Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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He was one of our best players in the home game against Chelsea after Madrid before he went off injured.He was fecking awful against Chelsea.
Ah, i'm thinking away from home, I think in the cup? I remember him going for about 20 minutes before he managed to pass the ball properly
paceme is thinking about the fa cup replay against Chelsea where he was awful. In the first game he was the best player on the pitch
We played Chelsea so many times this season it's all got muddled
Yeah, it's really annoying. I'm not even a Nani fan, but I can still admit that the level of performances he produced in 10/11 and 11/12 were very high. To put things into perspective, in 10/11, he scored 9 goals and created 18 goals. In 11/12, he scored 8 goals and assisted 12. In 11/12, Valencia scored 4 goals and assisted 14 goals. I believe Nani finished as our top assisted overall in 11/12, too, despite playing less. I am really interested to know what the wages he requested are - I want to see the range, as I personally believe he should have been offered what he wanted. The guy altered the complexion of his career in 09/10 admirably. With the exception of this season, in which he was awful in the first half but very good in the second half, he has been consistently good for a couple of seasons. It's as though people are intentionally forgetting this. I can only recall the Chelsea away game in 2013, where he was really, really poor. His quality shines through even when he sees less of the ball, for instance - Arsenal away, where he was unfortunate not to score/assist, but he looked like our only attacking player who was going to create something.
Re Juventus rumours: I don't believe them, unless Conte was to change his system. The 3-5-3 relies heavily on the wing backs attacking and defending and while Nani is decent defensively, I don't believe he has the work rate to complement his attacking traits. He may play as the second striker, behind Llorente or whoever, but I doubt it. If, however, Juventus change to the 4-3-3, which is imperative in dominating Europe then, yes, I see him moving. He's been linked so many times to Juventus and other Italian clubs since 10/11, it's lazy journalism I believe.
No, I'm talking about the home again against Chelsea, after the Real Madrid game, where his trickery gave us a free kick, which Rooney scored, so jokes on you.
He's had a poor season and an injury hit one but really I can't believe we've gonna let him go, especially for so cheap. I just can't see how we could get a replacement for him for anywhere near what we're supposedly selling him for. By most records I've seen he got 45 goals and assists in the last two seasons before this one, in the league alone. Stats aren't everything and we all accept he can have swings in form but that's the nature of most flair players. But that output is great. Fergie has already commented before that he's a great match winner as well, capable of pulling off top, top quality goals. I hope we can sort stuff out with him, even if it's a short contract. He and Kagawa showed some really good flashes of understanding when they played together and I think those two with rvp and rooney can be a top quartet. Sadly it's not looking good but as I said I can't see how we could get a replacement for him for even half what we're selling him for.
Wasn't there talk about Monaco willing to offer 20m to take him? Where's that gone now?
Nani says it's not guaranteed that he'll leave United 
I'd like him to stay, but don't see it happening.
Is there any player not dropping their drawers and winking their clam at Monaco?
I'd let them do whatever they wanted to me if they were going to offer me over £100k a week like they have done to all their signings.
Why? I've never had an anti Nani agenda.
Not really an agenda, but I don't ever feel the love coming from you towards Nani.
I dearly hope he stays & shuts up all the doubters.
Criminal that we're letting him leave for a pittance and keeping some of the average players that we are.
If he stays then I'll be happy because he's a quality player and he improves us.
If he leaves then I'll be happy because he made a show of us crying at Anfield like a big woman.
Either way and I'll twist it to pretend that's what I wanted really..
If he leaves then I'll be happy because he made a show of us crying at Anfield like a big woman.
Either way and I'll twist it to pretend that's what I wanted really..
Huh? You mean when his shin was sliced open?
He had a bit of a cut on his leg and he sat there crying like a big girls blouse.
My original post was tongue in cheek, it didn't really annoy me or anything but, yeah, he did act like a big girl that day. It should go without saying that Carragher is a bellend also.
Oh, dear.
I must admit I also found him sobbing on the pitch quite embarrassing.
Reading his recent quotes it is exactly what I feared last summer. The ball is firmly in his court. And he is well within his rights to be doing what he is.
The fact he is not ruling out staying is basically asking for a bumper contract. I would not be against giving him one rather than searching for a replacement for him.
Reading his recent quotes it is exactly what I feared last summer. The ball is firmly in his court. And he is well within his rights to be doing what he is.
The fact he is not ruling out staying is basically asking for a bumper contract. I would not be against giving him one rather than searching for a replacement for him.
Keep him for another year and try to bed in Januzaj to take his place. No point in selling him for pittance and spending big on a replacement when we have got a potential gem with us already.
He has one year on his contract left then?
Yep, and its why I believe we did try to offload him to Russia last summer and why he hs been frizen out for a lot of the recent campaign.
So some on here just want to bow down to his wishes and give him more money.
Interesting. Since when did we become City lads?
Randall - isn't that exactly what Rooney did the first time he asked to leave? Play for a bumper contract? Rooney was o course slated for it, but you don't mind Nani doing it. I don't know your opinion on the Rooney saga, but I do hope it's not a contradictory one.
Interesting. Since when did we become City lads?
Randall - isn't that exactly what Rooney did the first time he asked to leave? Play for a bumper contract? Rooney was o course slated for it, but you don't mind Nani doing it. I don't know your opinion on the Rooney saga, but I do hope it's not a contradictory one.
I slated Rooney at the time and I havent always been overly nice about Nani either. But I think giving him his contract is the less risky option. We know what he is capable of and letting him go to a potential rival and trying to sign a replacement makes less sense. We have a ready made proper winger.
I dont really like him though.
I dont really like him though.
If he doesn't want to be here, for all he is worth, I'd rather move him on, and I am a big Nani fan.
I personally think his time is up, unless some humble pie is eaten and he feels he cant start a new with DM, don't see it likely.
I personally think his time is up, unless some humble pie is eaten and he feels he cant start a new with DM, don't see it likely.
You're obviously talking bollocks, but how do you feel about Wayne Rooney playing for United right now, you must think we have become City because he stayed on and got his bumper contract? What if we keep Rooney after the most recent bit, do we then become Monaco or something? Get a grip?
Do you really think this is exactly what Rooney did two years ago and people are just choosing to not respond like they did before?
Funny how you used to give out to me for being critical of Valencia then isn't it?
Anyway, whilst it could be less risky to give him a new contract, we've no idea how much he wants, it could just be too much.
I don't think I'm talking bollocks at all. This forum laughed at other clubs when they decide to just throw money at the problem when they begin to panic. Why does it have to be different with Nani? If United believe he is only worth an X amount of salary, but Nani wants X+Z salary - do you think we should just bow down to his wishes deapite not thinking he's worth that much money?
There's a reason United are labeling him with an £8million, or so, transfer fee. If the club rates him as highly as redcafe does, they would have offered him a big contract, started talks earlier or actually played him when he was fit.
I don't mind Rooney playing for United what it's worth. I really don't like how the club bowed down and offered him a bigger contract when he wanted to leave the first time. I'm not going to sugar-coat it to help my argument. But am I glad he stayed? Yes I am. Could you say it was a wise decision from the club to offer Rooney that bumper deal? I guess you could. Rooney is in a high bracket of players after all.
And for what it's worth again, I don't think this current Rooney saga is financially driven. People might call me naive, but I honestly don't think it's the case. But that's for another topic of course.
I just don't think we need to just bow down to a player who barely featured in our latest success and is notorious for being inconsistent at times. If Nani wants to play hard to get, then he can feck off. If he was important, genuinely important, to the team then I would want him to change his mind.
I like the guy as well.
I think you are looking at the situation the wrong way. The reason the fans on this forum want to offer Nani a contract is not just because they rate him very highly, it is because it is also financially beneficial to do so.
If we go on the premise that Zaha isn't replacing Nani, most people feel that to get a player of his quality (or this potential) is going to cost us easily £20m. If the reports are to be believed this will mean paying an additional £12+m for the principle of not offering him £1-2m a season more.
From my point of view it just doesn't make sense. You have a senior squad member who has won pretty much everything, who is a former player of the season and still in his prime. It will cost you less to compromise on wages than it would to get a replacement, what is the downside of offering him a pay rise? This is likely to be the last very big contract of his career, of course he is going to play hardball.
Rooney's situation was and is different. It wasn't and isn't cheaper for him to stay than to go, not even close. The difference between Rooney going and staying, even taking into consideration replacing him is probably £40-50m. Also Nani is bound to get more sympathy because he hasn't treated the club like dirt in order to engineer a move. I've certainly never heard stories of him getting fines for being unfit, training poorly etc.
Most people accept that all Footballer's are mercenaries to some degree, what they don't like is putting personal interests in front of the clubs. That is where the two differ.
Edit: Obviously if Nani is asking for £160-200k a week then no-one would be arguing his corner (not that this is likely, given he won't be paid this anywhere else).
I see where you are coming from. Even if it's financially sensible to offer him a new contract, I still don't think we should. Fans on this forum DO rate him very highly - he's delightful to watch on his day, but those days are rare. Is it more sensible for the good of the team to sell him and sign a replacement who will hopefully be more consistent? Who knows?
Rooney and Nani's situation may be different. I won't deny that, but why is it OK for Nani to play hardball but not for Rooney? Personally, I'd expect it more from Rooney because #1 He isn't the sharpest tool #2 He knows he's important to the team.
There have been stories of Nani playing up in the training ground - punching Petrucci for example. True or not - it is a story.
If Nani had a vital role last season in helping us win the PL, then I'd be more than likely be hoping he'd stay. But that wasn't the case. I don't think we need him, going by his inconsistency. I'd be content going into the season with Valencia, Young, Zaha and Kagawa. If Nani wants to accept the wages United are offering him, then fine. I'd be happy to have him on board. I just don't think United should go out of their way to please Nani's needs. We're all not sure what Nani is currently earning, neither do we know how much he wants. That's a fact.
Rooney and Nani's situation may be different. I won't deny that, but why is it OK for Nani to play hardball but not for Rooney? Personally, I'd expect it more from Rooney because #1 He isn't the sharpest tool #2 He knows he's important to the team.
There have been stories of Nani playing up in the training ground - punching Petrucci for example. True or not - it is a story.
If Nani had a vital role last season in helping us win the PL, then I'd be more than likely be hoping he'd stay. But that wasn't the case. I don't think we need him, going by his inconsistency. I'd be content going into the season with Valencia, Young, Zaha and Kagawa. If Nani wants to accept the wages United are offering him, then fine. I'd be happy to have him on board. I just don't think United should go out of their way to please Nani's needs. We're all not sure what Nani is currently earning, neither do we know how much he wants. That's a fact.
My sense is that Nani has just been poorly advised by his agents. Similar to Rooney, they were both expecting big clubs and big offers once they signaled their intention to leave. Now they're looking a bit silly, and unfortunately, I can see this ending badly for us too. ie. we're going to lose out on decent transfer fees, and more importantly, their level of motivation if they remain on our squad.
Nani has done nothing this past season to get the big pay rise he thinks he deserves, and I think most other clubs will agree, hence the general lack of interest.
Nani has done nothing this past season to get the big pay rise he thinks he deserves, and I think most other clubs will agree, hence the general lack of interest.
Nani has never actually signalled intention to leave though, that's the big difference here. There's been no public comments from him, no transfer requests, nothing. Whenever he has been asked he's neither said anything one way or the other. That's the thing, everything is speculation here, the whole thing, people can guess all they want about his wages or contract or whatever, but nobody knows. I also can't understand the comparisons to Rooney, who came out with this shit two years ago out of the blue, with no real reason other than "I question the ambition of this club", a reason that turned out to be bollocks in order to get more money. Nani on the other hand has had to constantly deal with being dropped and not even getting on the bench ahead of players he's better than, and his contract is also running low. He has far more reason to do what he's doing than Rooney did, whether what he's doing is right or wrong, is another story.
I'm sorry to detract slightly, but a comment on that article took my eye:
Seriously? There are that people THAT stupid in this world?
Most serious football discussion has a kiss at the end of it.
That's pretty irrelevant though. Rooney never made any public comments either, until Fergie forced the issue. He was also dropped, which prompted the whole crowd singing his name, and Fergie getting peeved/making comments. Perhaps if the fans had a similar reaction to Nani being dropped we'd have seen a similar scenario.
Or not. Either way, you're splitting hairs with this 'not comparable at all' shit. The dissimilarities boil down to one player having more profile and ability(as far as we know).
Am I the only one who couldn't give a shit if he stays or goes? We keep hearing 'on his day he's amazing' 'he's the best winger at the club' etc.
This may be true but feck me, how many good days does he have?
We've done ok without him over the years and I'm sure we'll continue to do ok without him in the future.
This may be true but feck me, how many good days does he have?
We've done ok without him over the years and I'm sure we'll continue to do ok without him in the future.
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