Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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If you would read between the lines. The whole point of my OP was in line with the manner of the discussion surrounding Nani.
People on this site make it their duty to undermine supporters of Liverpool for their hopes and discussions about their own players/team. They are nothing short of ridiculed. Bearing this in mind, people on the Caf will then attempt to talk down Sturridge - who in all honesty is playing fantastic football, and, then speak about Nani as if he is going to return with a bang (baring his life-threatening harmstring doesn't act up).
It is pathetic.
I can't believe how quickly people forget. When Nani was playing well, it was debatable in my opinion as to who our best attacker was.
I really think talent speaks for itself, but i guess sometimes personality shaped by culture makes a difference in perceptions.
for example - imagine nani with his footballing attributes,however being english/british by culture and rooney the other way round.
yes nani has been injured a lot, but when he did get time in the team he was doing well. however due to the contract situation last year we hadn't seen much of him,but when he did come back he was doing well till Cakir and then injury struck last season.
even this season, apart from one game, he was influencing the game quite well.
i think it would be short-sighted to sell him, because to buy what he could potential bring to team, would cost us much more.
I really think talent speaks for itself, but i guess sometimes personality shaped by culture makes a difference in perceptions.
for example - imagine nani with his footballing attributes,however being english/british by culture and rooney the other way round.
yes nani has been injured a lot, but when he did get time in the team he was doing well. however due to the contract situation last year we hadn't seen much of him,but when he did come back he was doing well till Cakir and then injury struck last season.
even this season, apart from one game, he was influencing the game quite well.
i think it would be short-sighted to sell him, because to buy what he could potential bring to team, would cost us much more.
Yeah, United supporters being hypocrites on a United forum where Liverpool are concerned. Never!!!
Maybe a Liverpool forum would be more in line with your tastes.
would love it if Nani is actually back at last, and anywhere near form.
I still hold the belief that he's miles better than Valencia and Young, even when Valencia was having that amazing run.
His pace would be just what we need to counter Mata's more measured approach
I still hold the belief that he's miles better than Valencia and Young, even when Valencia was having that amazing run.
His pace would be just what we need to counter Mata's more measured approach
Akash, would you do me a favor and pull whatever it is you have stuck somewhere out please?
Of course I am aware that there is going to be bias, red-tinted comments on a United forum. Fortunately, this does not legally bind me to agree with every bit of it. Obviously you are one of the breed of fans who would take a fella's eye out of his head with regard to a Nani debate. That is fine. I too genuinely hope that Nani can propel himself back into the spotlight for the right reasons - more than anything.
If I feel as though I would like to entertain a debate, I will not agree with overly red-tinted views however. My OP was simple placed with regard to the nature of the ongoing Nani debate - not one of the fact that his name was uttered at all.
Nani's never had an injury plagued season like this, I can't help but feel he's not in Moyes' plans.
This is interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if they are being more cautious with him.
To be honest, after seeing so much boring football in the past several matches without several good results, people will be very inclined to see something different rather than the same thing over and over again knowing that failure is inevitable. This is the reason why more people want to see Nani and Kagawa play and why people get annoyed when Januzaj doesn't get a run of games even though there is a risk of his body being overworked.
Now, I'm not going to over the top and say Nani will be our saviour, but if what we're currently doing is failing, why not try something different? Why not play a winger who can do more than just cross the ball in from the byline if we're going to be stuck with wingers rather than wide attacking midfielders?
It seems as if Moyes has learned his lesson from when he rushed back other injured players in the past (Rafael, van Persie, Jones, etc.). Still, Physioroom.com doesn't report Nani's return date, and they are very reliable in terms of injury reports. If he still doesn't have a return date, either someone from the club didn't disclose that information or Nani's injury is actually that serious.
I agree with that man
Januzaj has shown at 18 more than Nani has in the past few seasons. He has far more good says than Nani, who realistically has not has a good day for a very long time.
Obliviate?
Let me help you.
It's CRIMINAL to give the likes of Ashley Young, Valencia and Cleverley a never ending ribbon of chances while Nani is dropped at the first excuse. Absolutely criminal. I would never be able to support Moyes again if the likes of Nani left in summer (or Kagawa/RvP, for that matter). It's like we had to buy a new bag, and ended up with the smallest one possible. And because our gold doesn't fit into the new small bag, we decide to throw the extra gold away instead of buying a bigger one. Or some shit simile like that.
The worst part is, every time you play FM, Fifa, etc., Nani always ends up being one of the best in the world. Always. So much potential, so little output.
Emo rant over.
Bloody hell that video just shows what we've been missing in a winger and how we've been 'treated' to the shit that is Valencia and Young.
It's funny because at first everyone will say that you can make anyone look world class with youtube videos. But what would a video of Valencia show? Pretty much the same move that he did 2 years ago over, and over, and over again. Not all too much skill, more just strength and speed to run past a player then smash it in. Young's could show some good long distance shots, but that's about it.
My point is that Manchester United wingers have always been the exciting player, with flair, who get the fans out of their feet, like Ronaldo, giggs, nani, januzaj, etc.. Not safe, defensive players like young and Valencia.
God, we used to be good.
Nani is such a step up on Valencia and Young.
Nani is such a step up on Valencia and Young.
Quickly? It's been at least 2 years (it's actually more) since any of us saw Nani in any kind of form.
Sure he's been hit by unfortunate injuries but that's not the point. If anything these injuries are likely to have further effects on him particularly as he seems to get a lot of muscular issues.
Now there's no reason to call him out on it in a vicious way which some fans naturally do but there is substance to the argument that Nani hasn't been able to produce for us for a long time and he may never produce at the top level again, whilst his time at a genuinely premium level wasn't particularly long.
It's been around 2 years actually, you're right there. He's had terrible luck with injuries to the point where I think he's just really injury prone these days. The things that give us hope that he can still come good is that turned 27 this season, and the last time he did have a genuine run of games came before these injury problems started and he was one of our best players. Since then he'd be out for a few months, come back, have a few games here and there, be inconsistent as all players coming back from injury are then get injured again. Fair point on the injuries having an impact on him in the future, but that's not guaranteed and is just a guess really considering he's hardly played these last 2 years.
It's a big if, but IF he can get over his injury problems, if given a run of games then I'm pretty sure he'd get back to his level from 2 years ago (that lasted for 2 years, so it was a decent amount of time). I don't think that's ever going to happen though, partly because Moyes didn't play him much when he was fit and the fact he's usually injured.
Injuries have really stalled his career. He has shown what he can do when he is a fixture in the team. He can do things on the pitch that Valencia and Young can only dream of.
Fergie rated highly saying he had a future at United and gave Nani the start in the return leg against Madrid when he just returned from injury. Nani created our goal and was incredibly unlucky to be sent off.
He scores, he assists, he beats players for fun, has insane pace and is unpredictable. Yes he is frustrating and selfish at times but I'd gladly put up with that than Young and Valencia's predictable wing play that has been atrocious for 2 full seasons.
Fergie rated highly saying he had a future at United and gave Nani the start in the return leg against Madrid when he just returned from injury. Nani created our goal and was incredibly unlucky to be sent off.
He scores, he assists, he beats players for fun, has insane pace and is unpredictable. Yes he is frustrating and selfish at times but I'd gladly put up with that than Young and Valencia's predictable wing play that has been atrocious for 2 full seasons.
What is this?
Let me run you through what happened.
You first found Gaeilge's sense of humour misplaced when he jokingly asked a question about why we're still discussing about Nani. You detected an undertone of mockery in his line of thought, which, according to your interpretation, was the based on the presumption that Gaeilge found the thought of discussing a player who has been a long term absentee through injury (Nani, in this case) amusing and pointless.
You found it irritating that such a question be asked about a Manchester United player on a Manchester United forum, especially when the player in question is a flamboyant winger absent for hardly three months. So you then decided to mock HIS presumption by stating your logic in a rhetorically negative manner. You further carried the rhetoric to borderline sarcasm through references to the ongoing obsession with Moyes and by portraying the monologue of an elderly absent-minded gentleman painfully striving to overcome his amnesia - a fine job that, sir.
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I picked up the story line from where you left off, and enquired after whether the amnesia stated above was the result of an 'Obliviate' Spell (from the Harry Potter series). (Lame, wasn't it?) Then I continued on to my point - which was to remind folks of how good Nani was and can be. After that, I slipped into a narrative of how I harbour fears that David Moyes might deprive the fans of watching Nani play at his best again (by using an ill-considered simile), because for me, there is nothing more terrible than unrealized potential or a broken dream.
Feck - that was some shit.
Let me run you through what happened.
You first found Gaeilge's sense of humour misplaced when he jokingly asked a question about why we're still discussing about Nani. You detected an undertone of mockery in his line of thought, which, according to your interpretation, was the based on the presumption that Gaeilge found the thought of discussing a player who has been a long term absentee through injury (Nani, in this case) amusing and pointless.
You found it irritating that such a question be asked about a Manchester United player on a Manchester United forum, especially when the player in question is a flamboyant winger absent for hardly three months. So you then decided to mock HIS presumption by stating your logic in a rhetorically negative manner. You further carried the rhetoric to borderline sarcasm through references to the ongoing obsession with Moyes and by portraying the monologue of an elderly absent-minded gentleman painfully striving to overcome his amnesia - a fine job that, sir.
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I picked up the story line from where you left off, and enquired after whether the amnesia stated above was the result of an 'Obliviate' Spell (from the Harry Potter series). (Lame, wasn't it?) Then I continued on to my point - which was to remind folks of how good Nani was and can be. After that, I slipped into a narrative of how I harbour fears that David Moyes might deprive the fans of watching Nani play at his best again (by using an ill-considered simile), because for me, there is nothing more terrible than unrealized potential or a broken dream.
Feck - that was some shit.
Ah, you lost me at the Harry Potter reference.
Now it makes sense.
Any news on when Nanners is back?
We can't handle the shitness of Valencia playing any longer!
We can't handle the shitness of Valencia playing any longer!
Apparently back in training so might play vs west brom.
Nani = 1/2 good games in a row & then 3/4 atrocious games thereafter... then dropped / injured!
He's got one of the worst attitudes i've ever seen a player have at United. Terrible to think we had such high hopes for him & it turned out he just doesnt seem to give a monkeys most of the time.. Seems to play well for Portugal tho
What does my head, is the form both Nani & Cleverly had in the 2nd half of the Community Shield against City a couple of seasons ago - they were brilliant.
Regardless of injury lay-offs causing a dip in form when returned, those players dont seem to have the mental strength to come back as good, or even stronger like top-class players do!
He's got one of the worst attitudes i've ever seen a player have at United. Terrible to think we had such high hopes for him & it turned out he just doesnt seem to give a monkeys most of the time.. Seems to play well for Portugal tho
What does my head, is the form both Nani & Cleverly had in the 2nd half of the Community Shield against City a couple of seasons ago - they were brilliant.
Regardless of injury lay-offs causing a dip in form when returned, those players dont seem to have the mental strength to come back as good, or even stronger like top-class players do!
Nani = 1/2 good games in a row & then 3/4 atrocious games thereafter... then dropped / injured!
He's got one of the worst attitudes i've ever seen a player have at United. Terrible to think we had such high hopes for him & it turned out he just doesnt seem to give a monkeys most of the time.. Seems to play well for Portugal tho
What does my head, is the form both Nani & Cleverly had in the 2nd half of the Community Shield against City a couple of seasons ago - they were brilliant.
Regardless of injury lay-offs causing a dip in form when returned, those players dont seem to have the mental strength to come back as good, or even stronger like top-class players do!
This reads like a parody of some people's weird attitude towards Nani.
When has he displayed the worst attitude of any player for United? When has he ever had 4 atrocious games in a row? It's completely made up rubbish. I'm at the point where I hope we sell him so I haven't got open up this hell hole of a thread and read all this crap.
You obviously have a short memory or havent been watchin him play, because he's a complete let-down for the majority of his time here - same as Anderson (bar his debut season)!
Even MUTV pundits like Macari, May etc, all openly same the same thing - helluva lot more miss than hit since he's been here & you never know which Nani is gonna turn up!
Nani = 1/2 good games in a row & then 3/4 atrocious games thereafter... then dropped / injured!
He's got one of the worst attitudes i've ever seen a player have at United. Terrible to think we had such high hopes for him & it turned out he just doesnt seem to give a monkeys most of the time.. Seems to play well for Portugal tho
What does my head, is the form both Nani & Cleverly had in the 2nd half of the Community Shield against City a couple of seasons ago - they were brilliant.
Regardless of injury lay-offs causing a dip in form when returned, those players dont seem to have the mental strength to come back as good, or even stronger like top-class players do!
What on earth are you waffling about?
Doesn't care most of the time? Do you have some insight into his mind that the rest of us lack?
For 2 years he was one of our most productive players and he certainly didn't have 3/4 atrocious games back then.
Oh sorry, my bad.. my bad. Nani is world-class & has been one of the best players for United in living memory...
Oh sorry, my bad.. my bad. Nani is world-class & has been one of the best players for United in living memory...
Do you lack the power of comprehension are you just plain stupid?
Complete and utter fiction.Nani = 1/2 good games in a row & then 3/4 atrocious games thereafter... then dropped / injured!
He's got one of the worst attitudes i've ever seen a player have at United. Terrible to think we had such high hopes for him & it turned out he just doesnt seem to give a monkeys most of the time.. Seems to play well for Portugal tho
What does my head, is the form both Nani & Cleverly had in the 2nd half of the Community Shield against City a couple of seasons ago - they were brilliant.
Regardless of injury lay-offs causing a dip in form when returned, those players dont seem to have the mental strength to come back as good, or even stronger like top-class players do!
It sounds faintly ridiculous to say it, but there was a time when Nani was not only one our most consistent players, he was regularly our best attacker. He was still getting better as well, his confidence and his judgment improving all the time.
Then he got "tackled" by Carragher and it feels like he's not been the same player since. Injury on re-injury, never playing long enough to build up that confidence that's crucial to a flair player's game. I don't know if he can come back now, not because he's 27, just because his nerve seems to have gone. The United crowd haven't been too gentle with him either. A move might be the right thing for him.
On the other hand, if there was ever a moment for a winger to cheer up the mood, this is it. Anyone know if he traveled with the team?
Then he got "tackled" by Carragher and it feels like he's not been the same player since. Injury on re-injury, never playing long enough to build up that confidence that's crucial to a flair player's game. I don't know if he can come back now, not because he's 27, just because his nerve seems to have gone. The United crowd haven't been too gentle with him either. A move might be the right thing for him.
On the other hand, if there was ever a moment for a winger to cheer up the mood, this is it. Anyone know if he traveled with the team?
If he's fit I'd start him in every game remaining this season. Would guarantee a handful of goals and assists I reckon.
Oh sorry, my bad.. my bad. Nani is world-class & has been one of the best players for United in living memory...
Why isn't this kind of post a bannable offence?
Training picture from 6th March:
If Moyes is going to carefully manage Januzaj then the only person who should be playing instead is Nani
Perhaps he didn't quite make it for last game, and i'd perhaps opt to NOT play him against pool despite my love-in for him... when do we think it's likely we'll see Nani again?
Training picture from 6th March:
"Here son. Go take it, you're playing for the reserve XI now"
Looking forward to Nani's return. One thing we do lack is a lot of pace, which Nani can provide.
It's an understandable reaction to the Nani mafia who leap on any critical comment of the player like a litigious lawyer throwing around cease and desist orders like they're going out of fashion. It's completely unique to this place, it's a section of posters are on the take. You can criticise any United player, and a lot have and do, but Nani? Oh no, the Nafia will be after you.
Anyone who voices any other opinion than the one the person you quoted sarcastically posted, gets the Nafia treatment here. Even when someone mentions his inconsistency which is as evident as the man having two hands, the Nafia are there.
Or Kagawa. But yes, I agree with your general line of thought.
From now until the end of the season we should be consistently picking from either Mata, Rooney, Januzaj, Nani or Kagawa for the 3 spots behind the forward.
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