Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances

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holyland red said:
It's the same as waiting for Anderson and Cleverley to recapture the form they showed in the CS win over City. Nani hasn't performed for years now, and it's time to move on.
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It's nothing like that. Cleverley has played 22 matches this season, and shown himself to be way sub-standard in nearly all of them. Nani has played 7 and done fairly well in 4 or 5, had a couple of below par martches and one total shocker.

Anderson was maybe closer, in as far as he was also injured loads, but when he did come in mostly looked completely off the pace.

The reason people still have a lot of hope for Nani is that, while he's been a bit hit and miss, and tended to need a few games to get into his stride, he has actually put in a fair number of decent performances in the last couple of years, they've just been very interrupted by injury and contract issues.

Also, unlike Nani, Cleverley and Anderson didn't spend most of 2010 and 2011 as about hte bets in their position in the Premier League, which is a fairly key difference.
 
akash02 said:
Moyes dropped Nani as soon as he had a bad game where as Young and especially Valencia keep getting rewarded for incompetence.
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This does worry me.

I'd like to think that was when Moyes was only a couple of months into the job, and things weren't as dire - whereas by now he'd be desperate to give another plan a go and get Valencia and Young off the team-sheet. Sadly the evidence doesn't seem to back this up... the best response to another tumescent display from Valencia always seems to be to give him another try in Moyes' mind.
 
Sir A1ex said:
It's nothing like that. Cleverley has played 22 matches this season, and shown himself to be way sub-standard in nearly all of them. Nani has played 7 and done fairly well in 4 or 5, had a couple of below par martches and one total shocker.

Anderson was maybe closer, in as far as he was also injured loads, but when he did come in mostly looked completely off the pace.

The reason people still have a lot of hope for Nani is that, while he's been a bit hit and miss, and tended to need a few games to get into his stride, he has actually put in a fair number of decent performances in the last couple of years, they've just been very interrupted by injury and contract issues.

Also, unlike Nani, Cleverley and Anderson didn't spend most of 2010 and 2011 as about hte bets in their position in the Premier League, which is a fairly key difference.
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Having had performed consistently well for 12 months during the last 7 seasons suggests that it wouldn't be wise to expect an awful lot over the next couple of years. I would accept being hit-and-miss from youngsters making the step up. With Nani I reckon it's time to part company. I love those 2011 DVDs, but we are facing a major clear-out and what we need right now are leaders who will carry the team when others are going through their "miss" spells.
 
holyland red said:
Having had performed consistently well for 12 months during the last 7 seasons suggests that it wouldn't be wise to expect an awful lot over the next couple of years. I would accept being hit-and-miss from youngsters making the step up. With Nani I reckon it's time to part company. I love those 2011 DVDs, but we are facing a major clear-out and what we need right now are leaders who will carry the team when others are going through their "miss" spells.
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I can understand and accept this view point but I hope it's not a case of selling Nani and keeping Valencia and Young.
 
For me it doesn't matter whether he maintains his inconsistent form that you get these days. It'd still be so much better than seeing Valencia and Young out there in their current state - especially when you consider our inability to create a sufficient number of opportunities to score.
 
holyland red said:
Having had performed consistently well for 12 months during the last 7 seasons suggests that it wouldn't be wise to expect an awful lot over the next couple of years. I would accept being hit-and-miss from youngsters making the step up. With Nani I reckon it's time to part company. I love those 2011 DVDs, but we are facing a major clear-out and what we need right now are leaders who will carry the team when others are going through their "miss" spells.
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He had two brilliant years, throughout 2010 and 2011, and then an injury hit 2012 which still included some good performances. It's only since November 2012 that it's all gone wrong. He got that hamstring injury and since then has never really been fit. I think he's started maybe a dozen games in that time, and rarely more than two in a row. It's a long time, but there's plenty of players who've come back from longer than a troublesome 16 months. When you consider our god-awful options in his position, and the fact that we really have to prioritise spending elsewhere in the team, it would be absurd to give up on him.
 
holyland red said:
Having had performed consistently well for 12 months during the last 7 seasons suggests that it wouldn't be wise to expect an awful lot over the next couple of years. I would accept being hit-and-miss from youngsters making the step up. With Nani I reckon it's time to part company. I love those 2011 DVDs, but we are facing a major clear-out and what we need right now are leaders who will carry the team when others are going through their "miss" spells.
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Much as Akash said, this is fair enough. I'm certainly not putting all my hoped on Nani, but I do think he's got to be worth more of a go than Valencia and Young... at least give him the chance to show if he's as shit as them (which he's pretty much never previously been).
 
Between January 2010 and his major hamstring injury in November 2012 Nani started 72 league games and scored 21 goals and assisted a further 41.

Now I'm always a bit put off by this forum's attitude that any player injured for more than a few months should immediately be kicked out, but seriously, that's not the return of a player you give up on easily. Especially not when you have Valencia and Young's combined contribution since his injury of 5 goals and 12 assists since Nani's hamstring injury.

The only sensible justification for keeping Young and Valencia is that they'll be harder to sell, and that's despite Nani having much longer left on his contract and probably the highest wages of the three. It kinda says a lot...
 
I'm talking long-term, and not who's going to play until the end of the season. I wouldn't want us to sign a 10-million pounds player whose main attributes are having played well in 2011 and being better than Valencia and Young. Therefore, if we find any club willing to pay 8-10 million Nani should go.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
He won't get a run of games anywhere unless he stays fit. Injuries have been as big a problem as inconsistency of performance this last 12-18 months.
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His fitness is big problem lately, but he was dropped often when he was also fit under Moyes, like that period after the Stoke game where he was dropped for five games, even though that was nothing worse performance than most of our players are playing at the moment/played at the different periods of season. It seems like Kagawa and Nani are the only players who get punishment for shit performances in this team(maybe one or two more including the likes of Chicharito but he isn't good to be first choice anyway).
 
Chabon said:
He had two brilliant years, throughout 2010 and 2011, and then an injury hit 2012 which still included some good performances. It's only since November 2012 that it's all gone wrong. He got that hamstring injury and since then has never really been fit. I think he's started maybe a dozen games in that time, and rarely more than two in a row. It's a long time, but there's plenty of players who've come back from longer than a troublesome 16 months. When you consider our god-awful options in his position, and the fact that we really have to prioritise spending elsewhere in the team, it would be absurd to give up on him.
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Opinions, you know. I'm not sure we can afford having first choice players who "need a run of games to get going", particularly if they have a dodgy fitness record.
 
There's no point thinking about Nani. He's simply not a Moyes player. While Valencia is fit he'll continue to play on the right, no matter how limited he's been this year.
 
Freak said:
Does it really matter when he comes back? Moyes will pick both young and Valencia over him anyway.
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The Cup game against Chelsea I think when Fergie blamed Nani even though he had a pretty good game, he got dropped after it if I recall correctly. Yet, all of that season when Valencia was having an absolute stink Fergie persisted with him.

Makes me wonder if Moyes has a single original thought so far in running this team. He dropped Nani from the team after the Stoke game for a not so great performance but, that was also the game his cross lead to a goal yet persists with Valencia (and Young) when they perform abysmally - in the case of Valencia even costing us games.

Moyes seems to be trying to run the team in the same exact way as Fergie did, from the approach to the constant rotation of players to who gets to continue to play even after bad performances and those who will get dropped, like Nani, after one poor performance.

Nani won't save our season but, when he is back, he should at least get a chance to show he can provide more than what Valencia/Young have so far. The season is gone, now it's time to prepare for the next - he should know enough about Young/Valencia, he should at least see what he can get from Nani when he gets a run of games.
 
Freak said:
Does it really matter when he comes back? Moyes will pick both young and Valencia over him anyway.
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Apart from the games this season when he didn't, obviously.
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Freak said:
Like yesterday I guess.
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You know what? This kind of shit sums up what really fecking irritates me. How does this even make sense in your head? "pfft, he picked Young and Valencia when Nani is injured, so why wouldn't he pick them when Nani is fit?" It's completely fecking nonsensical.

I keep getting dragged into responding to stuff like this and it's starting to feel like I'm only posting to defend Moyes. In truth I have no reason to defend Moyes - I don't rate him and think we'd be better off without him. However there are more than enough fair and true criticisms we can make of Moyes without resorting to just making things up and accusing him of things that he hasn't done or that just aren't true. It just undermines the whole discussion. Why not blame Moyes also for not playing Mata yesterday? Maybe we should blame him for not picking Ronaldo, too.
 
Moyes picked Valencia and Young from the very start of the season when he could have picked Nani. He has a clear liking for them - So did Sir Alex Ferguson. Unfortunately thats not the part of his legacy we were hoping he'd continue...
 
The correct summary of Nani's career is:

07/08: Fantastic debut season
08/09: Young player crap second season (tm)
09/10: Slow start but then a stunning second half
10/11: Arguably best player in the league.
11/12: Great when he played, but injuries started to creep in
12/13: Okay start and then the hamstring injury which has defined his career since
13/14: New contract, brief run in team, dropped by cowardly manager, major injury again

The notion that he was only ever good for one year is absurd, although it is kinda sad that his very best period as a United player came exactly halfway through his career here.
 
Ekeke said:
Moyes picked Valencia and Young from the very start of the season when he could have picked Nani. He has a clear liking for them - So did Sir Alex Ferguson. Unfortunately thats not the part of his legacy we were hoping he'd continue...
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Fergie still played Nani against Real last season as well as starting both FA cup games vs Chelsea. They had something of a fall out but Fergie still recognised Nani's value
 
Chabon said:
The correct summary of Nani's career is:

07/08: Fantastic debut season
08/09: Young player crap second season (tm)
09/10: Slow start but then a stunning second half
10/11: Arguably best player in the league.
11/12: Great when he played, but injuries started to creep in
12/13: Okay start and then the hamstring injury which has defined his career since
13/14: New contract, brief run in team, dropped by cowardly manager, major injury again

The notion that he was only ever good for one year is absurd, although it is kinda sad that his very best period as a United player came exactly halfway through his career here.
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When did Carragher try to break his leg? I've been wondering if that was the start of his decline.
 
Goooose said:
Nani has the talent, but if you think he's been world class, or even a good United career, you need to get your head out of your arse.
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He was "world class" as you put it for 18 months. For the rest of his United career theres always been something whether its injury or lack of oppertunities, or just poor form.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
When did Carragher try to break his leg? I've been wondering if that was the start of his decline.
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March 2011. I reckon it did for him in the short term, because despite being by far our best player to that point in the season his form fell away and he got dropped for the big CL games. He started the next season brilliantly though, so I'm not sure if it's as simple as that one admittedly horrific incident doing for his confidence. I just wish he'd lamped Carragher before the adrenaline ran out and he fell over.

Goooose said:
Nani has the talent, but if you think he's been world class, or even a good United career, you need to get your head out of your arse.
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Christ, but you have some very high standards for what constitutes 'a good United career'.
 
Goooose said:
Nani has the talent, but if you think he's been world class, or even a good United career, you need to get your head out of your arse.
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He was world class against Bayern Munich at home in 2010, played as a lone striker for part of it too. He's a big game player and has proved that many times.
 
Chabon said:
The correct summary of Nani's career is:

07/08: Fantastic debut season
08/09: Young player crap second season (tm)
09/10: Slow start but then a stunning second half
10/11: Arguably best player in the league.
11/12: Great when he played, but injuries started to creep in
12/13: Okay start and then the hamstring injury which has defined his career since
13/14: New contract, brief run in team, dropped by cowardly manager, major injury again

The notion that he was only ever good for one year is absurd, although it is kinda sad that his very best period as a United player came exactly halfway through his career here.
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This is probably the best summation I've seen thus far.
 
Goooose said:
That was 4 years ago!
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It's also one of the best performances from any United player in recent times. People remember these things. It's just a pity injuries and lack of consistent playing time has pretty much ruined him over the past year and a half.
 
Yeah it's a pity that he's injured all the time, but that's a problem in itself. What's the point of having injury such prone players?

You lot are so bloody deluded.
 
Goooose said:
You know I'm right. It's a fantasy to think he'll ever be one of United's best players.
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Its fantasy to think he'll ever pass the ball to one of our players ever again. feckin useless!

He's been the 12th man for the opposition for so many feckin years. He has more assists for the oppoistion than he has for us over the past 4 seasons.

Nani = 1 good game, then 5 atrocious games thereafter... No heart nor soul, no pride for the shirt. I doubt whether the fecker is even injured to be honest. Feckin Marmite prick!!
 
Still provides a lot more cutting edge than either Tony or Ashley, and younger than both.

IF he can get fit he provides us with a nice way of rotating Januzaj.

Tony and Ashley should get gone... unless maybe Tony could play in CM. Actually amazed we have not tried this.
 
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