Luis Nani | 2011/12 Performances

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Was he? Young was always really, really inconsistent.

Exactly, it was quite apparent on here that Young was a player who blows hot and cold when we signed him, much like his first season with us. Not to say he had a bad season by any means because he didnt, infact he done just as well as i thought he would. Decent
 
As someone mentioned in another post, you could say every player in the world lacks consistency, i mean what is consistent these days? Messi and Ronaldo consistent? Nobody can match them for it, absolutely nobody. Nani missed a good few games this season, and in the end still notched up the 2nd most assists and 3rd most goals in our team and this was a supposed underwhelming season from him. It's not his fault he got injured is it? What about the season before? he was our best player up until not long before Carragher injured him. Short memories.

Messi and Ronaldo are beasts, however some players are more consistent then others. I stick to what I said. If Nani can deliver the goods then he'll be second only to Ronaldo and Messi. However at this point in time a lesser talented player like Young can give him a run for his money. If Valencia can do that (whose a great player but not as technically gifted as Nani is) then Young can do it too.

I believe we've got 3 excellent wingers whom, when on form, can end up being very useful at United and difficult to dislodge. That's all.
 
I think that he has yet to settle down at OT. Young was a much better player at Villa then he was with us during last season.

Last season with United was the second best of his career in terms of performances, he really has never been a much better player for Villa than he was last season. Living in the West Mid. and having most my friends support Villa I've followed him since roughly '07. I thought after 08-09 he could step up a level, as he was still 23 and inconsistency was expected, but he really hasn't. He has always been a player that thrives on confidence and has been very up and down presumably because of this. Unfortunately with age he didn't grow out of this inconsistency and at 27, unless Fergie works wonders I can't see it.

If he was 23 I'd still have hopes that he could reach the level of Valencia and possibly at a push Nani, but unless something unexpected occurs he'll only be a squad player here (he could end up being a backup if the likes of Hazard are signed).
 
Messi and Ronaldo are beasts, however some players are more consistent then others. I stick to what I said. If Nani can deliver the goods then he'll be second only to Ronaldo and Messi. However at this point in time a lesser talented player like Young can give him a run for his money. If Valencia can do that (whose a great player but not as technically gifted as Nani is) then Young can do it too.

I believe we've got 3 excellent wingers whom, when on form, can end up being very useful at United and difficult to dislodge. That's all.

The only thing which has stopped Nani from being more consistent as you say in the past 2 seasons has been injuries at the wrong times, since he ended up out the side in the run to the CL final in 2011, and when he came on he was our best player. This season he got injured which was not a huge loss at the time because Valencia was in superb form. He needs a good euros and an injury free season, but apart from that I think Nani's been playing fine, most of the time he creates something even if he is having a so called off day.
 
Technically Nani is the by far our best winger. However he lacks consistency. If Young can produce the same level of football he did with Aston Villa at a consistent level then he stands a chance of competing for a first team place. However, if Nani start producing the stuff week in week out then there's no one in the world who can put him on the bench apart from Messi and Ronaldo.

Agree. Young has done well in terms of being clinical in front of goal and he's scored some important goals. He also provides a little more defensively. Nani is however in a different league in terms of ability but I still feel he's the one who'll be under threat more often if we sign Hazard. I certainly can't see them both in the starting 11 against the big sides, but it would be exciting.
 
Agree. Young has done well in terms of being clinical in front of goal and he's scored some important goals. He also provides a little more defensively. Nani is however in a different league in terms of ability but I still feel he's the one who'll be under threat more often if we sign Hazard. I certainly can't see them both in the starting 11 against the big sides, but it would be exciting.

No, I mean why play 2 of your best players against the big sides.

Why do Barca play Messi, Villa, Fabregas and Iniesta?

Why do Real play Benzema, Ronaldo, Özil?

Your day gets worse and worse.
 

Its funny in theory but in practice its can happen. Football history is filled with players like Di Livio and Gattuso whom despite not being the more technically gifted players around managed to do well with top clubs. Our own Ji Sung Park was able to go toe to toe with more talented wingers and up to 1-2 seasons ago he was amongst those contending for a first team place while the likes of Hernandez and Welbeck had basically moved up the pecking order leaving a much more technically gifted Berba as 4th striker.

I repeat, if Young can produce the same way he did at Aston Villa on a regular basis then he's got a chance of winning a first team place. It may not be on the same terms the likes of Giggs in his prime used to have (ie he's an undisputed first teamer with the likes of Blomqvist and Fortune limiting themselves as mere cover) but he can do it.
 
Was Young really that good at Villa? From what I remember, there wasn't a huge amount between him and Downing performance-wise, despite Young clearly being the more talented footballer.
 
What difference does that make? Does he not already have the benefit of say, his entire footballing career so far, in which he's never looked close to Nani's talent, who is also younger than him?

I've read it all today. I like Young, a lot, but god damn how is he being compared to Nani in any capacity?

Exactly.

Nani is probably the most ungratefully treated player by United fans.

IMO Nani >Valencia > Young(apart from last few months)
 
Was Young really that good at Villa? From what I remember, there wasn't a huge amount between him and Downing performance-wise, despite Young clearly being the more talented footballer.

A mate of mine in work is a Villa fan, he insisted that for them Downing was the better player and he was more annoyed at losing him than Young. I don't agree, personally, that Downing is/was better than Young, but this whole "Young is more consistent than Nani" that I've heard in this thread goes against the handful of Villa fans I know who insist the main problem he had in his time there was a lack of consistency.
 
Nani fanboys are the worst ones, just can't admit that he has his flaws.

I don't think a single poster has denied he has his flaws. However, even with those flaws he is still clearly a better player than Ashley Young. It's quite simple really.
 
And for some reason they can't seem to bring themselves to like the likes of Young and Valencia since they pose a threat to him.

It was bad enough when Valencia's presence forced him to play at left wing and not 'his' position at right wing. Now Young's in the mix as well and they don't like it one bit. Just appreciate that we have three excellent wingers, probably the best in the league.
 
And for some reason they can't seem to bring themselves to like the likes of Young and Valencia since they pose a threat to him.

It was bad enough when Valencia's presence forced him to play at left wing and not 'his' position at right wing. Now Young's in the mix as well and they don't like it one bit. Just appreciate that we have three excellent wingers, probably the best in the league.

You haven't read the thread have you? Those supporting Nani haven't just started shouting "he's better than Young" for no reason, have they?

It was in response to someone suggesting if Hazard were to sign for United then it would be Nani in danger more so than Young, which makes no sense since every fecker can see that Nani is better.
 
You haven't read the thread have you? Those supporting Nani haven't just started shouting "he's better than Young" for no reason, have they?

It was in response to someone suggesting if Hazard were to sign for United then it would be Nani in danger more so than Young, which makes no sense since every fecker can see that Nani is better.

No, I argued that if Hazard AND Kagawa were to sign it would affect Nani most as Kagawa playing centrally would mean Hazard played from the left in all likelihood. I just think in that situation Young would be used more from the bench as opposed to Nani who is a starter in my opinion. There is no question that Nani is better than Young, but Young has been more clinical this season, just my opinion, and I think SAF see's a greater value in Young for the team. Unless Nani can dislodge Valencia then he's ultimately going to suffer in comparison to Hazard as the teams creative, star player. Not saying I agree with it, just think it's a possibility.

Personally, I want to see Nani succeed and become the player he can be, and if Hazard isn't as good then I don't see the point if we signed Kagawa too. However, I can't see us sign both and I'd be happy with an attack that featured Nani, Kagawa and Valencia with Young being the back up.
 
And for some reason they can't seem to bring themselves to like the likes of Young and Valencia since they pose a threat to him.

It was bad enough when Valencia's presence forced him to play at left wing and not 'his' position at right wing. Now Young's in the mix as well and they don't like it one bit. Just appreciate that we have three excellent wingers, probably the best in the league.

You are way off the mark here. I think Young is a very valuable player to our squad, and combined with Nani and Valencia we have the best wingers in the league, arguably in Europe.

However, if you want to start ranking players, Young finishes third here. Both Nani and Valencia are physically miles above Young; faster, stronger and Nani more agile.

Nani has stated that he prefers playing on the left, so I think only a few players, and certainly not Nani fanboys, would argue that his preferred position is on the right. Imo, he is even more unpredictable on the left. Young cuts in too often, like Robben, and thus is easier to read, nor does he take on his fullback and challenge for pace like Nani and Valencia do.

Nani is also technically superior to both, but particularly Young. I often find myself baffled by how Young struggles to run quickly with the ball. In that respect, he isn't the winger in the mould of Giggs, Nani, Valencia etc who use their pace and trickery to fly past any fullback out there - Young loses his confidence against faster fullbacks like Walker. Nani wouldn't really be all that bothered as he is so quick the first few yards coupled with great dribbling that really very few can keep up. Even Valencia can be taken out of the game by a fast fecker, as long as the fullback has the strength to go with it.

Imo, Valencia is the best short passer of the three and best defensively. Young is a good second here, but Nani is by no means poor defensively.

If you want goals and entertaining football, Nani is the better player. If you want to play safe and keep the ball, Young and Valencia are proably safer bets. Park used to be brilliant at destroying the game for the opposition; so if that is what you want, you probably do not much care for players like Nani etc. I know of supporters who preferred Tevez to Berbatov and Park to Nani due to the amount of yards they run during a match. In my opinion, that isn't much of an argument as football should be about winning matches AND entertaining the audience! Nani contributes to those two things!
 
The one thing I'd give Young over Nani - particularly from the left - is quality of delivery. When Young is on form his crosses are outrageously dangerous. They whip towards the back post, normally given our strikers a chance.

The issue this season has been that Rooney is often slightly too deep, and Chicarito/ Welbeck haven't had their finishing up to snuff.

Agreed on the other stuff though.
 
Nani's had a whole half a season blighted with injuries and yet he has more goals and assists than both Valencia and Young. In other words, a supposedly average season for Nani has been more productive than a supposedly stellar one for Valencia. Whichever facts/stats of whichever season you consider, Nani stands out as our most talented, consistent and productive winger.

It is true that some armchair footballers find Nani's game frustrating compared to Valencia's and Young's reserved style, but you have to understand that it is precisely because of Nani's "frustrating" style that he produces more on the pitch. Valencia in particular seems more "consistent" simply because he doesn't have the talent/skill to choose the high risk - high reward options Nani does on the pitch.
 
You are way off the mark here. I think Young is a very valuable player to our squad, and combined with Nani and Valencia we have the best wingers in the league, arguably in Europe.

However, if you want to start ranking players, Young finishes third here. Both Nani and Valencia are physically miles above Young; faster, stronger and Nani more agile.

Nani has stated that he prefers playing on the left, so I think only a few players, and certainly not Nani fanboys, would argue that his preferred position is on the right. Imo, he is even more unpredictable on the left. Young cuts in too often, like Robben, and thus is easier to read, nor does he take on his fullback and challenge for pace like Nani and Valencia do.

Nani is also technically superior to both, but particularly Young. I often find myself baffled by how Young struggles to run quickly with the ball. In that respect, he isn't the winger in the mould of Giggs, Nani, Valencia etc who use their pace and trickery to fly past any fullback out there - Young loses his confidence against faster fullbacks like Walker. Nani wouldn't really be all that bothered as he is so quick the first few yards coupled with great dribbling that really very few can keep up. Even Valencia can be taken out of the game by a fast fecker, as long as the fullback has the strength to go with it.

Imo, Valencia is the best short passer of the three and best defensively. Young is a good second here, but Nani is by no means poor defensively.

If you want goals and entertaining football, Nani is the better player. If you want to play safe and keep the ball, Young and Valencia are proably safer bets. Park used to be brilliant at destroying the game for the opposition; so if that is what you want, you probably do not much care for players like Nani etc. I know of supporters who preferred Tevez to Berbatov and Park to Nani due to the amount of yards they run during a match. In my opinion, that isn't much of an argument as football should be about winning matches AND entertaining the audience! Nani contributes to those two things!

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Nani's had a whole half a season blighted with injuries and yet he has more goals and assists than both Valencia and Young. In other words, a supposedly average season for Nani has been more productive than a supposedly stellar one for Valencia. Whichever facts/stats of whichever season you consider, Nani stands out as our most talented, consistent and productive winger.

It is true that some armchair footballers find Nani's game frustrating compared to Valencia's and Young's reserved style, but you have to understand that it is precisely because of Nani's "frustrating" style that he produces more on the pitch. Valencia in particular seems more "consistent" simply because he doesn't have the talent/skill to choose the high risk - high reward options Nani does on the pitch.

Well that's just an excellent post. This.
 
Nani's had a whole half a season blighted with injuries and yet he has more goals and assists than both Valencia and Young. In other words, a supposedly average season for Nani has been more productive than a supposedly stellar one for Valencia. Whichever facts/stats of whichever season you consider, Nani stands out as our most talented, consistent and productive winger.

It is true that some armchair footballers find Nani's game frustrating compared to Valencia's and Young's reserved style, but you have to understand that it is precisely because of Nani's "frustrating" style that he produces more on the pitch. Valencia in particular seems more "consistent" simply because he doesn't have the talent/skill to choose the high risk - high reward options Nani does on the pitch.

Don't agree with this. Valencia tries to get to the byeline more than not and cross the ball as it is a high reward ball for scoring. Valencia is also better at defending and winning the ball back carrying it from deep and taking it forward and keeping our shape thus making the team function better. There is more to the game than scoring goals and creating chances.
 
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