4 games into the season, he's started 2, created 3 goals and scored 1. I reckon he's doing okay. Walcott and Malouda have both started the season in ridiculous form, but I reckon it's a safe bet that over the course of the season he'll prove more valuable than either. It's trite to say it, but they're both flat-track bullies. Malouda's goals (which is all he's really notable for) usually come towards the end of those ridiculous beatings they hand out to crap teams, and Walcott's about the least consistent player on earth.
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Huh? Malouda got the first goal in 2 of their 3 games so far. He's also not just notable for his goals, considering the amount of assists he had last season. Actually just about everything you said about Malouda there is pure nonsense.
Nani is great and all, but he's not on the same level as Malouda, simple as, but it's hardly a big thing seeing as Malouda is 6 years older and in the peak of his career.
Nani will go on to be better than Malouda. Far more imagination and skill, just needs more experience.
Malouda got less assists last season than any of our 3 wingers last season. The only goals he scored against the top seven sides last season came in that beating they handed out to Villa, and admittedly in the win against Liverpool. His only assist against a decent side came against us. He also did precisely nothing in the knock out stages of the champions league, which is where the best players show what they can do, much like the rest of his team. Nani on the other hand got two assists and two goals in four games.
Last season Nani scored against Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and Bayern, four of the five best teams we played. Malouda scored once against the team that finished in seventh. He's had one decent season for Chelsea, at the age of 30, and has become hugely overrated as a result. His ability to dominate the likes of Wigan, West Brom and Blackburn is matched by his very rare contributions against top class opposition. Malouda is the very definition of a flat-track bully.
Malouda is worth a lot more to Chelsea than just goals and assists. He's ridiculously good in Chelsea's formation now either on the wing or through the middle. He links up with Cashley very well and contributes a huge deal to Chelsea's overall tactic.
He'll be one of Chelsea's most important players by the end of the season and rightfully so. I believe Malouda is better than Nani - although from a pure winger perspective probably not, because Malouda has been reinvented through the middle.
He'll be one of Chelsea's most important players by the end of the season and rightfully so. I believe Malouda is better than Nani - although from a pure winger perspective probably not, because Malouda has been reinvented through the middle.
That would be Chris Waddle,he has a slightly better IQ than a breeze block
Is a breeze block one of those bricks with holes in it for air to get through? I've always wondered
To be fair he spent most of their time in the tie against Inter at left back.
True to some extent, but you can say the same about Nani. Anyway, I just threw this together, a comparison of Nani and Malouda's direct contributions against the good teams* they played against. I didnt make any consideration of subs vs starts, but it probably evens out either way.
Appearances - goals - assists.
Malouda
Man utd - 2 - 0 - 1
Arsenal - 2 - 0 - 0
Tottenham - 2 - 0 - 0
Man City - 2 - 0 - 0
Aston Villa - 3 - 3 - 0
Liverpool - 2 - 1 - 0
Inter - 2 - 0 - 0
Nani
Chelsea - 2 - 1 - 1
Arsenal - 2 - 1 - 1
Tottenham - 2 - 1 - 0
Man City - 2 - 0 - 0
Aston Villa - 1 - 0 - 0
Liverpool - 2 - 0 - 0
Milan - 2 - 0 - 1
Bayern - 2 - 2 - 1
*Top seven in the league and the knock out stages of the European Cup.
Hey I was right.
In Australia we just call those bricks with holes in them for air to go through.
In Australia we just call those bricks with holes in them for air to go through.
Chelsea were terrible in the CL last season in general, and they got knocked out by the winners in the last 16, a game Malouda had to play Left-Back at due to Cole and Zhirkov being injured, so that hardly counts does it? You can say he got less assists, but he got more goals, a lot more goals actually, 12 in contrast to 5 from Nani, and I'd consider goals to be more important than assists, and anyway, he only got 2 assists less than Nani, 8 as opposed to 10. It's still a good tally.
Who's overrating him? We're saying he's the PLs best winger based on current form, which is pretty fair given his tally and contribution. Nani was very poor in the first half of last season where as Malouda was consistently good throughout, his all round game as a winger was fantastic, and he usually had a more demanding role than a normal winger because of the diamond system Chelsea play under Ancelotti.
Age is irrelevant really, just about everyone in this thread (myself included) agrees that Nani will end up surpassing Malouda in a few years and hopefully become the best winger in the PL, but right now, based on form and their contribution, and considering how good Malouda has started this season (Nani has been good, but not as good), I'd say Malouda is a better player.
Nani did have a better goal scoring record against the bigger teams, but Chelsea was the Community Shield which is irrelevant really. He was awesome against Arsenal and Bayern but Spurs? Meh, we've always beat them, I'd hardly class them as a 'top team'.
I'm not bashing Nani, I've always been a big fan of the lad through the frustrating times, I just don't think he's on Maloudas level, yet.
You'd have to say on current form Malouda is probably the best merely because his consistency levels and production have been a bit better than Nanis, Nani for me is the more gifted individual player with a lot more flair but hes far more inexperienced and hence not as consistent, i wouldn't swap Nani for Malouda in a million years as i believe Nani by the time hes anywhere near Maloudas age will be a lot lot better but currently youd have to say Maloudas probably the most consistently high performing wide man in europe, his goal output has been sensational over the last 6-8 months.
Surely Ronaldo?
I wouldnt rule out Valencia yet...his time will come.
At the moment and purely for consistancy and carrying over good form from last season I'd say Malouda with Nani a close second.
At the moment and purely for consistancy and carrying over good form from last season I'd say Malouda with Nani a close second.
Hmm...although debatable, the two contentious names in there - Milner and Gutierrez - have put in good shifts against difficult oppositions.
Still, Nani has done well in his own right, I'd say as good as Milner.
Its called a cinder block
Gutierrez doesn't stand a chance in hell of becoming the best winger in the country imo. Milner could struggle to live up to his price-tag amongst City's 'superstars', but if he can stay in the team, on the wing, then he could surprise everyone; there's also Balotelli there as an as yet unknown quantity, and Adam Johnson has done noting to harm his chances of becoming an England regular ahead of SWP (shit imo) and Aaron Lennon (hot and cold). Walcott tends to be quiet against tough opposition if he plays at all, but he's showed signs over the last two weeks of living up to his potential so who knows? Bale i think will have a cracking season, the only thing that might let him down will be the inconsistency of Spurs rather than any flaws in his own game; his crossing and delivery from set-pieces is second to none at the moment imo and we've seen he can get goals. Joe Cole looks likely to play a more central role, and Ash Young just isn't good enough, Bellamy's gone. Then there's Malouda who we all know about, and Valencia of course. Of all those mentioned though, i wouldn't swap Nani for any of them - i reckon Malouda and possibly Bale will be his only serious competition this season for the title of best winger in the country. We should keep this thread alive so we can get a running update of opinion throughout and see how it goes come the end of May... Viva Nani!
Creativity and technical ability spring to mind. Nani is doing fairly well given that he's coming off a lengthy injury.
Good point!
Are these last season's stats? When did Nani score against Chelsea? You can't count Charity shield mate...
Nani is the most naturally gifted of all the names mentioned, right now Malouda is the finished article but if Nani finds consistency this season he will be rated as the best IMO.
Nani has so so much potential.
He has really improved from the Nani of a Year ago.
If he finds consistency he will go on to become one of the best players in the world.
Loads and loads of talent.
He has really improved from the Nani of a Year ago.
If he finds consistency he will go on to become one of the best players in the world.
Loads and loads of talent.
Since when? It's an official, competitive game. For example nobody talked about Wayne Rooney scoring 33 goals last season, every single source said he'd scored 34. Of course it counts.
I love you Cider!Anyways, I wasn't comparing Nani's overall credentials as a winger to Gutierrez, just their respective starts to the season. I don't see why United would want to swap him with anyone, as you said.
Nani is absolutely sensational on the right and very good on the left.
I might be wrong and i've been saying that for ages - raw talent-wise he is better than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is however a better player- more intelligent and more prolific.
I might be wrong and i've been saying that for ages - raw talent-wise he is better than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is however a better player- more intelligent and more prolific.
Although debatable,I agree a bit.
Nani looked so dangerous against West Ham, yeah he missed the chip but his game is really becoming quite a handful for opposition!
He's well on his way to being the best winger in the country. You could make a very good case for it being Malouda right now, but if I had a choice between the two I'd take defo take Nani. He's got everything you want in a winger: unpredictability, two good feet, pace, trickery, crossing ability, and a good eye for a pass. Not to mention he's got a beast of a shot on him and is a good finisher. Even his work rate is impressive these days... he's much more willing to put in a defensive shift than I ever expected him to be.
I've always defended Nani because even when he was performing poorly he'd have the odd game where he'd look absolutely devastating. But even I'd started to lose faith after the way he started last season, and thought it'd be best for all parties if he moved on in January. What the feck's happened to him since then? Within the space of a few months he's gone from perpetually-frustrating fringe player to one of our finest assets. And his improvement shows no signs of slowing down. He's got the potential to be one of the world's best players if he keeps it up.
I've always defended Nani because even when he was performing poorly he'd have the odd game where he'd look absolutely devastating. But even I'd started to lose faith after the way he started last season, and thought it'd be best for all parties if he moved on in January. What the feck's happened to him since then? Within the space of a few months he's gone from perpetually-frustrating fringe player to one of our finest assets. And his improvement shows no signs of slowing down. He's got the potential to be one of the world's best players if he keeps it up.
lets see at the end of the season not after 3 games !
Loved his goal, from his starting point in the middle where he turns parker around and then powers towards goal. Brilliant to watch.
My Suave, was it not after the Spurs match; 2-nil down at half time with Nani playing terribly, he was replaced for the second half and we won 5-2; that Nani seemed to mature? My memory isn't great for individual matches, perhaps it wasn't that one, but whenever it was, SAF seemed to have lost faith in Nani and he dropped him for a considerable length of time mid-season. Nani reportedly slagged off SAF's man-management in the Portugese press, SAF wouldn't even put him on the bench; it looked for all the world that Nani had played his last game for United. Well, i think someone during that time - it could have been SAF, it could have been someone else - sat Nani down and had a very serious chat with him about his future; here he was, at arguably the best football club in the world, seemingly and frustratingly throwing it all away; and Nani listened. Whether that's what happened or not, when he finally came back into the fold Nani was a different beast - he'd grown up and become a United player. That's why i feel pride to see him playing so well for us now, because he came so close to leaving the club but then checked himself at the door and realised what a big mistake it would be to fluff his lines at United; i think he found then the very things that far too many modern day footballing mercenaries lack; loyalty and dedication. It's shone through in his football ever since, so good luck to him - and feck Malouda!
Quite possibly better? Hardly. They have great potential, sure - and both are crucial for us. But to suggest it's quite possible they will be better than two living legends? Quite possibly an overrated optimism.
I think I was getting a wee bit carried away tbf.
But maybe, just maybe...
But maybe, just maybe...
Great performance on the weekend, at times it was unfair the way he was toying with West Ham.
Surely the best winger in the prem
Surely the best winger in the prem
Agreed. He should really start every game. He enriches each game with his creativity, something our team needs.
By the end of this season, United fans will be asking who we would swap Nani for and very few will come up with a decent answer.
The main problem, imo, is Nani does appear to be better on the right than the left for whatever reason... and where does that leave the other pretty decent winger we have... Valencia?
The main problem, imo, is Nani does appear to be better on the right than the left for whatever reason... and where does that leave the other pretty decent winger we have... Valencia?
In the shit, if Nani's deemed to be put on the right for the majority of our games
For me, i'd prefer Nani to be on the right. He's always seemed much more dangerous over there and some of his best moments have come there.
Arsenal away goal and assist last season, Hammers away goal and assist this season. If he keeps producing goods like that on a very regular basis, surely SAF can't ignore that he's a hell of a lot better on the right... and play him on the left regardless? But to do that he'll need to be played on the right a lot to prove he's much better there.
If he can do what he does on the right, on the left, we're sorted. But if not, what will we do with Valencia? Play him as an AMC in a 4-5-1? We know he can play in the mid, he does for Ecuador, but can he do it with us and do it well? Hmm, he wont be as good as he would be on the right wing. Can't leave him out. Only option is Nani to get awesome on the left really. lol.
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