Nani started just 7 league games 3 years ago, it's not been that long!
Luis Nani | 2011/12 Performances
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Am I the only one who thinks he's been good from the beginning?
He played about half our games his first season and got an impressive 11 assists which was 1st or 2nd on the team with Giggs, I believe.
He played about half our games his first season and got an impressive 11 assists which was 1st or 2nd on the team with Giggs, I believe.
His first season was good, he even scored a penalty in a CL final after all. Ditto Anderson
I think it was in his second season that he really struggled. His form really dropped off in his second year, and that is probably where questions per his consistency really started.
That's fair
I'd give a little leeway as far as quality, but really each goal is worth the same, no matter how pretty it is. Whether you create a goal from a corner or a blind flick from midfield, you made one goal.
Sure, there's value in aesthetics, but no points. A guy with less, more creative assists might be more likely to improve and create more assists in the future, but I think someone people are overly impressed by beauty. It's the player that makes the simple assist and the amazing assist that's really valuable.
Sure, there's value in aesthetics, but no points. A guy with less, more creative assists might be more likely to improve and create more assists in the future, but I think someone people are overly impressed by beauty. It's the player that makes the simple assist and the amazing assist that's really valuable.
Strikers are judged by the quality of their goals.....without penalties, Van Nistelrooys stats wouldn't have been all that great in the Premiership, yet some here will happily have him on par with Henry, Shearer etc. Who both scored from all over the place and were more involved in the creative process. Huntelaar isnt rated because he bombed when he had his two big chances.
Disagree with that.
Player A goes past 4 players to set up a tap in for the main striker.
Player B receives ball after someone before him goes past 4 to open up the pitch and has the simple task of laying it on the plate for the striker.
Surely, you have to appreciate the difference in those two assists? Player A actually changed the game and made the goal possible. Player B provided a small amount of value addition to the work done by someone before him to ensure it wasn't wasted.
Of course that's a good example of what superior ball control can offer. Let me take Nani as an example of what I'm thinking. Yes, he makes some amazing plays, but he also fails to make some simple ones. In the end, the potential for an assist from the easy pass was just as valuable as from beating 3 men. Failing to make the simple pass somewhat 'ruins' the benefit of the more amazing plays, and what you really want is the player who makes the simple play when it's there and the more challenging one when it's not.
Perhaps player B had great awareness to get himself into position to make the easy pass, having seen the play developing before the defenders. In a way this is more valuable, because beating 3 men runs a high risk of failure, player B has made a play that's more likely to succeed.
I don't really disagree with you, just felt like arguing the other side of things. Flourish for it's own sake is actually a detriment, and some of the most brilliant goals come from out thinking the opponent rather than a moment of magic.
Perhaps player B had great awareness to get himself into position to make the easy pass, having seen the play developing before the defenders. In a way this is more valuable, because beating 3 men runs a high risk of failure, player B has made a play that's more likely to succeed.
I don't really disagree with you, just felt like arguing the other side of things. Flourish for it's own sake is actually a detriment, and some of the most brilliant goals come from out thinking the opponent rather than a moment of magic.
I agree with you on this one, to an extent.
BUT, if Player B is consistently in the position where he is able to offer an easy lay off then maybe we have to give credit for their ability to find space and take up the perfect position?
A bit like how we laud tap-in merchant strikers for their ability to find space in the box, time and again.
What I'm trying to say is that, sure, any bloke can get one easy assist, but by and large, if someone is getting twenty easy assists each season, then you have to say they're doing something special.
Exactly the same range of difficulty applies to scoring goals. Yet you never see this sort of argument made to detract from the number of goals scored as a useful statistic.
Ah, that would explain it. I wonder how long the bebe money will keep him sweet.
Wow, i did not realize it was THAT low. Startling transformation. He played more games than anyone else last season didn't he?
As far as I'm aware, he confirmed it himself after the Portugal match last week
It should. Scoring goals through individual brilliance as well as through good positioning and the good work of others is harder to achieve than that just through the latter.
Interview with Nani sorry if its been posted eleswhere.
Nani bares all | Sky Sports | Video | Promos | Showcase
Nani bares all | Sky Sports | Video | Promos | Showcase
Where is he today?
Any news on his injury?
Not in the squad for the Bilbao match, is he injured?
Got a knock in training.
Just a knock, i guess we have Valencia so lets hope he starts.
Good thing is Valencia is back. Bad thing is our wingers seem to take turns to get injured. When Nani comes back, it will be Young's turn next
Do we throw bowling balls at our players in training or something?
Sometimes I get the impression we are overly cautious with players returning from injury..
Don't know. We seemed to rush Cleverley back during Christmas by the sounds of it.
Rather that than taking them back too early. Young looks to have got back a bit of form, and we now have Valencia returning, and Welbeck who can play wide so there isn't much point taking him back early only for him to get injured again.
We are unlucky with wingers this year. Whenever they play good and catch some form, they are injured for next game. Whetever it is Valencia, Nani or Young.
Surprised he missed the trip. Fergie specifically referred to it as just a bit of bruising.
Tony V and Ashley Young it is. I'm guessing Fergie is sufficiently happy with Valencia's progress to unleash him on Bilbo.
Read he has ambitions of being the best and places himself currently in the top five in the World. Think when he's on fire he'd be in the top ten but he's just not consistent enough and in my opinion he's in the 10-15 bracket of best players in the World.
So it looks like no Nani again.
Yeah yeah Mr Ferguson..........it's nothing serious
Yeah yeah Mr Ferguson..........it's nothing serious
So it looks like no Nani again.
Yeah yeah Mr Ferguson..........it's nothing serious
When did this disappointing news turn up ?
I'm guessing he didn't travel down with the team to wolves?
So it looks like no Nani again.
Yeah yeah Mr Ferguson..........it's nothing serious
Im sure that giving the exact information of players' injuries does not top Fergie's priority list. I might be wrong though.
Nani bust up with fergie
Aren't we in contract negotiations with him? #conspiracytheory #shitsummationofthejistofthepreviousstatementinhashtags
Thank God that Young is in good form, we really need Nani back, he's as important as any of our offensive players.
Nani bust up with fergie
If you are going to post something like this at least post a source.
I'd say he's in productive form, his overall game has dropped a little.
I wish we could get Nani at his peak back. He's looked sluggish since returning from injury and has acknowledged it himself. On form, I think he's our most talented player, he can do stuff no one else in this team can.
Probably an exaggeration but I always feel like Nani is injured and/or in loss of form around ths time of the season. Sort of stops me from proclaiming him as one of the best players in the world.
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