Fact is that we've been doing well since the booing incident - curve pointing upwards. Valencia hasn't been terrible in the same period and as such Moyes has been justified in not picking Nani - who may not be in his best form. He'll get his chances as the season progresses - unless giving him a new five year deal was really just a ploy to get more money from a January sale. Which I don't believe for one second.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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He didn't really. If you read the post he responded to and pay attention to the last line in it and in the first in his it's clear which game he was talking about.
But it is. Even the West Brom game people keep going on about it he failed to find a Utd player with his crosses.
It was chipped into the middle with no pace on the ball straight to a Sunderland player. Even if it reached a Utd player it would've taken a great header to get a goal. It was a shit cross and people claiming otherwise should be pointed at and ridiculed.
He wasn't on about the Sunderland game.
He found a United head twice in the first half alone. On top of that he whipped in two very dangerous balls into Hernandez, the latter of which Hernandez was slow to react. Nani has created openings when played this season. He had a bad game against Stoke, but generally speaking, has played quite well thus far.
Take Kagawa, he has no goals or assists either, yet he's created at least one major goalscoring opportunity in each game he has played.
Our wide men aren't at their best, but they have, at times, been let down by some poor finishing courtesy of the forwards.
Nani has done nothing to make Moyes unjustified in choosing Valencia, bright sparks here and there but not much more than that. Valencia hasnt been brilliant either of course but he has had some excellent games this season (Leverkusen, Sociedad) and was decent enough against Arsenal. I think he gives us better width than Nani as well, which I prefer when we have Kagawa on the left.
Exactly. Add Giggs in there too.
And many posters on here gripe about our players playing it safe too often.
I'm all for players like Rooney, Giggs, Januzaj and Nani fully expressing themselves. It can be annoying, but their quality is unquestionable and have the performances and stats to back it up.
Yes he was. He was responding to my post about it.
I don't recall the headers. I'm happy to be contradicted with evidence though.
Second paragraph is bullshit. We only need to go back to his last game to see that.
Watch the video. It isn't difficult to spot.
I'll adjust my second point slightly, just so we can include Kagawa's last game: he has played a role in an attacking move that has led to a major goalscoring opportunity in each game he has played this season. Prior to the Arsenal game, he has created a great goalscoring chance in pretty much every game he has played.
Apart from the last sentence, you could almost make that exact same post but swap Valencia for Nani & vice versa & change the teams Nani has done well against.
Rooney and Januzaj are hardly good examples to bring up. The reason they may be CAF favourites this season is that they have consistently been good performers in the games they have played this season and that puts them a notch above pretty much all the other attacking players, other than RVP who is coming into some form and still has been productive this season.
The rest of the attacking players, particularly the wide players, have all been indifferent and have had for me very similar starts to the season. Some bright moments or occasional good performers interspersed with indifferent form. Put it like this, all the experienced wide players have been given enough games to have nailed a first team place if they were in good form and none of them have quite managed to do it.
I can't see any real unjust criticism of the wide players from anyone. It's pretty balanced to be honest. If anything, despite not wanting him to get into the first eleven, I think the level of criticism Young gets is over the top.
The wide spots are wide open at the moment. Whoever has a good little run of games will get the nod. Nani did, so he played. He played shit, then was dropped. Valencia started off the season alright. Played shit, then was dropped. Now that Nani played shit, Valencia is back in, and he's doing well.
It's a similar story with Kagawa and Januzaj, albeit Januzaj hasn't played poorly. It's just his age and inexperience will determine how he is managed. Januzaj has been the best out of the four. The other three have all had good games, average games and the odd bad game. It's all to play for.
It's a similar story with Kagawa and Januzaj, albeit Januzaj hasn't played poorly. It's just his age and inexperience will determine how he is managed. Januzaj has been the best out of the four. The other three have all had good games, average games and the odd bad game. It's all to play for.
Actually It was Moyes who praised Nani for good cross after that game, and I don't think Moyes has agenda against our unfashionable winges.
He was very good against west brom. Anyone who can't see that is a big clueless.
It or they? If you can give me the time in that it happens I'll have a look. Watching Money May's videos is even more tedious than this debate.
Comparatively very good? Yes. Actually very good? Debateable.
Spot on. Given how inconsistent our wingers were last season we really are crying out for someone to produce a sustained period of consistent form.
If you want to get all nitpicky between comparatively very good or actually, then some of Rooneys performances have definitely been the former this season. Either way, was very happy with his performance that day.
I'm not watching it again. If you have time then watch the first 5 minutes. Nani hits a United head - Rooney should do better on one of them - twice and whips in two very dangerous balls into Hernandez. He played well in that game. Anybody who can't see that is another one of those Nani detractors that criticise him, and then expect him to play like the second coming of Christ due to his 'talent'. He wasn't brilliant or anything, but he had a good game.For the record I have no problem with Nani, to the best of my memory he has not been so impressive this season. Personally he should be up there with Van Persie and Rooney as the attackers this team relies on, for some reason or another he hasn't. Not to mention since he has been dropped we have strung together a good set of results, sometimes the best team is not simply putting the bets players in.
You won't hear me arguing the point on Rooney either. Most of the praise for Rooney has come from how hard he's been working which is strange given we were told there was no problem with his effort last season.
Go away.
Your post is ridiculous, just as ridiculous as the one in the booing thread. Some of Nani's crosses are aimed at a particular spot - it's up to players to try and get to that spot to connect with ball. Your post is so naive and bitter. Valencia uses the same technique to cross, too. What an absurd post.
Bitter about what? The only thing that might make me bitter is having to watch your shitty little videos. Unlike Nani Valencia has some assists and goals this season though. Doesn't stop people whining about him.
If they make you bitter, then don't watch them. Work on your insults, too. Using stats to justify your beliefs is amazingly puerile. Both wingers have been good this season, I have no problem with either one, but you bringing up the stats argument, when Valencia only has one more goal and one more assist than Nani pretty much sums up your argument. It's ridiculous - the season isn't over yet. What's even more ridiculous is your perception of how we should grade a cross. Every coach would laugh and disagree with the laughable post of yours on the previous page.
Goals are a little more than stats. He's got two more than Nani. Same for the assists too. Do you not watch the games when you're making your videos?
Where did I grade a cross? As I've already told you when you were boring me before he put in a couple of decent crosses but this is the very point. People are using this game as proof he should be starting every week when it's little more than a decent performance. They are so desperate to be able to turn round and say I told you so that they blow his contributions out of all proportion. If that's the best he has to offer it's little wonder another manager would rather pick other players.
He's got two more goals than Nani and one more assist, if you use transfermarkt. Even if you use the WhoScored stats two goals and two assists for Valencia doesn't mean much. I do watch games over again and thank God I do because I say a whole lot more, and I'm more open-minded than you. Where's the stat for the two balls Nani put in vs. Southampton? Or the four crosses vs. West Brom?
You graded his crosses here:
So judging by your logic, because the crosses failed to meet a United player, they were poor. Right, because that's exactly how the system works.
So, basing on your previous posts, do you think that Nani was better than Valencia two seasons ago when Valencia won our POTY because Nani's stats were better? He scored twice more than Valencia did after all.
And btw your comment on MoneyMay's video is really childlish, the man is doing very good job with his compilations and yet there are people like you who will dispute anything. He contributed football forum with his videos in last few months more than you will ever contribute with your shitty little posts.
Dude said Nani vs West Brom was a better performance than Valencia vs Leverkusen. He replied he was very poor in that game.
This is a pointless argument but ok
No he didn't. He responded directly to the last line that talked about the Stoke game.
His videos are fecking dreadful.
How did you ever get promoted?
Oh wait, was the promotion system in place when you joined?
I don't want to impose, but really man - that's uncalled for. He puts a lot of effort into making these compilations and many on here enjoy 'em.
I don't care though.
You have yet to respond to my point about you grading players crosses based on if it hits intended target. It really is one of the worst arguments ever, no exaggeration. See Nani's cross to Fletcher against Everton in 2010 and then compare it with the ones against West Brom.
No no need to make your disagreements about players personal. So childish.
Lots of posters appreciate MoneyMay's videos, and he puts a lot of effort into making them.
You're having a nightmare here number9. Probably best to leave it...
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