Fair enough then. Unless we want to depend on a set piece again, we need players who can produce something on their own. A fit nani would have been great for this game specially if Rooney misses out. Sigh.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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Fair enough then. Unless we want to depend on a set piece again, we need players who can produce something on their own. A fit nani would have been great for this game specially if Rooney misses out. Sigh.
This is what Fergie saw in Nani last year for the RM game. I hope we get to see him too I can see him cause troubles even on counters that are half chances at best.
Don't think he ever did that, but get the point that Valencia over Nani away to Bayern is a much better option because of work rate only.
i can imagine that he should get 20 minutes at the end though or if we're 1-0 down to stretch them.
if we're up then Dave will do what Dave does, and play defensively in which case Nani wont get a lookin.
Lost in everything Moyes was Nani's first start and that with Kagawa and Mata. Not sure what everyone else thought but, I enjoyed what they tried to do in the first half. He didn't have the best game and I even saw a moment of what people like to say "Rooney hates Nani" - where for some reason instead of giving it to Nani in a good position, tried a cross field ball that didn't work.
Certainly hope with the few games left, we might see a bit more of him to give whoever it is managing next season a chance to see the important role he can play. Obviously it would have helped had we had a RB that could make use of the space that was made by the way he was playing infield more.
Certainly hope with the few games left, we might see a bit more of him to give whoever it is managing next season a chance to see the important role he can play. Obviously it would have helped had we had a RB that could make use of the space that was made by the way he was playing infield more.
It was very obvious that Nani was back from the isolation cell. But I agree with you, the potential in having a pacey dribbler next to Mata and Kagawa was apparent. Unfortunately Nani's off the ball running wasn't at the level we are used to seeing. Either Moyes gave him direct orders to avoid going too far up the pitch behind the opponents defensive line - or he was just having an off game with his running.
Had we had Chicarito in front of them and if Nani had been allowed/capable of more off the ball runs behind the defense then it would have been great.
He wasn't bad in first half, was involved in most of our decent moves, had few nice plays, but poor in the second half like most of our team, and that was enough as always for Moyes to sub him, considering he was subbed in most games even when he was playing well.
I know it's his style to slow the ball down and try and get past people with his quick feet, but a lot of the time I wish he'd be a bit more direct and just run at players with speed. He's liable in slowing our attacks down. Saying all that I'm a big fan and if he can get a run of games I hope we see the old Nani return.
When he was at his best a few seasons ago he definitely had that in him. If we can get him back to that, we can see a fantastic direct and skilled Nani again.
Signing Nani up could prove to be one of the best, if oddest, things Moyes did. He didn't seem to have a particular interest in playing him (though he did get more games than some make out), but if we can get a manager that properly believes in him, and if Nani can stay fit and give it 100% we could get the player we know he can be once again.
Admittedly there are several "ifs" in there.
Admittedly there are several "ifs" in there.
I was reading in the Reus transfer thread about what sort of winger LvG prefers and was wondering whether this will mean a renaissance for Nani too? Can anyone imagine LvG preferring Valencia/Young over Nani?
I hope he can get some game time at least in the remaining games so he could be considered for the WC.
Will he be selcted if fit? @Sly
Usually he has been one of the first names in Portugal's team if fit. And he always does well for them in tournaments.
Will he be selcted if fit? @Sly
Usually he has been one of the first names in Portugal's team if fit. And he always does well for them in tournaments.
Nope. Nani is clearly superior for providing real width as Young/Valencia can't beat their man, even less so if we are dominating possession and the defense is organized. But the question is how big the chance is that van Gaal ends up with a good relationship with Nani.
If he is fit he will be picked and be a starter. He is our best winger and in form our second most dangerous player (sometimes third when Coentrão is in his best days). I´m worried with his lack of playing time at United and it´s influence form wise but Nani is pretty much guaranteed at Brazil. Paulo Bento our National team coach was also the Sporting manager that "launched" Nani into our main team. He will always be considered except in injury case
Thanks! Glad to hear he is still guaranteed a place!
In terms of playing style and qualities no, Nani would seem like a perfect fit for LVG to be honest, yet it all depends on his attitude and mindset. If he isn't working hard enough or he doesn't want to play here anymore than he'll never feature under LVG. Also fitness is important. I could imagine if Nani got some chances in these couple of games, if he plays a good worldcup, LVG will consider him. If he shows good things on preseason than I think he would get another chance in the team. Again under the conditions that he is motivated, works hard, shows good things and remains fit, if any of those things go wrong (again) than he'll just end up outside the team again. probably similar reasons why he was out of the team under SAF and Moyes aswell, I don't think they preffered Valencia and Youngs performances over the best of Nani, but when the fecker isn't fit or he is sulking on the training ground, not showing the passion and desire anymore, not showing he is a beter player that deserves chances than he won't get them, it will be the same under LVG if that is the case no doubt.
I hope Nani gets a game on Saturday. I cant believe how he has been treated.
We have no idea how he has been treated or how he has behaved himself. I too hope he gets a game on Saturday as I think he's our most exciting player to watch. He should be a starter on the left or right depending.
Its funny that there has been little talk about why he is not playing. I assume he has fallen out of favour with those who have power. Moyes hardly spoke about him and I have not come across any statements from Giggs.
Nani to me is our most skillful player and can perform well against any opponent. I would hate to see him leave before LVG has a chance to use him
Agree with this. I also think Nani's link-up play is vastly underrated. Him to the right with Kagawa to the left and Mata in the middle behind RVP would be amazing to watch, I think. All of them are excellent short passers, and Nani can provide the pace that Valencia normally does but being more technical and offering more.
I understand his fitness issues but how do you know he has shown anything but full dedication in training? That's just a lazy dig at him.
There are so many unanswered questions, thus, we theorize. My theory it has to do with Rooney not liking Nani. He berates Nani more than anyone else and Rooney's fans join in.
Always suspected Rooney feared being second fiddle to Nani like he was to Ronaldo.
I know I will be subjected to abuse for that statement but it is my gut feeling.
Always suspected Rooney feared being second fiddle to Nani like he was to Ronaldo.
I know I will be subjected to abuse for that statement but it is my gut feeling.
It is an assumption, there has to be a reason why he wans't involved all this time, I don't think it was because he isn't good enough, the fitness issues answer some questions but not all and I also don't belive SAF or Moyes hated the guy that much they would cope with Valencia and Young over him for such a long time if there wasn't a legitimate reason. Bad attitude at training, or not showing full dedication are possible issues that I wouldn't past Nani (definitley if I look at the games he has been playing, he doesn't give his all, always had this feeling about him when he was on the pitch in the last 2 years).
Rooney haters gone hate, he is probably the cause of every single problem at United according to some...
Nani hasn't brought in a single decent performance over the last 2 years and he didn't feature under 2 different coaches. But no he is not to blame, lets just blame Rooney for it
Probably best to blame him for SAF retirement, Moyes signing, the resurgence of Liverpool, the deterioration of english football, the Ukraine crisis, Syria crisis, the economic crisis, world famine and Jusin Bieber altogether while we're at it. How dear you, Wayne !
Nani being some lazy, arrogant, egotistical, workshy fancy Dan has got to be one of, if not the biggest, myths that surround United. He's meant to be incredibly dedicated and possibly the shyest bloke in the whole squad. Some supporters have always attempted to get personal in regards to Nani, even though there's never been any evidence, other than a few stupid back flips, that he is that kind of guy.
Rooney haters gone hate, he is probably the cause of every single problem at United according to some...
Nani hasn't brought in a single decent performance over the last 2 years and he didn't feature under 2 different coaches. But no he is not to blame, lets just blame Rooney for it
Probably best to blame him for SAF retirement, Moyes signing, the resurgence of Liverpool, the deterioration of english football, the Ukraine crisis, Syria crisis, the economic crisis, world famine and Jusin Bieber altogether while we're at it. How dear you, Wayne !
What about the plane disappearance and the ferry sinking?
You see, he's not that bad actually...
Nonsense. It could well be a case of SAF/Moyes preferring Valencia type hard working players as opposed to the flair or Nani on one flank when we play 4-4-2. There could be so many reasons why he was not preferred in some games to those players. If he was not a hard working player in training or shirked his duties, SAF would not have even played him in as many games as he played.
But at the same time isn't remarkable looking at his career/position here and the fact that, according to this place, not one single piece of criticism of his performance or attitude is valid?
It seems whatever criticism is aimed at him is batted away and dismissed. And yet - here we are. It's like something nobody in the world other than RedCafe members can see.
When did I say his performances are not up for criticism? But I don't find anything wronf with his attitude on the pitch. He tries hard. Being a flair player, he tries things which don't always come through but he does not stop trying.
I had an issue when someone mentioned he might have a problem with his attitude in training. There is nothing to support that theory. None of his colleagues have ever complained about his commitment.
I don't doubt he works hard but nor do I think any different of Young who gets cut as much slack as an anorexic's corset
Well you will never hear me complaining about Young's hard work. But he is not close to being as good a player as Nani and his performances reflect that. Thus he gets the flak that he recieves. Much like Nani in that he is criticized heavily by one section of the support. Difference between the two on redcafe is that some people see the talent in Nani and are willing to be more patient with him while it is pretty unanimous that Young is not United standard.
He doesn't really have a future here anymore does he? I don't think he'll want to spend what are supposedly a players peak years on the bench as a squad player and that is the most likely outcome if he were to stay.
In all likelihood Mata will occupy the left whenever fit and on the right that leaves Valencia who usually starts ahead of Nani anyway and then we should be making it a priority to play Januzaj who certainly looks to be a integral part of our future.
In all likelihood Mata will occupy the left whenever fit and on the right that leaves Valencia who usually starts ahead of Nani anyway and then we should be making it a priority to play Januzaj who certainly looks to be a integral part of our future.
I don't know what exactly the issue is with Nani, whether it's an attitude thing or something else, but it has to be something. Injuries and "SAF and Moyes preferred someone like Valencia" don't cover it. The length of time he's been on the margins - the extreme margins, to the point his name doesn't even seem to come up at all - yet he pops up and has a very decent game until being sent off in our biggest game of the season last year. And then vanishes again, as mysteriously as he arrived... Something is going on, damned if I know what tho.
His injuries have been the biggest, most worrying aspect. It isn't like he's been frozen out as such, he's been injured between around November to March. for two seasons in a row. Ignore the form or the silly talk of effort about a player who quite legitimately works his arse off, it's his hamstrings that are a problem, and they run a severe risk of ruining his career given the bother he's recently had with them.
Exactly the response I expected from some. There is something called the Socratic method. I ask myself why is arguably Portugal's second best player not given playing time even when on the bench, whilst other players from lesser ranked countries play frequently?
Who promoted you?
Nani undoubtedly is highly skillful and can beat any defender at any given time but especially this season he is underutilized.
Look at any game he has played alongside Rooney and you will see Rooney openly berates him. Under Moyes Rooney was given much power. Is it unreasonable to assume that there is some form of correlation?
Look at some of Nani's best matches. He does things that are quite amazing. Rooney does not like being second fiddle and Nani, at least at one time, had the potential to be great.
we will know in time. Until then keep laughing.
Either mods have fun with rest of us or this place really went to shit.
That's a bit harsh. He's only expressing a theory. I've heard a few others say the same thing.
Anyway, I hope Nani gets a run-out in the last few games. If only to improve his fitness for the world cup.
LVG taking over will surely give Nani some hope there is a future for him here. I think if Moyes had remained he was certain to leave, now I'm not so sure.
Dear God. We really are just blaming Rooney for everything now. Unbelievable. No doubt it is Rooney who is tearing his hamstrings too.
Its not that far fetched...He has a point. Nani was highly rated as a younger player and did maybe have the potential to excel farther than Rooney has. Rooney doesn't seem a very smart lad and I wouldn't be surprised if he was bugged about something as trivial as that.
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