There's planning and then there's planning. The bite may be an additional trigger. Plus, it could be argued that Cesc wasn't going to accept being a makeweight. He's lived in London most of his adult life and wanted a London club. Furthermore, if Liverpool have had a long term plan in place it might be better for them to look to Sanchez as a makeweight. Again, this is not a deal breaker (from what I've read) but may be Liverpool's preferred option if player + cash is on the table.
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There's planning and then there's planning. The bite may be an additional trigger. Plus, it could be argued that Cesc wasn't going to accept being a makeweight. He's lived in London most of his adult life and wanted a London club. Furthermore, if Liverpool have had a long term plan in place it might be better for them to look to Sanchez as a makeweight. Again, this is not a deal breaker (from what I've read) but may be Liverpool's preferred option if player + cash is on the table.
I don't think he can call the shots with that unless he says "if you don't let me leave I'll bite someone again" which would obviously force Liverpool into a sale. I brought it up because it seems fairly obvious Liverpool (or anyone) can't control him on the pitch and he's liable to just lose the rag and lash out again. I think with all arguments considered now is the time to sell and reinvest.
That is the scenario I was thinking of. Maybe not so bluntly, but a reminder of what another indiscretion may result in, and it would be more likely if he felt unhappy.
nudge nudge.Apparently FIFA have backtracked and said he can train.
Source?
I don't understand why Barca want him to be fair. They can have any player in the world and as good as Suarez is he's simply an embarrassment and will hurt Barcelona's image numerous time.
I've spoken with two of my Barca mates though and they absolutely adore him though. It's apparent that player's character isn't really an issue as long as he scores goals.
I've spoken with two of my Barca mates though and they absolutely adore him though. It's apparent that player's character isn't really an issue as long as he scores goals.
The Barcelona affect?
Even ignoring his controversy I'm not sure what makes them think another pricey attacker is what they need. Messi, Neymar, Alexis, Pedro and Deulofeu (Tello + Cuenca should go) is more than good enough with players like Adama in the B team too.
Alexis will go if Suárez joins obviously, but that's still a good £30m/£40m that could be used in defence instead of being forced to buy average players like Mathieu.
It's been mentioned before obviously, but I'm still scratching my head as to where exactly is he going to play? They surely wont be moving Messi from his central position?
He played on the right for Ajax for a few seasons didn't he? I'd guess he'll play there, but won't be as restricted as Pedro/Alexis were this season.
If Messi is moved to the right to accomodate him it'll be a travesty.
If Messi is moved to the right to accomodate him it'll be a travesty.
I can't see their front line working as Neymar, Messi, Ratface. They're all individualists whole need to be the focal point of the team to get the best out of them. If they can piece it together somehow, they'll be nigh on unstoppable though.
I do really hope he does something disgraceful in a classico, like biting one of Carlo Ancelotti's chins.
I do really hope he does something disgraceful in a classico, like biting one of Carlo Ancelotti's chins.
Or his raised eyebrow. I would like to see him bite Pepe though. We might finally see a proper aul brawl in a match.
He played a fair bit last season on the inside left in the space between full back and defender. I'd imagine that's where he'd play.
I don't see it ending in anything but tears. He'll go there, score lots of goals and everyone will think he's a star but then of a final of a Copa del ray or a CL final or the La Liga title decider things won't be going his way and he'll attack someone else. For much of his time at Liverpool have been an upper-mid-table side. When he's playing with pressure to win every week and to deliver trophies then I'm not sure whether he's mentally prepared to get through that without having one of his psychotic lapses of judgement and fits of rage.
He did but Neymar occupies that area at Barcelona at the minute.
Tough decision, hard to see a way to get the best out of Messi, Suárez AND Neymar without harming the balance of the team.
Didn't he play as a wide forward for a fair amount of games this season? And he did play there for Ajax as mentioned. He'll be alright position-wise; Messi and Neymar love interchanging and drifting around for the ball.
Chiellini's influence, I would imagine. He's constantly said he thinks the punishment is harsh and that counts for a lot with something so high profile.
It really shouldn't, mind. I can't help but wonder if he's been saying these things as he's inclined to state whatever he can to limit the chance of some nutter trying to murder him.
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I think Barca will really struggle next season, especially if they get Suarez.
It's like they're trying to move away from tiki taka, and trying to emulate the Madrid club's approaches, but the key difference is that they don't have the solid spines that the other two both have.
And with their signings so far they won't even be able to fall back on tiki taka. Rakitic is a good player but he's no Xavi, they're losing their tempo man. And then with Suarez they'll have three selfish forwards who all want time on the ball, who all like to dwell on the ball, and who all need to be the centre of attention.
It's like they're trying to move away from tiki taka, and trying to emulate the Madrid club's approaches, but the key difference is that they don't have the solid spines that the other two both have.
And with their signings so far they won't even be able to fall back on tiki taka. Rakitic is a good player but he's no Xavi, they're losing their tempo man. And then with Suarez they'll have three selfish forwards who all want time on the ball, who all like to dwell on the ball, and who all need to be the centre of attention.
Will it be terrible if he stayed at Liverpool? He missed 6 games at the beginning of last season. Isn't scheduled to come back before November next season. Also, can't train with the team till that time. From his statements and behavior it doesn't seem he has any regrets for his actions. Which mean that he is likely to pull similar stunts in the future too. Next season the ref's will be wiser to his antics then they already were. The diving, cheating, trying to hurt opponents, acting like cnut etc. isn't going to stop any time soon. There could be more cautions/red cards, with the punishment harsher each subsequent time in lieu of his past behavior. May be he'll throw a strop for not getting his transfer wish for two seasons in row.
I wouldn't care if this deal with Barca doesn't work out and he stayed.
I wouldn't care if this deal with Barca doesn't work out and he stayed.
My feeling is whilst him staying would be bad for Liverpool it would also be bad for English football. I don't want him in the Premier League.
That's the point. He's not going to be the focal point of their attack because that'll always be Messi, is he better than Sanchez and Neymar? Yes, at the minute he is but Neymar could surpass him and Sanchez has done terrific job there so far as well, doesn't deserve the boot at all. It will be €50m down the drain because they won't be much better off and will still need to address more pressing issues.
Tony Barrett has said this could drag on until we get an answer from Sanchez.
Pretty sure he's given you your answer.
Barca are just weird. They've resisted signing a defender for ages and kept shoehorning midfielders there. Now I hear that they want to sign a winger (Cuadrado) to play as RB and they are about to buy a striker/second striker to play him as a winger presumably.
Apparently Barca are going to play without wingers next season, according to many at Barca forums:
---------- Biscuits ----------
Rakatic --------------- Iniesta
----------- Messi ------------
----- Neymar -- Suarez -------
Which is why they are looking to offload Sanchez and maybe Pedro.
---------- Biscuits ----------
Rakatic --------------- Iniesta
----------- Messi ------------
----- Neymar -- Suarez -------
Which is why they are looking to offload Sanchez and maybe Pedro.
I wouldn't say his value has fallen too far. Besides he can advertise dentures, toothpaste among other things.....
I would say Suarez is angling for a move but purely for financial gain. He will go for 60m or more and he stands to make a great deal from at transfer as would his agent. I don't think his value will have fallen much at all and he will get a good rest after a long season and start fresh in November. His age is one thing that is going against him now for his style of play. I would say he has another 3 years at the top of his game but his work rate will decline in his early 30s.
Doesn't look like it would work all that well, despite the obvious class of all the players in there.
Messi runs the show at Barcelona and you can't help thinking other attacking players don't have much chance of completely succeeding in his wake. None of Ibrahimovic, Neymar, Pedro, Sanchez, Villa have ever seemed consistently comfortable at Barca and I think there is a clear reason.
Agree. Messi is a cnut to be fair. I hate these 'super players' that basically run the team.
The other players' main job is to supply Messi. Not sure how Suarez is going to like that when he is used to being the "Messi" in his team.
A cnut for being too good?
See also the poor form so far of all other Argentinian attacking players at the WC.
No. I just can't stand him. I heard the other day that the Barca President "phone Messi to check if it's ok to sign Suarez."
He think he's bigger than the club.
I haven't seen anything like that, but plenty of teams are built around a certain player.
They are but Messi/Barca is on a different level. He's always consulted about this & that, it's not right.
Take Argentina - the manager had to change formations half way through a world cup campaign to keep the midget happy. Can you imagine Fergie taking that kinda crap from one of his players? They'd be out of the door ASAP!
As i say, i haven't heard or seen anything like that.
To keep him happy, or to ensure they get the best out of him? If you have a player that good, it's worth playing to his strengths. And Fergie had a similar thing in recent years with Rooney. If Rooney had acted like that 10-15 years ago i think he'd have been sold in a heartbeat.
He's their best player and the only person that can probably get them out of the stink they're in. Argentina are looking really flat. If I had to change the system to get the best out of a player like Messi I would gladly do it.
That's a bit harsh on him. It's nothing new to change a formation/system to get the best and accommodate your best player.
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