, take-the-game-by-the-scruff-of-the-neck kind of player, but he does seem to play with intelligence and grace. I think he will best fit into the 'United way' kind of football.
However, if the emphasis is on bulldozing our way through teams with heart, pace and power, it will have to be Lukaku for me. I hear all sorts of criticisms directed at him but he has really improved his football. This season was it for me. His touches have improved and so has his hold up play. Well, we all know about his sheer power and goalscoring instinct. I think that with the right caste around him, he can be a lethal centre forward. One other important factor that plays for Romelu is his hunger and ambition. He clearly wants to play for a top team at the highest level. United could be his chance and he probably knows it better than anyone else.
We've sold Cristiano, but only after another hugely successful season and for a world record fee, when his latin head has was firmly turned to Madrid. De Gea is probably the next player you have in mind, however he's still at the club and that won't necessarily change in the near future. We're a big club from financial point of view, as well as historically, though in football terms we're in turbulent phase of transition since 2013.
Looking at Bayern's net transfer costs since 2013 and taking into account their record financial results for 15/16 season it looks like they're very much in position of strength.
2015/16- net transfer result: -€55.5 million club's profit after tax: €33.0 million
2014/15- net transfer result: €0.3 million club's profit after tax: €23.8 million
2013/14- net transfer result: -€22 million club's profit after tax: £13m million
https://www.transfermarkt.com/fc-bayern-munchen/alletransfers/verein/27
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It really confuses me why so many people turn their noses up at Lukaku.
For a 23 year old striker who's played at West Brom and Everton of all places, his scoring record is very impressive.
He's young, archetypal for what you want in a PL striker (big and fast), is PL-proven, and has a lot of upside. We'd be idiots not to sign him, and furthermore, allow one of our rivals to snatch him up.
For a 23 year old striker who's played at West Brom and Everton of all places, his scoring record is very impressive.
He's young, archetypal for what you want in a PL striker (big and fast), is PL-proven, and has a lot of upside. We'd be idiots not to sign him, and furthermore, allow one of our rivals to snatch him up.
Is Icardi injured or sumthing that we never seem to get linked with him, seems to have another good season in italy, or has he agreed to go elsewhere ?
I've gone for Belotti, purely based on FIFA 17 stats.
Cos why not - it's muppet season.
Cos why not - it's muppet season.
Its his price tag that puts me off personally. Still unproven at the highest level, and seems to go hiding in key games.
Yes his scoring record is good, but so is Defoe's.
I wouldn't want to pay more than €60m for him personally.
That would be because the man was a giant in every stage he played on!
Considering price quoted and risk involved
Lacazette>Lukaku>Belotti>Mbappe for me.
Lacazette>Lukaku>Belotti>Mbappe for me.
That would be the absolute worst case scenario. Keeping a striker literally no top team wants, to cover a great, but ageing striker who is coming back from an ACL. There is NO WAY KNOWN Mourinho will let that happen. No matter how much he talked up Rooney being "ready to play" etc his actions spoke louder than his words, and he played Rooney on the bench in the second half of the year. He will buy someone for sure.
Oh God yeah I know, I was just thinking what would be the worst possible way to go into next season?
I'd take Andy Cole in a heart beat. Shame there is no one around like that and available.
the amount of people voting mbappe jesus christ... Lukaku is a 24 year old striker who has banged in goals consistently in the worlds hardest league, proven and will only get better and a lot cheaper than mbappe, who has had 6 good months in the french league... We need a serious striker, we already have two excellent kids
PL proven is becoming more and more important, and yet, more and more undervalued!
Rom guarantees goals, this season he went no more than 4 PL games without scoring, and that's for Everton.
Zlatan went 6 PL games without scoring, and that's with the whole United team built around him.
Gimme a PL proven hitman CF over an expensive gamble any day of the week.
Rom guarantees goals, this season he went no more than 4 PL games without scoring, and that's for Everton.
Zlatan went 6 PL games without scoring, and that's with the whole United team built around him.
Gimme a PL proven hitman CF over an expensive gamble any day of the week.
Thinking about the names being thrown around and the rumored price tags Aubameyang might be the best value for the money.
100 Mio for an 18 year old who had one outstanding season?
80+ for Lukaku?
70+ for some Italian lad who has not been on anyone's radar a year ago?
Kane would be the only striker who be worth anywhere near 100 Mio right now (Lewa and Suarez as well) in my opinion.
If we get a left winger maybe Martial will be worth a try?
100 Mio for an 18 year old who had one outstanding season?
80+ for Lukaku?
70+ for some Italian lad who has not been on anyone's radar a year ago?
Kane would be the only striker who be worth anywhere near 100 Mio right now (Lewa and Suarez as well) in my opinion.
If we get a left winger maybe Martial will be worth a try?
Belotti strikes me as a player who relies on the counter attacking style and on width, neither of which we seem to want to do, or actually can't do against the "park the bus" sides we should have beaten in 16/17. We've also got the likes of Rashford and Martial who can play on the counter attack against the better sides who actually want the ball. What we need is a player who can create goals from nothing and is a proven scorer in the premier league. Mbappe isn't proven and Lukaku, for me, isn't a create from nothing/unlock defences type of player. If we're going to have to spend big I'd want Kane or Aguerro as consistently proven PL strikers, the latter of whom I can't stand.
Thinking about this seriously for a second and Lukaku makes the most sense thinking about where we struggled last season.
He's a flat track bully and fair enough that can be held against him but we desperately need someone to out those lower sides to the sword.
I think he'll work well in a counter attacking side as well due to his pace so he should fit our side well.
He's a flat track bully and fair enough that can be held against him but we desperately need someone to out those lower sides to the sword.
I think he'll work well in a counter attacking side as well due to his pace so he should fit our side well.
Lukaku for reasons I've stated before, PL proven, young, and I truly believe Jose will know how to use him, he's ready for stardom, let him do it at United
Issue is we weren't countering jack against most teams we needed goals against.
Like I said though he's a flat track bully against the sides we were struggling against last season. That's one of the main criticisms of him in this thread.
Yeah, but he flat track bullies them in far more open games than we face. His first touch is abysmal so I'm not convinced he can transfer his goalscoring exploits. I'd rather Morata and I don't even want Morata.
Who do you want? I'm of the belief we could turn him into a star and polish his game up a bit.
Ranked
CR9 - I know, but he would be perfect for us
Kane - won't happen
Agüero - neither
Mbappe - will cost a bomb and one season
Lacazette - solid acquisition
Belotti - the one I think we could polish a bit
Cavani - getting on but perfect for us
Morata - don't want
Lukaku - don't want
And Ronaldo scores
So Lacazette then.
Ranked
CR9 - I know, but he would be perfect for us
Kane - won't happen
Agüero - neither
Mbappe - will cost a bomb and one season
Lacazette - solid acquisition
Belotti - the one I think we could polish a bit
Cavani - getting on but perfect for us
Morata - don't want
Lukaku - don't want
And Ronaldo scores
So Lacazette then.
So of the realistic ones.
Lacazette - I can understand and would be happy for us to get him. Problem being Mourinho doesn't use those types of strikers. (Benzema possibly only exception, and that wasn't exactly by choice)
Mbappe - Rashford already here and isn't being trusted to lead the line due to age.
Belotti - One season same as Mbappe, not as young but more a Jose striker. Would take but rate Lukaku as offering everything he does and more. (Speed, hold up)
Cavani - Very wasteful, needs a good few chances to score much like we suffered with last season. I want someone more clinical.
Morata - Doesn't hit the back of the net enough. Even in his best season as Juve he still didn't put up great numbers. Think he'd work better in a 2 striker formation.
Lukaku - By no means perfect. Can be very wasteful at times. PL proven, scores hatfuls against the lesser sides. Approaching peak age in the next couple of seasons.
I'd probably take Lukaku, Lacazette, Belotti. If they all cost the same I'd go for Lukaku. For the prices mentioned I'd possibly go Lacazette.
Belotti is stupid money for a player that has had one good season and his all round game isn't much better than Lukakus
The CL Final is on. Why the shit are you guys discussing this now?
I can watch a game and comment on players at the same time
Because football on TV doesn't stop the missus asking me to boil water, wash milk bottles or feed the babies. Typing on the phone could be work.
We just can't go into the season without signing at least a striker! We're losing Zlatan and Rooney.
I think some people just aren't that interested in watching football, other than the team they support obviously.