Luis Nani | 2011/12 Performances

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MacMUFC said:
Bit of useless information, but I believe Nani is 10th on the All-Time assist table since the Premier League's inception. Higher than Paul Scholes and David Beckham and just one assist away from matching Ronaldo.
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What the feck? I wouldn't have had him close to be honest.
 
That's pretty amazing from Nani, he doesn't get half the credit that Bergkamp does.

English Premier League / All Time / Most Assists
# Name Assist
1 Ryan Giggs 126
2 Frank Lampard 89
3 Thierry Henry 80
4 Steven Gerrard 73
5 Francesc Fabregas 71
6 Wayne Rooney 62
7 Didier Drogba 55
8 Dennis Bergkamp 49
9 Cristiano Ronaldo 46
10 Morten Gamst Pedersen 45
11 . Nani 45
12 David Beckham 44
13 Paul Scholes 44
14 Nolberto Solano 42
15 Robin van Persie 41
 
gooDevil said:
That's pretty amazing from Nani, he doesn't get half the credit that Bergkamp does.

English Premier League / All Time / Most Assists
# Name Assist
1 Ryan Giggs 126
2 Frank Lampard 89
3 Thierry Henry 80
4 Steven Gerrard 73
5 Francesc Fabregas 71
6 Wayne Rooney 62
7 Didier Drogba 55
8 Dennis Bergkamp 49
9 Cristiano Ronaldo 46
10 Morten Gamst Pedersen 45
11 . Nani 45
12 David Beckham 44
13 Paul Scholes 44
14 Nolberto Solano 42
15 Robin van Persie 41
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It's the fact he's already passed Beckham that's most impressive to me.
 
Why's everybody so surprised? It's a well known fact that for the past couple of years Nani has had terrific stats and end product. It seems that some frustrating performances makes people forget this
 
It's worth remembering that even when Nani was inconsistent and well, quite often pretty shit, pre 09/10, he still got quite large amounts of assists. Mostly because he's always had a monster of a cross on him when he actually made them.
 
Anderson8 said:
Why's everybody so surprised? It's a well known fact that for the past couple of years Nani has had terrific stats and end product. It seems that some frustrating performances makes people forget this
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And good performances don't tell you how far he is on the top ten stats table either. It's a surprise, not because people doubt his quality, but because they don't keep track of the statistics for assists by premiership greats.
 
I suppose it would be very difficult to go back and count up assists from footage of past seasons before assists were counted. It would be nice to know what Beckham's career assists really are in the EPL.
 
Hectic said:
And good performances don't tell you how far he is on the top ten stats table either. It's a surprise, not because people doubt his quality, but because they don't keep track of the statistics for asssists by premiership greats.
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I suppose, but Nani's stats last season were the main reason a number of people felt he should of been voted player of the year. He got almost 20 assists or so. Considering the year before that was also the start of him being productive, and this year he continued it, I can't say I'm surprised that he has that many assists. I'm surprised he's that high up, because I'd imagine the bar to have already been set higher, but there you go
 
kietotheworld said:
He probably hasn't, the stats don't cover the entirety of Beckham's United career.
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True that.

Which makes that table a bit of a nonsense. They shouldn't include stats from anyone who was playing in the PL before they started collecting data on assists. More than a bit stupid to talk about "all time" PL assists when they completely ignore any assists from the first decade of the competition :wenger:

EDIT: if SharkyMcShark is right and the only started collecting them in 2002(ish) that makes Beckham's stats seriously impressive, bearing in mind he signed for Madrid in 2003!
 
According to talksport....its this

Giggs 276
Lampard 161
Beckham 152
Bergkamp 147
Henry 144(but unofficial stuff says around 79)
Andy Cole 136
Scholes 135
Anderton 126
Gerrard 123
Shearer 122
Fabregas 119(again (un)official stats have him at way lower at 81)
Solano 118
Sheringham 118
McManaman 112
Rooney 107(another incorrect as he has 68)
Anelka 107
Yorke 98
Hasselbaink 97
Heskey 96
Wise 95

So yeah, any assist stat prior to 2002 is sketchy as hell, some seem to think the last two touches or something used to be an assist. Still theres no way he's near the top 10. Gotta be a fair few with 50 or more proper direct assists tbf.

However the website that does these stats does have Nani as the best "assist per game" player above Beckham, Cesc, Henry and Cantona.
 
Premier League top 30.

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Some highlights on a per game:

Becks: 1 assist every 1.74 (!!)
Cesc: 1 assist every 1.78
Henry: 1 assist every 1.79
Bergkamp: 1 assist every 2.14
Young: 1 assist every 2.16 (none too shabby)
 
Aye, I should've posted the link, too.

I think they're not too accurate (Nani hasn't got 15 assist, but 10), but still, the best of all.
 
The assist stat is a load of stale wank. A brilliant through pass or pin point cross gets the same recognition as a simple layoff, or a short pass before the mazy dribble that leads to a direct goal.
 
So whys that list not really deceiving at all and has pretty much about 25 of the 30 players you'd expect?

The assist stat clearly isn't something dodgy. I mean it's obviously well off, and I've asked him before how he comes up with his own numbers, something to do with if the second to last touch is just as important he'll include that too, but it's an accurate baring of who's been the best at creating in Premiership history....especially if you load up the assist per game stat.
 
Beachryan said:
Some highlights on a per game:

Becks: 1 assist every 1.74 (!!)
Cesc: 1 assist every 1.78
Henry: 1 assist every 1.79
Bergkamp: 1 assist every 2.14
Young: 1 assist every 2.16 (none too shabby)
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2.18 for Di Canio too, not bad at all.
 
The Times are reporting that we're set to tie Nani down to a long term deal before the season's end.

Terrific news, if true.
 
How refreshing that one of our big names can agree a new deal without his agent gobbling off about interest from other clubs etc. who is his agent anyway? If its Mendez that would explain why.

It's nice that a Latin player genuinely seems happy at the club long term.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
How does Young's assist/game compare with Nani/Valencia?

I see he's our next most prolific assister after Giggs but presume that's down to playing more games than the other two?
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Per game it goes Valencia first, then Young, then Nani. Although as others have said in the Young thread, his stats are misleading as twice he just touched the ball to Rooney from freekicks, so debateable if they should be counted as proper assists.
 
RedRichio said:
How refreshing that one of our big names can agree a new deal without his agent gobbling off about interest from other clubs etc. who is his agent anyway? If its Mendez that would explain why.

It's nice that a Latin player genuinely seems happy at the club long term.
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Jorge Mendes, aye.
 
Starkie_1 said:
Surely that's the same as someone tapping in from a yard out, or a 30 yard volley.
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Pogue Mahone said:
Exactly. Not to mention penalty kicks.

Of course, to the assist haters only assists differ in quality. Every goal takes exactly the same amount of skill.
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Just seeing this, but strikers are judged not only on the amount of goals they score, but the quality. It's why a Huntelaar isn't rated as much as a Van Persie. Rarely do you hear assists being broken down the same way, which is what slightly grates me. Plus, your assist stat is inflated if you play in a possession dominating team, IMO. It's not the best variable to judge a player's creativity.

Penalties require skill and bottle to put away, it's not as clear cut as kicking from 6 yards out (ask Scholes). But that's a different topic.
 
Huntelaar was highly rated....but never produced it at a big club. He got his chance and didn't take it.......Van Persie has (and is just a better player anyway).
 
adexkola said:
Just seeing this, but strikers are judged not only on the amount of goals they score, but the quality. It's why a Huntelaar isn't rated as much as a Van Persie. Rarely do you hear assists being broken down the same way, which is what slightly grates me.
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I'm not sure that's true. Adebayor has more assists than Mata or Nani but you don't hear people saying he's more creative, and that's because of the quality of assists surely. No-one's solely judged on the amount of goals they score, I agree, but then is anyone solely judged on the amount of assists they get either? I don't believe so, it's just used as an indicator. If you look at the assists table (here, click A) it gives a fairly good representation of the most creative attackers in the league. The only players who look out of place are the target-men, but they do contribute a huge amount of selfless work to create stuff for others, and the set-piece takers (which is just the same as penalty takers).
 
There's not much bad you can say about Nani: very professional attitude, keeps it quiet, no troubles. He cut out his diving and play acting and of course, he's a brilliant brilliant player. If you think 4 years ago people thought he will never make it and he was just too inconsistent and frustrating, he's become one of the top players. Plus, he has been very consistent over the last 3 years or so
 
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