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Luis Suarez
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The racism aspect, while obviously important, is blindsiding us to the underlying motivation: "win at all costs", regardless of sporting and/or other morals. I find that mindset to be despicable; others may not.
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I think you're right that he was referring to the witch hunt in the rags after the attempted biting incident.
It did get a bit out of hand in fairness, the FA gave into pressure from public opinion and even David Cameron was mouthing off about it.
I recall a lot of nonsense in the FA report about them taking it more seriously as it was the top trending thing on twitter at the time...
Truth is if someone random like Jon Flanagan had done it nobody really would have given a f*ck, its happened before without punishment even.
I enjoy watching him play but if it means weakening Liverpool then I hope the hacks keep trying to unsettle him.
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1) They always do - I think they react to media dictates because they fear deeper scrutiny (of their general, overall capability) from the press if they don't act.
2) Yep. Blair used to bandwagon in this way too.
What an idiot. He covered himself in glory yesterday and the media were all over him (in a positive way), as they have been all season. Despite having previous for being a racist, a thug and a cheat, they have basically just let it all slide in light of his undoubted talent. What's the point in him sending out a big "feck you" to them, and why is he still convinced that he is not/was not in the wrong?
Just a casual observer of the player mind you but he always struck me as exactly that - someone who is seeking to gain a winning advantage, regardless of how it's done. So I have no idea if he is a racist or nutter but he will go to the mat to win for his team.
On the one hand, he's not a player you necessarily would want to support in your team but you also do not want to face him very often.
So indeed it is despicable from an ethical point of view although I also empathise with the feeling of keeping your enemies closer
I'm 100% convinced he isn't a racist but he's ready to use racist insults, remarks to wind up opponents and gain an advantage.
I also don't think he's a racist. He had a racist blip but I honestly think it was in the heat of the moment against Liverpool's biggest rivals.
I'm finding it really difficult now to dislike the guy considering how good he is. Attitude wise, he's had a pretty good season from the top of my head. I'm sure I'll start disliking him again once the season starts and seeing him in Liverpool colours.
I'm finding it really difficult now to dislike the guy considering how good he is. Attitude wise, he's had a pretty good season from the top of my head. I'm sure I'll start disliking him again once the season starts and seeing him in Liverpool colours.
I kinda agree with your first point but the 'heat of the moment thing' is a stretch to say the least - surely a frustrated or angry player's first resort isn't to racially abuse an opponent?
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I think he's cnut enough to safely assume it was all premeditated.
That's another possible aspect - perhaps he thought that incidents like this one & the Ivanovic one would see him shipped out from LFC.
A "blip" would be saying it once, but didn't he say it 7 times?
He isn't racist, that's pretty sure. His grandfather is apparently black so it would be very strange if Suarez would be racist. Then many black players (for both Liverpool and Uruguay) said that Suarez hasn't ever mistreated them or something like that. And you can see him laughing and playing with them so I doubt there is even a slight possibility that he is a racist.
He is a cnut and years ago I would have agreed with you that it was premediatated but after a few years watching him week in week out, I am not sure about it anymore. He just seems a very stupid person (like Balotelli) who doesn't think for consequences when he does something (I am talking about the biting incident). On Evra's case, I think that he used racist words to make Evra go batshit crazy and get send of or something like that.
Still, a cnut and an idiot but I don't think that he's exactly the villain figure which has been portrayed.
When one's saying things like "[kicked you] because you're black" or "don't speak to blacks", I have no problem branding them as racists.
Evra said that, Suarez denied it. No-one else heard it and there is no TV footage that proves it. Suarez admitted that he called Evra one time 'negro/negrito' but that was on friendly terms (which apparently happens all the time in South America), but that is hard to believe considering the circumstances and the rivalrly.
However, the procesverbal was incredibly dodgy and I really doubt that on a true process (I mean not football related) Suarez would have been 'guilty'.
I've heard this from a lot of people that Suarez' grandfather is black (dark skinned). If that is true (I haven't done any research so it could have been a lie), then I would find strange if you are racist on black people.
Edit: Apparently Liverpool mentioned this too.
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I have a mother. This means I'm not sexist
That's taking it too far, ridiculous thing to say.
I'm sorry but I don't think both of them are related.
It reminds me of the classic excuse that racists use "I can't be racist, some of my friends are black". Just because you know a person of certain demographic, doesn't mean you can't be a cnut to other persons of that demographic. Just because I've dated women in the past doesn't mean I won't make sexist statements.
Also it seems that you haven't bothered to read report by FA detailing Suarez's charges. Have a look at them, the commission reveals exactly why they thought Evra was a credible witness and Suarez wasn't.
The specific point is this: the FA (its independent panel, in truth) had to judge whether Suarez was guilty of racism in that particular incident, not whether he's a full-time racist.
Racism is prejudice based on race. Suarez is a cnut to every opponent regardless of race. If Evra was white he'd probably find another way to try and rile him up.
Obviously Suarez having an Afro-American grandfather doesn't guarantee that he isn't a racist, but I think that it is unlikely that you both have DNA of a race an still abuse people of that race on a racist way. It is possible (and obviously if someone is a racist then he either is evil, or stupid or both so probably a normal person thinking doesn't work) but I would say that is unlikely. I also think that is different having black friends with having Afro-American origin.
I don't think that the sexist analogy works.
I have read the FA statement (Suarez differing his words while Evra being calm and staying by his word) and I was glad that Suarez got punished for it. Even if he didn't meant it ('negrito' in S.America in many circumstances is the equivalent of 'mate') he should have known that you can't use some words considering that he has lived in Europe for many years. However FA statement also says that they don't believe that Suarez is racist and that being accused for using racist words isn't the same as being racist. Considering his origin, his friends, what they say about him, I find very unlikely that Suarez is a racist despite that he used the n-word.
Guardian journalists determined to be bitter and classless.
Here's a bit more context on 'proving them wrong':
"The England coach said I was a proven Premier League player, but not world class," Suarez told El Observador.
"So there is the answer. He sees me all year and he knows my worth as a player and a person."
England was asking for it.
He called Evra negro and not negrito. The word Negrito isn't mentioned in the commission's report.
You don't need to make things up to get your point across.
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How come us scouts don't get a time machine like you lot?
*pouts*
I jest, no way you can't have pulled women. That pink shirtThat's below the belt, man
That's the only perk of being a mod!
I jest, no way you can't have pulled women. That pink shirt
Are you confusing me with Tdon?
no I'm pretty sure you posted a picture of you dancing in a pink shit and sunglasses in the newbs before. Actually I'm 100% sure as I printed it off and hung it on my wall.
And the commission's belief that he isn't racist, is it to be ignored?
Which is what makes you racist?
Point me out where I said he's a serial racist?
Was just contesting the fact that he had a black grandfather doesn't mean he's not a racist.
All right, cheers, misinterpretation on my part
The irony here is that I had pretty much forgotten him bawling his eyes out after the Palace game until he brought it up again, and DM provided the photos. So,
While I admit you can argue there's a moral distinction between racially abusing a black man because you hate black people and racially abusing a black man because you're hoping it will give you an edge in a game of football, I think you can also argue that the perpetrator in either scenario is a cnut of the highest order.
If said cnut then refuses to shake the hand of the black man before their next game of football after being punished for said racial abuse well then, draw your own conclusions...
If said cnut then refuses to shake the hand of the black man before their next game of football after being punished for said racial abuse well then, draw your own conclusions...
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