Nani works back very well IMO, meaning 442 and 4231 both suit him. If it wasn't for constant injuries I'm sure he'd have nailed down a place by now.
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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Nani works back very well IMO, meaning 442 and 4231 both suit him. If it wasn't for constant injuries I'm sure he'd have nailed down a place by now.
I Imagine he will link up very well with Mata too. He is an intelligent player with good 1 touch passing and movement, he would love playing with him IMO. Hope he is back soon!.
I agree. I also think he can be useful if we decide to move to a narrower system. Him, Mata/Rooney and Kagawa as the 3 behind Van Persie can play this style, but Nani can also play on the touchline and stretch the play, add penetration and get to the dreaded byline, that sort of thing if we need to shake it up.
If he was a combination of those things he'd have the whole footballing world after him. At his best he can combine some parts of those things. What the post neglected was that his best is a rare sight. At his worst he is none of those things.
What about it wasn't true? He has pace in abundance (Valencia probably being our only player who is faster), his technique and dribbling are very good. His work rate isn't bad either - I wouldn't say he's much worse than Young defensively.
It greatly depends on what is meant by flair. I don't really see any comparison with Kagawa or Mata. Their skills are in passing. Nani is a very good crosser but I wouldn't consider him a particularly creative passer. I also don't think he works as hard as Young or Valencia. If he had the attributes attributed to him here he'd be one of the most sought after players in the world. He isn't. He's a good player on his game and it would be nice if he was brought back from this curious disappearance but I wouldn't pin my hopes on it. For me he's a player destined not to fill his potential.
He probably won't fill his potential - with that I agree - but his potential was always world class.
It's always a question of definition. I don't think Nani has the passing of Kagawa and Mata either, but his short passing and flicks are generally very good (definitely better than Rooney for instance). In flair and creative I also would add his dribbling and ability to beat a man, which Kagawa and Mata somewhat lack. I think that at least one of the four attacking players need to be able to have the pace and/or dribbling to go past players. Navas may not be better than the other attacking players at City, but he has the ability to go past players and stretch the opposition in ways that Silva and Nasri cannot do.
Nani's work rate is underrated and probably always will be. He is no Valencia, but he isn't much worse than Young and better than many wingers.
What baffles me is how excited we get at the prospect of Nani back in our side, but then when he returns he gets more stick than any other player every time he makes a mistake. He doesn't stand a chance with our current attitude towards him in my opinion.
This. One bad performance and half the Caf's saying get rid. He's undoubtedly our best winger and even an off form Nani offers more than Valencia and an off form Young. I remember when he used to bombard down the right flank, cut in and unleash fierce left footers that found their way, more often than not, into the back of the net.
A lot of that probably comes from frustration because people know he's a very capable player but that he often fails to deliver, unlike someone such as Young who many have accepted isn't good enough to be a top winger for us. Even if he gets stick, we'd just need to hope he can persevere and prove his worth, although it looks more and more unlikely he'll be able to do that.
From the BBC: David Moyes says Jonny Evans and Phil Jones have not travelled with the Manchester United squad to Greece because of injury. "Everybody else is here," he adds. Will be pretty damning if Nani hasn't travelled now. Unless he deems his injury so long term it doesn't even warrant a mention.
Most definitely, but Nani is a player that tries different things and they won't always come off every time, especially considering he's not had a long run in the side for a while now. I doubt it does anything for his confidence when he'll attempt something, it won't come off and the whole of Old Trafford groans. For someone like Nani it's very often not how many times his ideas/trickery doesn't come off, but the one or two times where it does he produces a class bit of play which could result in a goal.
He is a very frustrating player, but we've seen what a confident Nani is like and he is devastating. We wouldn't bemoan Januzaj when things go wrong for obvious reasons, and of course it's a different situation for Nani - but we should still adopt a similar leniency until it does become ridiculous.
Nani hasn't been in any of the previous times he's mentioned so and so injured but, everyone else is available. Even recall Jones a couple weeks back saying who all won't make it - didn't include Nani and said everyone else is available. So it's not a damning of Nani per se to not mention him.
Nani doesn't get close to the stick players like Young, Valencia or Fellaini get here.
We all know that Nani can perform and would love to see him do his best work in a United kit, but do we take the risk that Nani will continue to underperform?
First of all, he isn't playing. Whenever Nani takes a period out of the team, we reset our memories back to his 10/11 form. Secondly, i'm not just on about on the Caf, i mean actually during the game at Old Trafford. He was booed off earlier this season for what was probably a below par performance, but not the sort that deserved to be booed. It frustrates me when I hear the complaints both during and after the game when a shot from outside the area goes wide or when he fails to beat his man; where we all know that there's a chance that it could come off and we'd all be in awe. We take it from one extreme to the next where this lads concerned, there's no middle ground.
He got booed when he slowly walked off the pitch when we were losing. His attitude was horrendous.
Has he been sold and nobody knows about it? it seems like an age since he's been available for us.
Im afraid the season and a half of form where he was top class is now looking more of the exception rather than the rule. With the talent you have now I would bet a fair chunk on him leaving in the summer. ( Which probably means he'll stay).
How does a Chelsea fan rate Nani?
He's had his chance. Frustrating player.
Agreed, walking off the pitch in such circumstances isn't acceptable. What about our attitude towards him though. For the whole game we were jeering/moaning every time something didn't go quite right for him - is that acceptable from us?
I feel he is done here and fully expect him to move on in the summer. I don't think he fits into Moyes' plans and it's been a long time since we have seen his best form - albeit for various reasons.
Fans get frustrated at times and Nani is easily one of the most frustrating players we have. I can forgive an occasional moan from the crowd but a player seemingly not carin we were losing is always going to further provoke already wound up fans.
His continuing injury problems are definitely a concern, he's lost the best part of 2/2.5 seasons to them now. I think if he stayed fit for a decent spell and was given a proper chance to get form that he would show he's got plenty to give but with his injuries its getting hard to see. It's odd as well, I know people will say that we gave him a contract to maintain his value but I'm not sure, 5 years is a long time for such a deal.
I hope he can overcome him injuries and Moyes does have plans for him. A player of Nani's type is ideal to play with mata/januzaj/kagawa. Any two of those latter three could make a great combo with Rooney/RVP but the one thing any combination of them lacks is pace. Someone who can come in and link up but also has that explosiveness about him and that's the sort of player Nani is. If he did go I think we'd need to find a player like him as just as City/Arsenal have found in recent years you need that variability. Valencia brings pace but he can't link up in the same way (not to mention his unwillingness to use his pace) and Young has it but just isn't the same quality on the ball.
I hope he can overcome him injuries and Moyes does have plans for him. A player of Nani's type is ideal to play with mata/januzaj/kagawa. Any two of those latter three could make a great combo with Rooney/RVP but the one thing any combination of them lacks is pace. Someone who can come in and link up but also has that explosiveness about him and that's the sort of player Nani is. If he did go I think we'd need to find a player like him as just as City/Arsenal have found in recent years you need that variability. Valencia brings pace but he can't link up in the same way (not to mention his unwillingness to use his pace) and Young has it but just isn't the same quality on the ball.
Of course it isn't, but fans have immense double standards. We talk about club loyalty but want to rid players after a couple of bad matches, no matter how loyal they may be.
To answer your question: No! It is not acceptable; supporters should support the club and the players and never ever boo them. One may be critical in a forum such as this, where I hope no players read, but to boo them and distract them at Old Trafford is pathetic.
I think you are pretty much spot on. We need a player like Nani. If he doesn't figure in our plans, we need another one like him. Valencia, as you say, have plenty of pace but seems reluctant to use it other than in his defensive duties, and when he does run past players, he stops for a split second before crossing, subsequently letting the defender block the cross. Young can't run with the ball to save his life; he almost trips on it. Therefore, Nani is the ideal player - he can blast past players and run in behind the defense. Mata and Kagawa can't do that - Januzaj can at times, but he lacks that little bit of top speed at least compared to Nani/Valencia.
I dont think i;ve ever known a player so polarized as Nani by fans.
Ridiculously overrated on here about 1-2 years ago and underrated in real life.
Good player that was great for a while, but has never been world class.
Regressed since and now badly needs a change of scenery. I agree with the other poster I dont think he is in Moyes plans.
Moyes said that he was very much in his plans when he signed him up on a new 5 year contract. He's fecking injured, so I don't know how on earth he'd be in Moyes' plans right now. We'll see if he is when Nani manages to stay injury free for a long period, which he hasn't managed for a long while now.
Right now, there's little evidence to suggest that he's out of Moyes' plans.
Right now, there's little evidence to suggest that he's out of Moyes' plans.
Berbatov probably comes close in terms of polarizing fans, but you're probably right
I think he was definitely close to being world class for us for a year or so where he played better than Ribery and Robben. However, I think world class should be reserved for those showing class over a longer period - Sturridge isn't world class, yet.
Unfortunately, your last paragraph may be too true. Would you take him at Chelsea?
Berbatov probably comes close in terms of polarizing fans, but you're probably right
I think he was definitely close to being world class for us for a year or so where he played better than Ribery and Robben. However, I think world class should be reserved for those showing class over a longer period - Sturridge isn't world class, yet.
Unfortunately, your last paragraph may be too true. Would you take him at Chelsea?
To me world class is an elite group of players who can take games on themselves and really dictate play, or are right at the top of their position in a position thats well contested. Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, Iniesta, Drogba, Vidic, VDS,Henry, Scholes, etc.
Nani was in the bracket below that, top class players, for about 1.5-2 seasons, but since then he regressed.
Lastly, no way, we are well stocked in that area and he would be a downgrade on all.
Really hope Moyes gave him his contract because he believes in him and that he has simply had a pretty long-term injury. It really is depressing if we have a manager who thinks Ashley Young and Valencia offer more than Nani.
Say what you want about his inconsistency. It doesn't help that he gets benched after one bad game every single time while Valencia can be atrocious for 18 months without getting dropped. Poor management (i.e. lack of trust) is the reason why Nani hasn't been able to recapture his awesome 2010 (?) form in my opinion.
Say what you want about his inconsistency. It doesn't help that he gets benched after one bad game every single time while Valencia can be atrocious for 18 months without getting dropped. Poor management (i.e. lack of trust) is the reason why Nani hasn't been able to recapture his awesome 2010 (?) form in my opinion.
That'll be poor management from two managers in a row then. Strange.
Given how Nani's been so injury-prone, I don't know if Moyes will want to keep him. Every season, Nani always misses around 2-4 months due to injury. It's a shame because, to me, he had tons of promise, but he could never show it. He failed as a traditional winger who would just hug the touchline and rarely drift around, and he hasn't been able to establish himself into this side ever since he started to suffer injuries, regularly.
If he's going to continue being injury-prone, it's best for both parties if he moves on. However, I'd love for him to stay if he can keep himself fit for much of the season.
If he's going to continue being injury-prone, it's best for both parties if he moves on. However, I'd love for him to stay if he can keep himself fit for much of the season.
Not that strange considering all Moyes has been doing so far is to copy Fergie.
Aren't the likes of Juventus and Inter interested in signing him ? Could be used as a bargaining tool for Kovacic or maybe .001 % chance for Pogba/ Vidal.
He isnt dead is he?? Did Michael Jackson use him to fake his death?? Well since Jackson died Nani has been injured or crap!!
He's the best example of a player who is going to need a run of games and confidence before he starts playing well. We never give him a run of games, hence he's rarely playing well. If he was playing every week at another club I'm sure he'd be much closer to that 18 months of great form, no guarantees he'd be as good. But we're never going to get it from him bringing him in for 1 or 2 matches every 3 months. He doesnt work like that and we know it by now.
He won't get a run of games anywhere unless he stays fit. Injuries have been as big a problem as inconsistency of performance this last 12-18 months.
Juve always seem to get linked to him but I can't see how he would fit I into the 3-5-2 system Conte uses. He is too attacking to be one of the wing backs in that system, so there doesn't seem a natural fit.
Conte could change it of course but I don't see why he should. Two scudettos in a row and currently top again having lost 1 in 25 games. Changing it doesn't make sense to me but these Nani rumours won't go away, and they were linked to players like Menez as well at PSG. Maybe it has something to do with the Champions League exit... not sure, but I think the only way Nani to Juve would make sense if he adapted his tactics.
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