Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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markhrad said:
Look at any game he has played alongside Rooney and you will see Rooney openly berates him. Under Moyes Rooney was given much power. Is it unreasonable to assume that there is some form of correlation?
Look at some of Nani's best matches. He does things that are quite amazing. Rooney does not like being second fiddle and Nani, at least at one time, had the potential to be great.
we will know in time. Until then keep laughing.
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Why would Rooney not want to be second fiddle to Nani when he was second fiddle to van Nistelrooy, C. Ronaldo, Berbatov, and van Persie?

Even then, it's strange to think that Rooney can have so much power that he can do whatever to Nani without his teammates also being affected by this.

What has kept Nani out for so long are his injuries. He's had so many injuries on his legs, and I believe this is the main reason why he doesn't play as much.
 
markhrad said:
Exactly the response I expected from some. There is something called the Socratic method. I ask myself why is arguably Portugal's second best player not given playing time even when on the bench, whilst other players from lesser ranked countries play frequently?
Nani undoubtedly is highly skillful and can beat any defender at any given time but especially this season he is underutilized.
Look at any game he has played alongside Rooney and you will see Rooney openly berates him. Under Moyes Rooney was given much power. Is it unreasonable to assume that there is some form of correlation?
Look at some of Nani's best matches. He does things that are quite amazing. Rooney does not like being second fiddle and Nani, at least at one time, had the potential to be great.
we will know in time. Until then keep laughing.
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Actually there may be something in this.

I've always thought it was weird how Valencia went from our player of the year to playing at Championship level for the next 2. I reckon Rooney felt threatened by Valencia's growing popularity and did something about it.

RVP is injury free for for 2 seasons and then suddenly becomes very injury injury prone. My feeling is Rooney and Moyes got together and fecked him over by coming up with an elaborate fitness plan that did not go down well with RVP. It's obvious Rooney and RVP hate each other.

Rooney praises Giggs. Giggs becomes manager and drops Mata in his first game. Coincidence? I think not. Rooney can't stand playing second fiddle to a Spanish techno midget and Giggs is all to happy to cater to Rooney's needs. No wonder he doesn't want Van Gaal.

It wouldn't at all surprise me if Rooney had something to do with Fergie's retirement as well. He knows he would have been sold had Fergie been the manager. Oh and Rafael's injury proneness may have something more to it. Rooney couldn't stand the fact that Rafael was exceedingly popular amongst fans.

It all makes sense now.
 
Nani is a quality player and has shown his quality whilst he's been here. For me its just the classic winger syndrome and the nature of the position. No position in football is as inconsistent and frustrating than wingers. It seems you rarely get anything other the brilliant or rubbish. Not to mention is there another position where players get more injured? Unfortunately (unless your Giggs) the position has a short playing span. Nani no different for me.....
 
I knew I would get some abuse for stating my gut feeling but I did not anticipate the level of vitriol. In future I will keep such feelings to myself.
We are all reds regardless of personal opinions. I have supported this team since the late sixties and will continue to do so 'til the day I die, like most of you.
I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature, however, it was difficult to keep my gut feeling in check. I thought this was a forum in which I could voice such a notion as far-fetched as it may seem. I was wrong and have learned a valuable lesson.
 
markhrad said:
I knew I would get some abuse for stating my gut feeling but I did not anticipate the level of vitriol. In future I will keep such feelings to myself.
We are all reds regardless of personal opinions. I have supported this team since the late sixties and will continue to do so 'til the day I die, like most of you.
I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature, however, it was difficult to keep my gut feeling in check. I thought this was a forum in which I could voice such a notion as far-fetched as it may seem. I was wrong and have learned a valuable lesson.
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Stop being so touchy bruh! You are entitled to your opinion however absurd.
 
markhrad said:
Ok. I am a newly promoted member. Not accustomed to be so disrespected.
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Is that you Pogba?

Seriously though by now we can definetly it's very unlikely that Nani will make it here. He's got a new opportunity under VG but I don't hold much hope. It's not good enough to have the odd great game
 
I sometimes think Nani is what would happen if Messi became irreversibly convinced he was Bebe. In theory, one of the most gifted dribblers in football, but he just never bothers to try it any more. And he's so jumpy on the ball that his passing has gone badly downhill too. It's a shame for United fans but it's a shame for football in general too, because he could have been something really special.

Still got a chance under the new man, of course, but I don't see how someone whose nerves are so obviously shot is going to recover his old form.
 
I always find it amazing when people see everything they need to know in one performance in about 4 months, and they conclude player who used to be world class isn't good enough anymore, or isn't trying.
 
I just checked his numbers: he featured in 10 league games this season, 508 minutes. Quality-wise easily our best winger IMO, although not the type of player preferred by SAF and Moyes it seems. I wonder what’s the case with him not playing, surely it’s not only about injuries?
 
Rooneys selfishness, alien abduction, Moyes hatred (gives him 5y contract as tounge in cheek), Sir Alex demention (he forgot Nani exists), bad weather are all valid arguments in this curious case of Nani not playing for United, nothing to do with constant injuries or not delivering when playing.
 
It'll be a sad day when he inevitably goes as there's always been a brilliant player there, but it's too late to bounce back in a United shirt IMO. I've just been thinking back to his game vs Arsenal away in 09/10, what a performance that was and what a player he looked to become. A Nani in that kind of form is exactly what we've been missing on the wings.
 
Isn't he a LvG type of player though? pacey winger who can run at defences. Im not saying he's going to play 30 games next season but I think LvG will use Nani quite a lot if he stays fit.

He's still 10 times better than Young and Valencia for me, id rather those 2 be sold before Nani.
 
Plugsy said:
But at the same time isn't remarkable looking at his career/position here and the fact that, according to this place, not one single piece of criticism of his performance or attitude is valid?

It seems whatever criticism is aimed at him is batted away and dismissed. And yet - here we are. It's like something nobody in the world other than RedCafe members can see.
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There's a big difference between the opinions on here and in the stadium on match days. He doesn't deserve to be booed by match goers, but he was never close to being world class imo. One amazing season doesn't change that.
 
markhrad said:
Exactly the response I expected from some. There is something called the Socratic method. I ask myself why is arguably Portugal's second best player not given playing time even when on the bench, whilst other players from lesser ranked countries play frequently?
Nani undoubtedly is highly skillful and can beat any defender at any given time but especially this season he is underutilized.
Look at any game he has played alongside Rooney and you will see Rooney openly berates him. Under Moyes Rooney was given much power. Is it unreasonable to assume that there is some form of correlation?
Look at some of Nani's best matches. He does things that are quite amazing. Rooney does not like being second fiddle and Nani, at least at one time, had the potential to be great.
we will know in time. Until then keep laughing.
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You really can't stand Rooney can you? Nani wasn't even playing under Fergie. I guess Rooney told SAF not to play Nani? This is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard on here.
 
Not been good from him so far today, but it's still refreshing seeing one of our players take defenders on rather than pass it or lump it at the first sign of pressure.
 
Think he's been alright, keeps coming central and looking for the one-two but we're just concentrating on getting the ball in the box
 
He has been ineffective and even outshined by Young, who he is not having the best of half. However, he has not been getting consistent gametime, so it is hard to critize his performance without looking at the larger picture.
 
I really hope this is the last time we are going to see Nani in a Man United shirt. He's been awful, once again.
 
He's been poor, in my opinion. A parting of the ways will be good for both sides.
 
He's just 'gone'. Its like watching a shell of the old Nani. I don't know if its a physical thing, he does seem to have lost a lot of his pace? or more a mental thing as he knows he's going. Either way, its sad to see.
 
No confidence, trying but not a lot coming off. Still looks capable of linking up well with some of the players and wants to play positive football but it's just not happening.
 
Sam said:
He's just 'gone'. Its like watching a shell of the old Nani. I don't know if its a physical thing, he does seem to have lost a lot of his pace? or more a mental thing as he knows he's going. Either way, its sad to see.
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No confidence, no rhythm = symptoms of a player that just hasn't played enough.

Ive always thought that if Nani was at another team, he would be one of those 30m rumours we keep getting.
 
And there goes another confidence killer, getting subbed off. This happens so much, Young isnt having a much better game but it seems Nani is an easy choice.
 
It really annoys me how Nani is always the first to get pulled off even when Valencia or Young is still on the pitch
 
I hate the cliche, but he really has lost a yard of pace. His injuries may have ruined him, as I feared.
 
He's off in the summer for real this time. Looks jaded and pretty unmotivated.
 
Yep, once again gets pulled off when any number of other players have been no better. If he does go this summer, for me he'll never really have been given a chance to recapture his form over the past two seasons.
 
Meh, ordinary player who has flattered to deceive for too long. Should certainly be sold in the summer. If only our other wingers weren't at the same level...
 
Passed the ball around quite well and found some teammates in dangerous areas. No real end product. Made 3 tackles in the short time he was on in the 2nd half, as much as anyone else in the team.

When Valencia tackles well and and passes the ball decently without creating anything and having no end product whatsoever he gets lots of praise on here.

It wasn't a very good performance from Nani in my opinion. I think the same when Valencia plays exactly the same way. However a lot of people here would be praising Valencia for exactly the same performance
 
How often has Valencia really been praised over the last two seasons? I've seen him get plenty of criticism.

Truth is him and Nani are as ordinary as each other. Nani can't even get picked as often as Valencia though, for whatever reason. Thus he should be sold first. His time here is clearly done imo.
 
entropy said:
Take it easy, he has hardly started for us this season. Hope he can put in a decent 2nd half performance.
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He had a shocker today, deserves
the criticisim.
 
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