Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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All I'm saying is I could post a highlight video of say Anderson from a selection of top games he's had for us and dominated the midfield proving what he's capable of on his day but is that enough for us to keep faith in the player after a string of poor performances? I'm aware over a period of a season Nani has shown the sort of consistency and talent we all wish and hope for from him week in out but how much time and how many games do you give a player to pursue and wish for him (not just Nani) to find that kind of form again?

With players like Bebe and Obertan we were quick to see and have the opinion they weren't good enough but players like Nani and Anderson is it a case of (sorry to coin the old phrase) form is temporary class is permanent? Viewing videos of what players have done in the past, does this give them some sort of extra life line and automatically warrant being more patient with them?
 
A five minute video of Obertan skills and goals can be deceptive because we know now from having watched him for a period of years, he's not very good. A five minute video of Nani performing well isn't deceptive because again we have seen that he can go through seasons playing at that level, something Obertan could never do. Hell, he couldn't take a great performance into the next match forget about a seasons worth. I see it as a pointless comparison because with Obertan we know he isn't capable of being a great winger, Nani on the other hand can be one of the best in the world. Youtube videos don't dictate your expectations of a player, as in I don't watch a youtube video of Nani's goals and assists and then expect him to score or assist in each game because of it, but they can be used to re-affirm and remind us of some of the great games and moments we have seen from him, especially after the back of last season where he was barely involved. You watching a video of Obertan before he played for United, and then watching a video of Nani playing for United after being here for a matter of years and contributing to success isn't really comparable.

Even so, taking it purely on the basis of 5 minute highlight videos, anyone should be able to see the vast difference in talent between Nani and Obertan.

When on form, Nani is one of the most dangerous players in the world. He can be inconsistent and frustrating, but I'd still rather keep him. He's approaching his peak and there's every chance we'll see the real Nani re-emerge this season. I'd like to see him do that in a United shirt.

Met some "big United fan" here in Cork the other night who spent about 5 minutes shouting about Nani being "useless" and "fecking shite". I told him he didn't have a fecking clue, needed his head testing. Absolute bellwhaft.
 
All I'm saying is I could post a highlight video of say Anderson from a selection of top games he's had for us and dominated the midfield proving what he's capable of on his day but is that enough for us to keep faith in the player after a string of poor performances? I'm aware over a period of a season Nani has shown the sort of consistency and talent we all wish and hope for from him week in out but how much time and how many games do you give a player to pursue and wish for him (not just Nani) to find that kind of form again?

With players like Bebe and Obertan we were quick to see and have the opinion they weren't good enough but players like Nani and Anderson is it a case of (sorry to coin the old phrase) form is temporary class is permanent? Viewing videos of what players have done in the past, does this give them some sort of extra life line and automatically warrant being more patient with them?

Don't compare Nani to Anderson, their situations are nothing alike. One was brilliant for almost two years straight and just had a bad season last year, the other has never really got going in the first place.

Your whole argument is silly, what's wrong with posting a Youtube vid of some of his best bits? It's not like anyone is trying to use it as proof to him being a good player.
 
All I'm saying is I could post a highlight video of say Anderson from a selection of top games he's had for us and dominated the midfield proving what he's capable of on his day but is that enough for us to keep faith in the player after a string of poor performances? I'm aware over a period of a season Nani has shown the sort of consistency and talent we all wish and hope for from him week in out but how much time and how many games do you give a player to pursue and wish for him (not just Nani) to find that kind of form again?

You are talking like he's been complete shite since that season when that's not been the case. His numbers alone from 2010-2012 are fantastic and he was right up there as one of our best players. Last season was an aberration due to the injuries and contract issues.
 
All I'm saying is I could post a highlight video of say Anderson from a selection of top games he's had for us and dominated the midfield proving what he's capable of on his day but is that enough for us to keep faith in the player after a string of poor performances? I'm aware over a period of a season Nani has shown the sort of consistency and talent we all wish and hope for from him week in out but how much time and how many games do you give a player to pursue and wish for him (not just Nani) to find that kind of form again?

With players like Bebe and Obertan we were quick to see and have the opinion they weren't good enough but players like Nani and Anderson is it a case of (sorry to coin the old phrase) form is temporary class is permanent? Viewing videos of what players have done in the past, does this give them some sort of extra life line and automatically warrant being more patient with them?

This is so not relevant to the Nani situation. he had 2 or 3 years of being right at the top, followed by one injury hit season in which his form dropped. To even think about giving up on him based on that is ridiculous.
 
Don't compare Nani to Anderson, their situations are nothing alike. One was brilliant for almost two years straight and just had a bad season last year, the other has never really got going in the first place.

Your whole argument is silly, what's wrong with posting a Youtube vid of some of his best bits? It's not like anyone is trying to use it as proof to him being a good player.

I can compare what the feck I like to be honest! I never said it was wrong to post youtube videos of players best bits I'm questioning whether or not it justifies keeping faith or having patieince with players that haven't comparitively shown the same of form with what we're viewing for a while. Whether it's due to injury, form, lack of games, confidence, contract issue or collectively no one is going to tell me Nani is worth what he was two years ago. I have my opinion, you have yours. I hope, not just for the clubs sake but his own, he can revive his career and repeat the sort of form he showed and he prove me wrong and you right but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
 
I can compare what the feck I like to be honest! I never said it was wrong to post youtube videos of players best bits I'm questioning whether or not it justifies keeping faith or having patieince with players that haven't comparitively shown the same of form with what we're viewing for a while. Whether it's due to injury, form, lack of games, confidence, contract issue or collectively no one is going to tell me Nani is worth what he was two years ago. I have my opinion, you have yours. I hope, not just for the clubs sake but his own, he can revive his career and repeat the sort of form he showed and he prove me wrong and you right but I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Which nobody is doing.
 
Pissing in the wind here. I never said he was shite, quite clearly he isn't and I've seen little of Zaha but he's arguably our most technically gifted winger. My point is, due to injury and form he moved down the pecking order and without a consistent run of games it'll be hard for him to recapture that sort of form. I've witnessed his brillaince and people are mentioning performances yet no one has said about how good he was against Arsenal in the cup 08 and again in the league the follwing year! I just don't think he'll get the chances he may or may not deserve and in my opinion we should consider the option of selling.

If I'm wrong for that then so be it!
 
I reckon if he stays, he plays.

Moyes has a straight forward choice really - does he trust him to hit previous form? If he does, he's a regular starter, if not he sells.
 
I think that he's going to stay. He sounds very positive in recent interviews.

Crossing my fingers anyway, he'd give us a big boost.
 
Pissing in the wind here. I never said he was shite, quite clearly he isn't and I've seen little of Zaha but he's arguably our most technically gifted winger. My point is, due to injury and form he moved down the pecking order and without a consistent run of games it'll be hard for him to recapture that sort of form. I've witnessed his brillaince and people are mentioning performances yet no one has said about how good he was against Arsenal in the cup 08 and again in the league the follwing year! I just don't think he'll get the chances he may or may not deserve and in my opinion we should consider the option of selling.

This is clear as mud. What are you actually trying to say?

He is definitely our most technically gifted winger, if by 'technically gifted' you mean good ball control and dribbling. (Which people generally do, even though that's not really what it means.)
 
This is clear as mud. What are you actually trying to say?

He is definitely our most technically gifted winger, if by 'technically gifted' you mean good ball control and dribbling. (Which people generally do, even though that's not really what it means.)

About as clear as what you bracketed then without a explination to what it actually means!
 
About as clear as what you bracketed then without a explination to what it actually means!

Technically gifted, as in has excellent technique. Technique covers far more than just dribbling. Sometimes these days you hear idiots saying 'Rooney's not that technically gifted' because he doesn't often dribble past more than one player at a time. That's nonsense, of course, because his superb technique allows him to do things with the ball which few other players in the world could do.
 
Myth alert.

Myth! Love it!
He's put his best performances in from the right, is right footed, and the whole thing is easier over there.

The only reason he plays on the left is as Valencia is so one dimensional.
 
Myth! Love it!
He's put his best performances in from the right, is right footed, and the whole thing is easier over there.

The only reason he plays on the left is as Valencia is so one dimensional.

This
 
Myth! Love it!
He's put his best performances in from the right, is right footed, and the whole thing is easier over there.

The only reason he plays on the left is as Valencia is so one dimensional.

Agreed. To add to that his best goalscoring came from coming inside from the right and scoring with his left
 
Myth! Love it!
He's put his best performances in from the right, is right footed, and the whole thing is easier over there.

The only reason he plays on the left is as Valencia is so one dimensional.


Doesn't really explain why Nani spent the majority of his first season at left wing despite Ronaldo being equally comfortable on either side.
 
Myth! Love it!
He's put his best performances in from the right, is right footed, and the whole thing is easier over there.

The only reason he plays on the left is as Valencia is so one dimensional.


What are his best performances, out of interest? It may not be a myth but I am yet to see anything that suggests otherwise.

He won our PPOTY award in a season where he played mostly on the left.
 
Ugh, this is such a non debate. He's obviously good from either side, there are more than enough great games on both to prove that. Some (me included) think he's slightly better on the right, some think he's equally good from either. Does it really matter?
 
Doesn't really explain why Nani spent the majority of his first season at left wing despite Ronaldo being equally comfortable on either side.

Because he was supposed to be Giggs' long term replacement? He was trying to learn the position because at Sporting he played on the right

What are his best performances, out of interest? It may not be a myth but I am yet to see anything that suggests otherwise.

He won our PPOTY award in a season where he played mostly on the left.

:confused: Cant be serious...
 
Ugh, this is such a non debate. He's obviously good from either side, there are more than enough great games on both to prove that. Some (me included) think he's slightly better on the right, some think he's equally good from either. Does it really matter?
No, because he's obviously better down the middle :)
 
Man, he is unlucky, another injury. I hope it's nothing serious, but knowing our luck, it would be 2 or 3 weeks at least.
 
Today, we saw the "on his day - he's insanely good" Nani. Too bad he went off injured :(

Hopefully he'll be OK for the start of the season at least.
 
I think it was, he seemed to go straight ok the bench donor like they've taken him to get looked at, hopefully just a tweak. That half hour showed what he can offer very well.
 
Didn't get to
Today, we saw the "on his day - he's insanely good" Nani. Too bad he went off injured :(

Hopefully he'll be OK for the start of the season at least.

Missed the first half today. Can you elaborate on how he was doing?
 
Feck sake.

He's always great pre-season though, let's see how he gets on in the first few games, if he's not injured...
 
Tightness only. Precaution more than anything. Came from Moyes at his interview just there.
 
Thanks, nice to hear. Although his freaking hamstring has become a bit of a problem hasnt it?
 
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