Luis Nani | 2010/11 Performances

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When people start mentioning tap ins it means they are clutching at straws..

Why so defensive, Malouda is the best in the league, theres no shame for Nani to be behind him at this stage in his career.

Yup.

If we could to a temporary swap of Nani for Malouda, I'd do it in a heart-beat. He's miles ahead of Nani in his development, a much more complete winger and a far more consistent performer.

A permanent swap would be out of the question, mind you, because Nani's still got a lot of developing to do and could go on to become a better player than Malouda. I'd say he's a better player now than Malouda was at the same age.

The giddiness about Nani in this thread is amusing.
 
Yup.

If we could to a temporary swap of Nani for Malouda, I'd do it in a heart-beat. He's miles ahead of Nani in his development, a much more complete winger and a far more consistent performer.

A permanent swap would be out of the question, mind you, because Nani's still got a lot of developing to do and could go on to become a better player than Malouda. I'd say he's a better player now than Malouda was at the same age.

The giddiness about Nani in this thread is amusing.

When Malouda was Nani's age he'd only just joined Lyon from the French 2nd Division, Pogue. He's thirty now, so it would be another seven years before he'd hit top form for Chelsea; he's hardly been the most consistent of players until around November last year. As i said before, he owes a lot to Didier Drogba's style of play and Chelsea's formation as of last season once the diamond was scrapped; if he were at United playing on our left wing i don't think he'd have anywhere near as much success. A temporary swap with Nani would hinder both teams imo.
 
When Malouda was Nani's age he'd only just joined Lyon from the French 2nd Division, Pogue. He's thirty now, so it would be another seven years before he'd hit top form for Chelsea; he's hardly been the most consistent of players until around November last year. As i said before, he owes a lot to Didier Drogba's style of play and Chelsea's formation as of last season once the diamond was scrapped; if he were at United playing on our left wing i don't think he'd have anywhere near as much success. A temporary swap with Nani would hinder both teams imo.

We don't play a diamond and what magical powers of team-mate improvement does Drogba possess that, say, Wayne Rooney doesn't?

Like I said, Nani's ahead of where Malouda was at the same age. This doesn't mean that Malouda wasn't a better player last season, or that he won't continue to be a more effective player this season (seeing as 30 is the new 28, now that footballers look after themselves so well)

There is a possibility that Nani will take another great leap forward this season (or Malouda a step backwards) and I'd be delighted if he did but when we're comparing him with Malouda all we can do is look back at the season just gone and the first three games of this season, when Malouda was clearly the better player. Otherwise the whole discussion is purely hypothetical.
 
Well there you go, that explains it then.

It means you have not seen Guingamp, and incidentally Malouda, play in the Ligue 1 during the 2002-2003 season, so to compare a 23-year-old Malouda you've never seen play with Nani certainly explains why your arguments bear no relevance whatsoever
 
Yup.

If we could to a temporary swap of Nani for Malouda, I'd do it in a heart-beat. He's miles ahead of Nani in his development, a much more complete winger and a far more consistent performer.

A permanent swap would be out of the question, mind you, because Nani's still got a lot of developing to do and could go on to become a better player than Malouda. I'd say he's a better player now than Malouda was at the same age.

The giddiness about Nani in this thread is amusing.

Out of curiosity, what made Malouda inferior when at Nani's current age?
 
It means you have not seen Guingamp, and incidentally Malouda, play in the Ligue 1 during the 2002-2003 season, so to compare a 23-year-old Malouda you've never seen play with Nani certainly explains why your arguments bear no relevance whatsoever

I wasn't comparing a twenty-three year old Malouda directly to Nani as a player really, just pointing out that he wasn't playing top-flight football at Nani's age as Nani is now and that it would be another seven years into his career before he'd hit top form for Chelsea; he was very inconsistent in his first two seasons with Chelsea, only really making an impact eleven months ago or so - he's hardly been the beacon of consistency and efficiency that many are making him out to be, was my point.
 
I wasn't comparing a twenty-three year old Malouda directly to Nani as a player really, just pointing out that he wasn't playing top-flight football at Nani's age as Nani is now and that it would be another seven years into his career before he'd hit top form for Chelsea; he was very inconsistent in his first two seasons with Chelsea, only really making an impact eleven months ago or so - he's hardly been the beacon of consistency and efficiency that many are making him out to be, was my point.

He has for the last 12 months or so.

Which is the point others have been making.
 
He has for the last 12 months or so.

Which is the point others have been making.

Exactly.

People are being way too defensive in this thread and thinking it's a criticism to Nani if he is not considered the best in the league.. Malouda was shit for 2 seasons when he first came to Chelesa, but the last 12 months + he really has turned it on and has not only been the best winger in the prem but one of the best players fullstop.
 
Exactly.

People are being way too defensive in this thread and thinking it's a criticism to Nani if he is not considered the best in the league.. Malouda was shit for 2 seasons when he first came to Chelesa, but the last 12 months + he really has turned it on and has not only been the best winger in the prem but one of the best players fullstop.

It's not being defensive to prefer one player over another; i don't think Malouda is a better player than Nani; it's an opinion not a defence.

I thought Nani grew into a better player last season than he ever has been before as he seemed to visibly mature and find the consistency that everyone (me included) has knocked him for lacking ever since his transfer to United; i don't think consistency is an issue for him anymore, at least, no more than it is for any top player, and i think the player he's become is better than Malouda.
 
It's not being defensive to prefer one player over another; i don't think Malouda is a better player than Nani; it's an opinion not a defence.

I thought Nani grew into a better player last season than he ever has been before as he seemed to visibly mature and find the consistency that everyone (me included) has knocked him for lacking ever since his transfer to United; i don't think consistency is an issue for him anymore, at least, no more than it is for any top player, and i think the player he's become is better than Malouda.

I'm not pointing fingers at you specifically.

That's fair enough, but you can't argue with Malouda's stats. For goals and assists he was impressive last season and he already has made a good start this year. He also is consistently better than Nani, which is the main reason I would have him ahead at this point in time.

Like I said in a previous post, I would start Nani every game now and let him do the business, because he can conjure something up at any point in a game ala Arsenal and is fast becoming a finished product.
 
Fair enough. I'm gonna stick my neck out and tip Nani for our player of the season this year though; I'm top of the Caftards Fantasy Football League too so nobody's allowed or qualified to argue with me :p
 
The only reason I've seen from people saying Nani's better than Malouda is that he's more exciting, basically, which while true isn't really relevant to who's the better player.

Does Malouda benefit from Chelsea's system more than Nani does from ours? Probably. Does that take away from his performances over the last 8 months or so? I don't think so. He's been very, very good. Nani's not been far off, he's just not quite maintained his form for as long. In terms of general play Malouda's just better than Nani, he's more involved and he's more effective with it. Here's a comparison of the two games they were most involved in last season. In terms of end product, well you've got all that in the stats. I don't know how you can argue Nani's more productive when the stats are so obviously against him, Malouda's goal/assist contributions are quite underwhelming in general but does that really matter when the outcome is the same?

He doesn't provide any sort of spark or brilliance, but he provides consistent, reliable quality and is a big part of Chelsea's successful move to pass-and-move football from their more direct game, his style and their style married together to make Malouda the best wide player in the league, IMO.

Saying that if I was offered a straight loan swap, for example, and was given the opportunity to swap them for a year, I'd probably not take it. Honestly, I don't think there's a big difference between what Giggs offers and what Malouda offers, in style or quality. They're both creative, intelligent dribbling playmakers who like to play pass and move football at speed, and they both get back to help out their defence regularly. Malouda offers it more consistently no doubt, but you're losing Nani's spark and ability to create something out of nothing in that deal and I'm not sure it'd be beneficial in the end.

I think Malouda thrives off space, he uses his intelligence to find the time space and then uses it to make simple yet effective goal contributions. It's why most of his contributions are somewhat underwhelming, because most of the hard work has been done before he even touches the ball. He has the likes of Anelka, Drogba and Lampard constantly offering a threat in and around the box and he plays off of that, I don't think he'd benefit in the same way here. He'd still make a very valuable contribution and he'd still show himself to be a very good player, but I'm not sure he or we would be as effective. I think we need Nani's spark and ability to offer something different, something out of the ordinary, because as direct attackers we've only really got Rooney for that and if we're playing against an organised defence who can nullify Rooney we need someone who can unorganise them, who can change the game in an instant. He's got a matchwinning quality and mentality I don't think Malouda has.

Malouda's been performing better over the last year though, regardless of the reasons why, so I don't think it's unfair to say he's been the best left-sided player in the league in recent times.
 
Aye, there must be, never realised that. Doesn't make any difference though, the first 'Nani' one says Chelsea v Stoke above it, and it's still Malouda's contributions.
 
The only reason I've seen from people saying Nani's better than Malouda is that he's more exciting, basically, which while true isn't really relevant to who's the better player.

Does Malouda benefit from Chelsea's system more than Nani does from ours? Probably. Does that take away from his performances over the last 8 months or so? I don't think so. He's been very, very good. Nani's not been far off, he's just not quite maintained his form for as long. In terms of general play Malouda's just better than Nani, he's more involved and he's more effective with it. Here's a comparison of the two games they were most involved in last season. In terms of end product, well you've got all that in the stats. I don't know how you can argue Nani's more productive when the stats are so obviously against him, Malouda's goal/assist contributions are quite underwhelming in general but does that really matter when the outcome is the same?

He doesn't provide any sort of spark or brilliance, but he provides consistent, reliable quality and is a big part of Chelsea's successful move to pass-and-move football from their more direct game, his style and their style married together to make Malouda the best wide player in the league, IMO.

Saying that if I was offered a straight loan swap, for example, and was given the opportunity to swap them for a year, I'd probably not take it. Honestly, I don't think there's a big difference between what Giggs offers and what Malouda offers, in style or quality. They're both creative, intelligent dribbling playmakers who like to play pass and move football at speed, and they both get back to help out their defence regularly. Malouda offers it more consistently no doubt, but you're losing Nani's spark and ability to create something out of nothing in that deal and I'm not sure it'd be beneficial in the end.

I think Malouda thrives off space, he uses his intelligence to find the time space and then uses it to make simple yet effective goal contributions. It's why most of his contributions are somewhat underwhelming, because most of the hard work has been done before he even touches the ball. He has the likes of Anelka, Drogba and Lampard constantly offering a threat in and around the box and he plays off of that, I don't think he'd benefit in the same way here. He'd still make a very valuable contribution and he'd still show himself to be a very good player, but I'm not sure he or we would be as effective. I think we need Nani's spark and ability to offer something different, something out of the ordinary, because as direct attackers we've only really got Rooney for that and if we're playing against an organised defence who can nullify Rooney we need someone who can unorganise them, who can change the game in an instant. He's got a matchwinning quality and mentality I don't think Malouda has.

Malouda's been performing better over the last year though, regardless of the reasons why, so I don't think it's unfair to say he's been the best left-sided player in the league in recent times.

Another big post (but great) post Brwned.Keep it up
 
Does Malouda benefit from Chelsea's system more than Nani does from ours? Probably.

How can a winger benefit more of a system without wingers than a classical one? Credit is due to Malouda for adapting his game to Chelsea's demands, and playing in a more axial role (let alone the LB slot when Ashley Cole got injured)
 
We're talking ligue 1 here. Its really not.

What nonsense. The year after Malouda moved to Lyon they got to the Champions League quarterfinals losing against eventual winner Porto, who also defeated Monaco in the final whilst Marseille was another finalist in the UEFA Cup. The Ligue 1 was very competitive then and it still is now. Where does United's best player come from? Monaco. Chelsea's ? Marseille or Lyon, depending on your opinion. Arsenal? They're all French.

Absolutely rubbish post on your behalf.
 
How can a winger benefit more of a system without wingers than a classical one? Credit is due to Malouda for adapting his game to Chelsea's demands, and playing in a more axial role (let alone the LB slot when Ashley Cole got injured)

The same way Giggs has, I think. Whether it's been forced on him due to the system, or whether it's come with him gradually adapting his game as he gets older, his intelligence and playmaking has been accentuated(is that the right word?) and he's improved his all round game. As you've said, he deserves plenty of credit. I wasn't trying to take any of that away.

I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning for the change, you've went for the former - that he was forced to adapt to be a success at Chelsea - whereas I believe it's the latter, possibly because I witnessed almost the exact same change with Giggs and that's clouded my judgement somewhat. If it was because he was forced to adapt why was it that he struggled to make an impact when Chelsea were playing with wingers, before Ancelotti?

I have no idea what axial means, and a quick google check makes it even more confusing in the context.

Oh, and I think our left wing role is anything but a classical one.
 
What nonsense. The year after Malouda moved to Lyon they got to the Champions League quarterfinals losing against eventual winner Porto, who also defeated Monaco in the final whilst Marseille was another finalist in the UEFA Cup. The Ligue 1 was very competitive then and it still is now. Where does United's best player come from? Monaco. Chelsea's ? Marseille or Lyon, depending on your opinion. Arsenal? They're all French.

Absolutely rubbish post on your behalf.

Sorry, you're sucking your league off again. Its not and hasnt been one of the top leagues in the past decade. The premier league, Serie A and la liga have. It means a lot more for a player to be among the best in one of these leagues (less so with Serie A now) than it does being a top player in France. So dont pretend it doesnt.
 
We're talking ligue 1 here. Its really not.

Dunno. You could be right of course, I hadn't seen Malouda play regularly for Lyon. But, considering the success rate of that Lyon squad in which Malouda was a regular, I'd judge him with a much better yardstick than yours.

In 2004-05, Malouda was the mainstay in that team which topped the CL group also involving Man Utd. It had Essien and Diarra in the middle, supported by Juninho in his prime. A younger Benzema was just being bedded in. Plus, notable talents like Abidal and Elber. By all accounts, that was as competitive a team as any to be a regular for. Not that I'm saying it makes Malouda the better player, just highlighting his credentials.

Personally, I think the two were/are at the same level for their age. It could change if Nani propels United to a successful season this term.
 
To be fair that site is really not much different from your average forum. It's basically just a bunch of wannabe journalists trying to get some clicks on their blog-thingy, and thus should count less than a goal.com article featuring The Sun quotes.
 
That's a shocking article and it seems to be at least one year out of date. The writer has bizarrely chosen to ignore Nani's current breakthrough in our team and reverted back to the tired early criticisms. He deserves plenty of credit for the way he has taken control of his destiny here. It's just a shame some people still fail to recognise that.

Isn't that the site where Mockney writes and posts his stuff too ?

Yes and he does a decent job in comparison to that.
 
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