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Luis Nani | 2012/13 Performances
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Sir Alex - "A lot of younger players, the ones who have been on the fringes for the last few weeks, and I desperately want them to feel their contribution has been big.
"Chicharito, Danny Welbeck, Tom Cleverley and Nani - I think it's important to get them involved in the last few weeks."
From here: http://bit.ly/14csgUH
I just think those quotes are a little disrespectful to Nani personally, Cleverley as well considering how good he was when partnered with Carrick.
Nani is 26 now and has been a regular starter when fit for about three seasons now up until this season.
"Chicharito, Danny Welbeck, Tom Cleverley and Nani - I think it's important to get them involved in the last few weeks."
From here: http://bit.ly/14csgUH
I just think those quotes are a little disrespectful to Nani personally, Cleverley as well considering how good he was when partnered with Carrick.
Nani is 26 now and has been a regular starter when fit for about three seasons now up until this season.
But both have been on the fringes lately.
All of them have. For the last few weeks. As Fergie said.
I'm probably just being dramatic. The comment just irked me. I guess I just don't feel Nani should have been on the fringes in the first place. Cleverley shouldn't have been either.
It's certainly a fair question you're asking. For Nani to be lumped in with those others undermines his status, he is older and more established than they are.
Fergie knows what he's doing picking a team. They'll have been dropped for good reason. Now he says he wants to give them games to remind them they played a big part in the season as a whole. Can't see any reason to criticise him here.
What's the point in playing someone who is leaving? We were doing fine without him, it's not like he is a indispensable player.
Had Fergie not mentioned Nani the comments would have been along the lines of "He's ignoring him" etc etc.
Yeah this was the part that irritated me the most I guess. If Wikipedia is to be trusted Nani has featured 133 times for us while the other three combined have featured 164 times. Nani has also won our player of the year and been a regular starter for about 3 years now while none of the others have ever been a regular starter for a sustained period.
Again I'm probably just being dramatic, but it did irk me. I know Sir Alex has his reasons for not playing Nani but I am guessing it doesn't have a whole lot to do with his footballing ability/performances.
I was pushing for Nani to be included somehow vs Villa but hes rode players who are in form or will give 100% for the cause. Im with you on Nani but all he can do now is prove to Fergie he deserves to play.
we've just sealed the league with 4 games to spare and baring a huge decision could still be in the CL - Fergie has been vindicated and although he could have worded it a touch better obviously trying to stoke the coals
Or he could have had his contract sorted out and come back as one of the best wingers in the league.
This I like.
I wouldn't question or criticise SAF's man management. If he felt it needed saying, it needed saying. It doesn't irk me he said it. All I'm saying is it's quite a clear message, lumping Nani in with the kids like that.
I don't think there's anything to be read into it as regards whether he'll stay or go tho.
I don't think there's anything to be read into it as regards whether he'll stay or go tho.
He's not, but no one is. It's that sort of attitude towards him though that has took him from being one of our best and most talented players, one who's won our player of the year award to one who has lost all confidence and one who is soon to be sold for less than we paid for him...
We played a blinder here didn't we?
Imo, the best explanation is that Fergie is nudging him towards the exit, along with Anderson, and possibly Rooney.
Fergie tried to push him out the door, but Nani's wage demand put off Zenit
I feel uneasy attributing blame from the perspective of a fan, but what remains is that this whole situation has been a complete mess. If we lose Nani, we're going to lose one of the most talented players in the world - a player that provides something that no other player we have does and a player who is capable of making us play far better football as a team. Irrespective of whether we are fault here, the fact that we are in this situation just seems ridiculous. He's no doubt been very unfortunate with injury and has had consistency issues regardless of his availability/selection but it's just so frustrating. To say that this wasn't in the script after that 10/11 season is a complete understatement. I watch that Dortmund last night and curse the fact that we're probably losing a player of comparable technique and ability to the players on that pitch for a sub-par fee.
We're not, we are really really not. True he has the ability to do something special but he is far to inconsistent to be considered world class, he's nowhere near.
I hope he moves in the summer.
Disrespectful to suggest a player deserves more game time having not featured much of late... what? I'd be much more worried if he mentioned the others and not Nani - that'd be curtains without doubt.
Maybe not this season but two years ago he was producing goals and assists every game and got nominated for the Ballon d'Or. If not world class he was very nearly there. He clearly has the talent, for me that is without question.
I think when you look at what he was in 2010, you can say that on top form he's one of the best dribblers on the planet, an excellent crosser, a player with supreme close control and, again, a first touch up there with pretty much anyone. On top of this he's got underrated vision, his general link up play is great and he has that bit of magic in him. He was scoring ridiculous goals and putting in stunning performances at will at one point.
That's talent in my opinion, and if it isn't then I'm not particularly sure what is. I'm not saying if we keep him he'll ever fully fulfil his potential, but I just don't see how it can be contested that Nani is one of the most gifted players out there. He was easily one of the top players on the planet throughout the calender year of 2010. It's what makes it so frustrating - he should've cemented himself by now as being absolutely top drawer, but for a variety of reasons it's just not happened.
True, a couple of years ago he was very nearly world class. Since then he has been nothing like world class.
He was perhaps the best winger in the world at that point given that Messi's position was shifting and that Ronaldo hadn't really been a winger for 3 years. The term seems arbitrary and unfixed but he was easily 'world class' then.
Either way, that wasn't the point made. The point made was that based on his skill set he is one of the most gifted players out there. Top 20 maybe, who knows. It's difficult to rank but I'm guessing people on here would struggle to come up with too many players with superior attributes who have played at a higher level than Nani did that year. It's not like he's been all talent, no performance; he's had an outstanding year previously whereby this talent has been applied.
For that reason, I outlined why it was frustrating that we're going to lose a player like this. I don't mean to say we've fecked it up in any way or that he'll definitely be a star if we keep him; it's just annoying that it hasn't gone to plan.
While I agree that it's annoying that he hasn't achieved his potential after so many dismal performances, my opinion is sell and move on.
I can't believe you're attempting to having a rational debate with mungy. Is his tagline not enough?
Totaly agree, I really hope he will sign a new contract soon. I think SAF is planing to sell some players and buy some players, and to replace him would just make that puzzle even more difficult and it would make it more difficult to come out of this summer strengthened.
Fair enough. I think he's the last winger we should be looking at getting rid of on the face of things, but by the end of this it may well turn out that he's been a bit of a bellend behind the scenes. That's why I'm a bit cautious in terms of properly pointing fingers because there could be some pretty tosser-ish stuff going on with Nani for all we know.
Do one rat.
Time will tell. For me Tony V is more consistent and actually a beast of a player on his day, plus we have Zaha next year, with Young as back-up...we will survive without Nani.
Are you Serious... The wings were terrible this year, if Nani goes he will need to be replaced with someone his level as well.
I am of course. BTW we won the league this year by (hopefully) a record margin with terrible wingers...all were terrible with Nani the worst. Tony V has had a terrible rehabilitation but recent performances have been good.
To replace a player of Nani's current level will not be to hard..we have with Zaha.
Don't you think that it is to early to say this. Zaha is a complete unknown quantity at this time, a player who has potential but was playing in championshi. It is not that we have just signed Gotze.
Replacing the Nani of THIS season is not going to be hard. But surely we should be aspiring for more, like replacing Nani as we've seen him at his best. We've no one capable of that.
We're by no means dependant on him if this year is anything to go by. I just think he's clearly the sort of player that could help us to take it up a gear and that players like that are hard to come by. What we've lacked out wide this year is exactly what he is capable of providing.
We can only wait to see what happens on the Valencia front...he was consistent this year alright.
I can't help but fear with Zaha (even if this could perhaps been seen as more of an irrational fear than anything) that he'll get here and fall into this general collective hesitancy that pretty much every attacking player in the team seems to have fallen into at some point. From what I've seen of him since he's signed, he looks like a talented player with no second thoughts or hesitancy on the pitch whatsoever. A perhaps slightly irrational part of me is cautious that he'll come here and be a bit like Valencia from this year if this freedom and confidence ever deserts him. I think the same thing has happened with Kagawa in comparison to his Dortmund days but the sheer extent of his technical ability has carried him through it either way. Zaha is no kick and run merchant but I'm not sure I see a really top drawer technical footballer in him at this moment. Basically, I see no guarantees.As for Young, he's a good squad player that is used more like a first team player. That's the problem. If the last few years of watching football have taught me anything it's that even if top drawer teams do not have exceptional footballers in their first XI, they tend to have players that perfectly compliment an exceptional system. Pedro is good example of this. I think Fergie is trying to go for this sort of effect with Young (a la Park) but I just don't see it working - he hasn't got the ridiculously effective work ethic that Park had, nor is he quite the technical player to facilitate a top team like Pedro was for that 10/11 Barcelona team.
Bit of a long way of going about explaining my doubts, but yeah...selling Nani seems absolutely bonkers in view of this sort of reasoning. Zaha may well turn out amazing for all we know but it's unclear at this point even regardless of my weird anxieties how he'll be next season. I think most people would see it as reasonable to expect him to perform at a similar - perhaps slightly superior - level to Moses. Would that be good enough if Nani left and Valencia only improved marginally? I'm not so sure. We're always in with a huge chance of winning the league but the bar in Europe has been set very high this year.
Considering that level was now basically 2 seasons ago it doesn't really need replacing does it? and we haven't really done too badly since then.
Everything we've had on the wings those last couple of seasons - even if taking this season as an exception in how poor it was - has not reached the level of Nani of 2010. Surely we should be looking to become as best as we can and indeed have on the wing rather than sell for just being OK?
Of our wingers, Nani is still the one most capable of unexpected and game winning moments. If he goes, we should be looking for someone to replace those kind of moments.
Supposedly* Juventus are offering 12m and the wages he wants.
*according to the Sun.
*according to the Sun.
£12m for a player of his quality? 
What do you expect? He has a year on his contract and had a crap season.
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