Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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Commadus said:
Seems like we have mishandled him. He should have been on the same wage as Young. If we lose him for £10m with the fact we paid £16m odd for Young will hurt. Can we not get rid of Young?
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I have nothing against Young personally, but if we had to offload one of our wingers it would certainly not be Nani. Young is 28 next week, and in my view has never hit the heights we hoped for. I can't see him improving that much more, so i would be looking to get rid of him before i had any notions of offloading Nani or Valencia.

However neither Nani nor Young have particularly flourished under SAF's 4-4-2, and i cannot imagine for a second that Moyes will continue that system now he is here. Ironically, a change in system could revitalize Nani and Young's form, and it may be Valencia who suffers from the introduction of a system far less dependent on touchline width.

I wouldn't mind as much if we were looking for 25m for Nani, at least then it is a significant amount to put towards another top player. But 10m is a joke, and i for one would prefer to keep him than give him away. Who could we buy for that money who would be an improvement on Nani? If him going weakens us while putting so little in the kitty, then why bother selling him at all?
 
apotheosis said:
I have nothing against Young personally, but if we had to offload one of our wingers it would certainly not be Nani. Young is 28 next week, and in my view has never hit the heights we hoped for. I can't see him improving that much more, so i would be looking to get rid of him before i had any notions of offloading Nani or Valencia.

However neither Nani nor Young have particularly flourished under SAF's 4-4-2, and i cannot imagine for a second that Moyes will continue that system now he is here. Ironically, a change in system could revitalize Nani and Young's form, and it may be Valencia who suffers from the introduction of a system far less dependent on touchline width.

I wouldn't mind as much if we were looking for 25m for Nani, at least then it is a significant amount to put towards another top player. But 10m is a joke, and i for one would prefer to keep him than give him away. Who could we buy for that money who would be an improvement on Nani? If him going weakens us while putting so little in the kitty, then why bother selling him at all?
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Agree... Nani can be a drama queen when he wants... but i still feel very sorry for him about that red card :mad:
 
dmode said:
Agree... Nani can be a drama queen when he wants... but i still feel very sorry for him about that red card :mad:
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I'm not so sure. If Nani can be described as a drama queen, what does that make Rooney? When we compare how the 2 players have each reacted to being dropped, in my view Nani has been far more professional. Ok he may want an improved contract, and while the club may feel his demands are excessive, he should surely be on at least as much as Young gets.

How anyone can believe - including the club - that Young somehow deserves more, is beyond me.
 
I'm not sure why people keep bringing up the Ashley Young wage thing. I used to do it myself, but really, it's unrelated, and we don't know for certain what his wages are. I'm sure there are plenty of other scenarios in our team where the better of the two players is on less money, that's just the way it works nowadays with agents, profiles, nationalities and transfer fees.
 
Commadus said:
Seems like we have mishandled him. He should have been on the same wage as Young. If we lose him for £10m with the fact we paid £16m odd for Young will hurt. Can we not get rid of Young?
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Fergie made a huge blunder on Young. He is on huge wages on a long-term contract and was hugely overpriced. There is no way for us to get rid of him now unless we offer to lend him out and pay 75% of his wages ourselves.

Apart from that he has also unsettled the team with his wages.

I think his contract expires 2016 so we will have him in our squad until then unless we do something drastic.
 
Cina said:
I'm not sure why people keep bringing up the Ashley Young wage thing. I used to do it myself, but really, it's unrelated, and we don't know for certain what his wages are. I'm sure there are plenty of other scenarios in our team where the better of the two players is on less money, that's just the way it works nowadays with agents, profiles, nationalities and transfer fees.
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How can it be unrelated? Whatever Young gets paid for being a winger at OT, may not be relevant to us, but you can bet it's relevant to Nani. Parity is always desired, just like vidic wanted better parity with Rio. It's not rocket science, if you are doing the same job as somebody else, and have similar importance to the team, then why would you settle for earning far less than your colleague?

You would at least want some justification as to why the same role, being fulfilled with comparable levels of inconsistency, is worth more to one than the other? We may not know how much young is getting at Ot, but you can bet your bollocks Nani's agent does. ;)

Tbh i think most would prefer to get rid of Young than Nani. If the club deem Young to be worth more than Nani in terms of wages, then it's not really unfair for us to speculate upon why that may be the case. Nani is estimated to be on around 60k, young was widely estimated to be earning almost twice that. Neither may be accurate estimations, but we have heard nothing concrete to discredit those figures, so they are the only basis we have to work from, rightly or wrongly. why should we beleive they are false representations when no contradictory figures have ever been offered for us to discount them?
 
Neither are accurate estimations. The most likely figure for Nani was £90k, according to semi "reliable" sources, and Young has ranged from £90k to £130k. Nobody knows, which is why I find the fact that people keep bringing this up over and over again so baffling. Valencia is a better player (or used to be) than Young too isn't he, so why is nobody blathering on about him getting more?

Vidic has never been on par with Rio, by the way.
 
Cina said:
Neither are accurate estimations. The most likely figure for Nani was £90k, according to semi "reliable" sources, and Young has ranged from £90k to £130k. Nobody knows, which is why I find the fact that people keep bringing this up over and over again so baffling. Valencia is a better player (or used to be) than Young too isn't he, so why is nobody blathering on about him getting more?

Vidic has never been on par with Rio, by the way.
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If they wanted out/Improved contract I would back them obviously. People like to separate humans and footballers. If your best friend was getting paid 900 per month and sold 5 times more than another new co-worker who earned 1300 would you not back him to get a better contract/search for a new employer?

Fans think that the clubs are holy but they are nothing but employers to the majority of players.
 
I'd keep hold of Nani, for all we know Moyes might really rate him and get the most out of him resulting in a happy Nani who signs on. Nani on form is easily one of if not the best winger in the league. Would be madness to sell him 10m.
 
Cina said:
Neither are accurate estimations. The most likely figure for Nani was £90k, according to semi "reliable" sources, and Young has ranged from £90k to £130k. Nobody knows, which is why I find the fact that people keep bringing this up over and over again so baffling. Valencia is a better player (or used to be) than Young too isn't he, so why is nobody blathering on about him getting more?

Vidic has never been on par with Rio, by the way.
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Maybe not, but he is now more on a par than he was, which was why i suggested 'better parity' as opposed to actual parity. :p

Even from your semi reliable sources the suggestion is still the same, that Young earns more. that notion hasn't been challenged since we signed young. so why should we then not use that as a basis, when we have heard nothing since to contradict that initial suggestion?

If you want hard solid facts before deeming something relevant for discussion, there would be feck all left in this forum to discuss.

Anyway don't want to argue with you over this one issue. Even if we just take the basis of what they are capable of as players, how many would really want us to keep Young over Nani?
 
nani wants to go apparently and is unhappy so why the feck would we keep him over young?

Don't get me wrong, I am a Nani fan but I don't get why Young gets slated everytime the Nani topic is brought up
 
akash02 said:
nani wants to go apparently and is unhappy so why the feck would we keep him over young?

Don't get me wrong, I am a Nani fan but I don't get why Young gets slated everytime the Nani topic is brought up
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Well the reason he is unhappy and wants to go is because he is always on the bench and hardly ever gets a run of games, and is never trusted by SAF. Also, if what has been reported is true that Nani less than Young who is apparently on 120k, then he has a right to be unhappy, especially considering he is far and away our most talented winger, and Young is only a squad player for us. It's unfair to compare Young to Nani because he isn't and won't ever be as talented as Nani is.
 
bosnian_red said:
Well the reason he is unhappy and wants to go is because he is always on the bench and hardly ever gets a run of games, and is never trusted by SAF. Also, if what has been reported is true that Nani less than Young who is apparently on 120k, then he has a right to be unhappy, especially considering he is far and away our most talented winger, and Young is only a squad player for us. It's unfair to compare Young to Nani because he isn't and won't ever be as talented as Nani is.
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The only reason Nani hasn't played this season is down to the contract issues and his injuries. And even then Fergie trusted Nani to start in our biggest game this season. No one's said Young is better than Nani and the only one's comparing them are the one's who are grabbing every opportunity to slate Young
 
akash02 said:
nani wants to go apparently and is unhappy so why the feck would we keep him over young?

Don't get me wrong, I am a Nani fan but I don't get why Young gets slated everytime the Nani topic is brought up
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I think it's mainly because Young isn't as good as Nani, and hasn't shown anything to convince he should be played or kept over Nani. Nani probably wants to leave because he isn't being played and the club won't offer him an improved deal. Under those circumstances it would hardly be surprising that he wouldn't see much of a future here. For me Nani leaving now for only 10m would be a very unsatisfying end to his Utd career.

Valencia has done the business before, and so he has earned the right to stay in my view. Young just hasn't done it, and therefore people will question why he is the one staying and not Nani.

I am a Nani fan too, and still harbor hopes of Moyes wanting to keep him. I can fully understand why some may not want Nani, but i cannot see how any accusations that can be thrown at nani over his form, do not apply to Young using the same logic.
 
akash02 said:
The only reason Nani hasn't played this season is down to the contract issues and his injuries. And even then Fergie trusted Nani to start in our biggest game this season. No one's said Young is better than Nani and the only one's comparing them are the one's who are grabbing every opportunity to slate Young
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Why would SAF not play Nani because of contract issues? He played Keane and Rio when they had contract issues. Poor form and injuries i can accept, but what the feck has Nani's agent's negotiations with the CE got to do with whether the manager picks him or not?

Not once have i slated Young by the way, i am only comparing their respective contributions and their talent and stating my preference for why i personally would prefer to keep Nani over young. Don't try to make it into something it isn't akash, it only serves to cloud what is actually being discussed.
 
apotheosis said:
Why would SAF not play Nani because of contract issues? He played Keane and Rio when they had contract issues. Poor form and injuries i can accept, but what the feck has Nani's agent's negotiations with the CE got to do with whether the manager picks him or not?

Not once have i slated Young by the way, i am only comparing their respective contributions and their talent and stating my preference for why i personally would prefer to keep Nani over young. Don't try to make it into something it isn't akash, it only serves to cloud what is actually being discussed.
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That's what it seems like to me. The season before he was a regular when fit. However ever since, last summer when there was a big hue and cry about his contract Fergie doesn't seem to have fancied him too much, even when Valencia served up shite game after game. Just speculation on my part mind.

I wasn't referring to you with that comment
 
apotheosis said:
Maybe not, but he is now more on a par than he was, which was why i suggested 'better parity' as opposed to actual parity. :p

Even from your semi reliable sources the suggestion is still the same, that Young earns more. that notion hasn't been challenged since we signed young. so why should we then not use that as a basis, when we have heard nothing since to contradict that initial suggestion?

If you want hard solid facts before deeming something relevant for discussion, there would be feck all left in this forum to discuss.

Anyway don't want to argue with you over this one issue. Even if we just take the basis of what they are capable of as players, how many would really want us to keep Young over Nani?
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Almost nobody, but seeing as it's totally irrelevant to this whole thing, it's a pointless statement.
 
Cina said:
Almost nobody, but seeing as it's totally irrelevant to this whole thing, it's a pointless statement.
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I really don't understand why you keep on saying this is pointless and that is pointless. this is a thread about speculation on Nani's future. People are obviously going to make subjective claims why they want him to stay or to go and then justify that reasoning. That in itself is totally pointless as it has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to whether he will stay or go.

so what was the point in you starting a thread to ask for people's speculations on what may happen next with Nani, if you are going to write those speculations off as pointless? It's all pointless if you take it that literally. Many don't want Nani to go, so obviously there will be discussion on the club's reasoning and their justifications thereof.

Is it not relevant to speculate on the club's reasoning for no longer wanting Nani, while wanting to keep the equally under performing Young who is his main rival for that role?
 
apotheosis said:
I really don't understand why you keep on saying this is pointless and that is pointless. this is a thread about speculation on Nani's future. People are obviously going to make subjective claims why they want him to stay or to go and then justify that reasoning. That in itself is totally pointless as it has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to whether he will stay or go.

so what was the point in you starting a thread to ask for people's speculations on what may happen next with Nani, if you are going to write those speculations off as pointless? It's all pointless if you take it that literally. Many don't want Nani to go, so obviously there will be discussion on the club's reasoning and their justifications thereof.

Is it not relevant to speculate on the club's reasoning for no longer wanting Nani, while wanting to keep the equally under performing Young who is his main rival for that role?
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Exactly, so ... why are you talking about Ashley Young?
 
Cina - is it your take that when it comes to moving on players, the make up the of the current squad has no bearing on those decisions? If that's your point of view, fair enough but, I think many do believe (myself included) that having certain players already in the squad can factor in the allowing of other players to leave.

It's quite reasonable to believe that Young's presence, along with Valencia/Zaha, in the squad makes it a bit easier for United to be okay with Nani leaving. I'd certainly hope that if the club hold the view that they've got enough wingers that they could do with one less, then they'd at least consider keeping Nani and consider moving Young on.

Although I'd prefer we keep all our wingers for next season - 4 should be a minimum for specialist wingers even though we do have others that can play there.
 
Shimo said:
Cina - is it your take that when it comes to moving on players, the make up the of the current squad has no bearing on those decisions? If that's your point of view, fair enough but, I think many do believe (myself included) that having certain players already in the squad can factor in the allowing of other players to leave.

It's quite reasonable to believe that Young's presence, along with Valencia/Zaha, in the squad makes it a bit easier for United to be okay with Nani leaving. I'd certainly hope that if the club hold the view that they've got enough wingers that they could do with one less, then they'd at least consider keeping Nani and consider moving Young on.

Although I'd prefer we keep all our wingers for next season - 4 should be a minimum for specialist wingers even though we do have others that can play there.
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Hooray oops sorry, i mean completely pointless. Tell him Cina. Shimo for future reference stick to relevant stuff like er pointless speculation that apparently has relevance despite having absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether or not Nani stays or goes. Apparently that specificity of pointlessness is acceptable, it's digressing into other realms of pointlessness like trying to expand the discussion that is frowned upon. Remember it's Cina's party, and he can shout pointless if he wants to. :angel:
 
Shimo said:
Cina - is it your take that when it comes to moving on players, the make up the of the current squad has no bearing on those decisions? If that's your point of view, fair enough but, I think many do believe (myself included) that having certain players already in the squad can factor in the allowing of other players to leave.

It's quite reasonable to believe that Young's presence, along with Valencia/Zaha, in the squad makes it a bit easier for United to be okay with Nani leaving. I'd certainly hope that if the club hold the view that they've got enough wingers that they could do with one less, then they'd at least consider keeping Nani and consider moving Young on.

Although I'd prefer we keep all our wingers for next season - 4 should be a minimum for specialist wingers even though we do have others that can play there.
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No, not at all, and I haven't really insinuated that, have I? It's the wages thing that I don't get. It's one thing saying it's annoying that the situation has gotten to where it is because Nani has been benched in favour of worse players, like Young, because we all know that to be true, it's another for everyone to constantly bring up their respective wages, because we haven't a fecking clue what their wages are, what wages they want, or what relevance they have to the whole situation.

In fact, I actually can't think of any articles that say "Nani is unhappy because Ashley Young makes more money than him" or something along those lines, can you? Most articles I've seen revolve around Nani wanting more than the club are willing to offer, but nothing in relation to Young, which is why people bringing him up so much seems to strange to me. For all we know, it might not even be the wages, neither Nani or the club have said anything publicly, I think the closest we have is the Zenit president saying he wanted too much money to go there, which for all we know could've just been a ploy because he didn't want to go there.


apotheosis said:
Hooray oops sorry, i mean completely pointless. Tell him Cina. Shimo for future reference stick to relevant stuff like er pointless speculation that apparently has relevance despite having absolutely no bearing whatsoever on whether or not Nani stays or goes. Apparently that specificity of pointlessness is acceptable, it's digressing into other realms of pointlessness like trying to expand the discussion that is frowned upon. Remember it's Cina's party, and he can shout pointless if he wants to. :angel:
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Construct proper sentences.
 
apotheosis said:
:lol: Good comeback Cina. I waited 9 minutes for that stingy offering? You could have at least accentuated that 3 word admonishment with an exclamation mark for a more forceful impact. Never mind you had your chance and you fecked it. :p
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Comeback to what exactly? Mindless, sarcastic drivel with shitty grammar that barely makes any sense? I'd make a comeback to it if there was actually something to comeback to, but anyone who reads that paragraph of yours will probably realize you're an idiot, so it's wasn't really necessary.
 
I don't know how much his contract played a part in him not featuring much. End of the day when it came down to it, in our toughest game of the season, against Real when he was fit, he was picked in the team ahead of others. Fergie commented that he can be a fixture in the team with the right performances. Personally I think that whilst Nani is ultimately the most responsible for his lack of games last season, although a lot of it was due to injuries, I felt that, at least from what we could see in the actual match performances Nani seemed to be getting treated harsher than others, namely Valencia. I've said before but I can't see how even in Nani's worst performances he was any more worse than Valencia was in a large portion of his games, yet Nani seemed to be getting dropped a lot more.

As I said it's a hard one to call. Fergie has already stated that he rates him highly and choosing him against Real seemed like he still trusted him at least as far as Feb, but like I said it seemed to be that he was getting a lot less leeway than others.
 
Cina said:
Comeback to what exactly? Mindless, sarcastic drivel with shitty grammar that barely makes any sense? I'd make a comeback to it if there was actually something to comeback to, but anyone who reads that paragraph of yours will probably realize you're an idiot, so it's wasn't really necessary.
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Was hoping for more but expected nothing less from you Cina, when all else fails resort to name calling. How you have the nerve to pull anyone for mindless sarcasm is ironic indeed. Never mind, tried to have a bit of tongue in cheek banter over your anal attitude, and while the outcome was entirely predictable, the mistake is mine for thinking you could handle a bit of ribbing that wasn't on your terms.
I'll know better in future.
 
apotheosis said:
Was hoping for more but expected nothing less from you Cina, when all else fails resort to name calling. How you have the nerve to pull anyone for mindless sarcasm is ironic indeed. Never mind, tried to have a bit of tongue in cheek banter over your anal attitude, and while the outcome was entirely predictable, the mistake is mine for thinking you could handle a bit of ribbing that wasn't on your terms.
I'll know better in future.
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Roma have opened negotiations with Manchester United over move for Nani
Manchester United winger Nani is reportedly a target for Roma.
La Gazzetta dello Sport are claiming Roma have joined Juventus and Napoli in the pursuit of Nani.
Nani's future at Old Trafford has been uncertain for some time and he failed to hold down a regular place under Sir Alex Ferguson last season.
United will let Fergie's successor David Moyes decide Nani's future and new Roma coach Rudy Garcia is said to be keen on the Portuguese international.
Gazzetta claim Roma's director of sport Walter Sabatini has opened negotiations with United.
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The Dailymail is quoting £12m, which in my opinion is a very good price for a player in the last year of his contract and not a first team regular. We should take it.
 
If these Roma rumours are true, then I think it is only fair that we insist on a Lamela-Nani swap
 
A move away from Manchester United could be on the cards for Luis Nani according to his agent Jorge Mendes amid reported links to AS Roma.
The 26-year-old, a £17 million signing from Sporting Lisbon in 2007, has had a mixed spell at United has always been exciting yet frustrating in equal measure and he polarises opinion amongst the clubs fanbase.
Nani appeared destined for a switch to Zenit St Petersburg last summer before his sky-high wage demands scuppered any potential exit but speaking to Radio Mana Mana, Mendes admits that an exit this year is plausible for Nani.
He said: “He’s a good football player and the whole world knows it. Will he go to Roma? Why not? Serie A is one of the best leagues in the world and Rome is a beautiful city.
“We constantly talk about the possibility of a transfer, but in the end, he always seems to stay at Manchester United.
“There is the possibility that he will leave. At the moment, nothing is concrete, the waters are calm. It depends on which players interest Manchester United.”
It sounds like Nani is waiting to see if United bring in any other wingers as well as Wilfried Zaha to the squad before deciding whether he would like to leave the club.
Mendes is not a man who speaks publicly very often but when he does, people listen. He previously spoke to Radio Mana Mana in May when he said Mourinho had an 80% chance of moving back to Chelsea, so there is no reason to suggest he isn’t correct about Nani.
With Monaco reportedly sniffing around and Nani making friends with some of their players, this summer looks to be the time when Nani genuinely might leave the club.
On his day, Nani is still one of the better players at David Moyes’ disposal and is unquestionably the most talented winger in the squad.
He can be truly spellbinding but a lack of match-winning form has eluded him for the best part of 18 months now and it might now be the right time for United to cash in.
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http://thepeoplesperson.com/nanis-agent-confirms-manchester-united-exit-on-the-cards/
 
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He previously spoke to Radio Mana Mana in May
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The muppet's radio station.

It's mentioned on Sport Witness: http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...-of-manchester-untied-exit?xg_source=activity

But Mendes denied saying about Real Madrid being finished if Ronaldo leaves, so the Nani thing might not be true either (I think it is though). I'd love Nani to stay, or be given a chance in pre-season and see what happens, but I think he's off. Would like it to be resolved one way or another soon.
 
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