Valencia wouldnt.
Luis Nani | 2011/12 Performances
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Valencia wouldnt.
Simon you should probably leave the thread around this time, you're just coming across as someone who really has something against Nani. It doesn't look at all objective any longer.
The good thing with Pogue is that he does his best to remain objective.
You really don't like Nani, do you?
It's been pointed out numerous times in this thread that Valencia and Nani are both very effective at crossing in their own way. I'm sure Valencia would love to be able to hit some of the crosses Nani is capable of.
Maybe you should avoid this thread in future, it's just embarrassing now.
EDIT: What Guy said.
Talk about a predictable thread...
So what is this about him having broken his metatarsal?
So what is this about him having broken his metatarsal?
I love Nani, what are you talking about.
But yes, I knew that last comment was one too many.
But yes, I knew that last comment was one too many.
Could've fooled me.
I don't think he's one of the players you "love" at all.
Well yeah, and that's what we were talking about. It just comes across really poorly from your side when you take every single opportunity to have a dig.
Desperately hoping that's just some silly rumour.
I've no problem debating Nani with Pogue because he does at least try to backup his criticisms of Nani without using nonsensical comments and arguments. Simon on the other hand does the entire opposite and comes across as petty.
Terrible if true. Less of an issue if we at least had Young on the left, the only consolation is that Valencia is in fine form.
Unleash it Simon, on the player you "love".
MG: You mention Nani's corners... have you seen Rooney's? They are awful.
And how many times does Rooney try a crap through ball that isn't close to making it? I remember a great attack at the weekend, Nani free on the left, Valencia free on the right, Rooney's tries instead to feed a crap ball through to Welbeck.
How Nani "frustrates" some people more than Rooney is bizarre, it must be the "lion heart" thing.
Rooney is poor at corners, one swallow and all that. I can give you plenty of examples of Nani landing a peach of a corner onto a United head.
It's a pretty well known fact around here that we don't have many good corner takers, hence why Gibson was once championed for the role.
I remember that very move as well, and yes, it was incredibly frustrating at the time. However, I do still think Nani is more frustrating. For what it's worth, I'm a Nani fan and I try to defend him quite often against what I see as unfair criticism... I just can't deny that he can be very glaringly inconsistent sometimes and that is frustrating. I agree Rooney is as well, I just think he is less, and when he isn't being frustrating he is the better player. I can understand if you view it differently though.
I think, for the last season, Rooney has put in a lot more frustrating performances than Nani.
Rooney is truly infuriating when he isn't on song, because he's supposed to be our talismanic player, and when he's off, even simple things like controlling easy passes or putting sitters away just goes out the window.
With Nani, even when he's having a relative off day, he's the one player I'd count on to pull something out of the bag, a great cross, a through ball, dribble a couple of players to create space or smash a shot in from 25 yards. And his touch is basically always immacculate. He very rarely gives the ball away in the build-up as well.
Rooney is truly infuriating when he isn't on song, because he's supposed to be our talismanic player, and when he's off, even simple things like controlling easy passes or putting sitters away just goes out the window.
With Nani, even when he's having a relative off day, he's the one player I'd count on to pull something out of the bag, a great cross, a through ball, dribble a couple of players to create space or smash a shot in from 25 yards. And his touch is basically always immacculate. He very rarely gives the ball away in the build-up as well.
I'd say he does it 3 or 4 times per game, it can frustrate me a little but I understand he's trying to create.
Giggs was always harshly criticised when he was younger for poor crossing and giving the ball away too often, but that's what creative players often do, same goes with Nani.
Something about his general likeablity makes certain fans more accepting of a Giggs or a Rooney despite them doing similar "frustrating" things.
Too much sense in this post.
As you say, the one thing Nani doesn't lose on his off days is his touch, unlike Wayne.
At their very best, i rate nani as the better player actually. he has more to his game than rooney.
Dont agree with the inconsistent bit either. Both are inconsistent and there's nothing to suggest Rooney being the less inconsistent one actually. He has amazing dips in forms far too frequently for a player of his ilk.
These get forgotten quicker with Rooney though, it's as though that 2 month dip he just went through never happened.
Agree completely. Rooney's bottom level is ridiculously low for a player of his quality. Nani very rarely loses it completely like Rooney does.
Its become some sort of a cliche to call nani inconsistent and frustrating while ignoring the same when it comes to rooney.
No diggity.
I'll try again to summarize my thoughts on the matter:
When Nani is "off", he makes the wrong decisions in the final third, and might piss away some opportunities.
When Wayne is "off", his whole game goes to shit, except his work-rate(which in Nani's case also is very good), and his "grafting", which more often than not earns him an unnecesarry yellow card born out of frustration.
I love'em both though. Fantastic players.
When Nani is "off", he makes the wrong decisions in the final third, and might piss away some opportunities.
When Wayne is "off", his whole game goes to shit, except his work-rate(which in Nani's case also is very good), and his "grafting", which more often than not earns him an unnecesarry yellow card born out of frustration.
I love'em both though. Fantastic players.
So just like Giggs, Rooney and 90% of flair players on the planet then.
I disagree with the Rooney and Giggs comments because they have two of the best footballing brains in the game. Obviously their decision making isn't perfect every time but they make the right choice with much more regularity than Nani does. I just think that with his immense talent he should be even more productive than he is now.
When did I ever say he shouldn't express himself? You've either not properly read my post or you've got completely the wrong idea about what I'm saying. He's extraordinarily talented (like I said) and he has an inherent license to express himself (like I said). As a result of this, he produces a goal/assist almost every game (like I said). The Valencia thing is another load of utter shite as I never even mentioned him and I personally believe the differences in their style is part of what makes them such a deadly wing partnership.
My point is that he's unbelievably frustrating to watch. He has so much talent that some of the decisions he makes are completely baffling. And he didn't make one 'bad' decision against Arsenal, he made one terrible decision. He rarely fecks things up like he did there, but he'll often get into a great position and then either go for a ridiculous shot or try to beat a man he's already beaten. Obviously, as I've already said countless times, he gets himself into good positions with such regularity that he'll eventually play the perfect ball/score a peach and that's why his contribution is so valuable. He's one of few players in the team that are almost undroppable for me, as I said in the other thread he's our 3rd most important player IMO. But all that doesn't stop him being very frustrating to watch.
My point in a nutshell.
You obviously only started watching Giggs in '07.
Since he started to lose his pace in his late 20s/early 30s he has adapted his game to become an intelligent, creative midfielder. I don't think his poor form around that time had anything to do with the lack of a footballing brain anyway, it was a symptom of him being forced to change his style to stay at the highest level. Even back in the 90s Giggs was great at decision making.
Mate, you were born in 92 right?
Trust me on this, Giggs was criticised through the 90's for poor decision making, poor crossing etc, despite always having greats stats, much like Nani is today.
Rumours hitting Twitter that he's out for two months.
I've just realised the apparent source of the rumour is Tufty... moving on so.
Any real news on how many games he'll miss?
That would be terrible if he was out for two months, especially with Young still injured and Giggs being needed in center midfield.
feck this shite, I am dreading tomorrow pre-match press conference should Fergie confirm the worst.
We'd be really fecked if he's out for 2 months. Hope Young comes back for Chelsea.
I'm not sure we're fecked without any 1 single player, this season has taught us that.
As you say, getting Young back and Valencia remaining in such good form will be extremely important.
Twitter my shitter
I agree with Hellboy, I don't think we can afford to lose Nani for two months at this stage. We need all our best players available to have any hope of catching City.
At the very least we'd need Cleverley and Young to come back as good as they were in the first few games.
At the very least we'd need Cleverley and Young to come back as good as they were in the first few games.
feck that of an attitude!
Hopefully the United players don't throw in the towel like you.
Can't believe how unlucky we have been with injuries this season. Almost every player in the first team has had a spell out.
Nani's been our most important players. I'm not saying that it will ruin our chances to win the title or something, I'm saying that it would a huge blow for us creating chances and scoring goals.
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