You don't think Rooney, Valencia, Giggs, Hernandez, or Owen fit in that category then?
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You don't think Rooney, Valencia, Giggs, Hernandez, or Owen fit in that category then?
Well considering when Nani went off Giggs went left again, it probably wouldn't have looked much different.
Stick Valencia there. He would've been just as effective. Or just don't bring Owen on, he was always likely to do feck all.
When we need a goal, you shouldn't take our best player this season off.
No.
Two things disappointed me about Nani. I'm not scapegoating him, but its a thread about him so feck off with this "typical, we lost and some are saying all Nani's fault.." bollocks, whomever is thinking of bringing it up..
The first is, as I've said, his refusal to use O'Shea other than as the decoy. It doesn't work for a start as defenders don't believe that he'll pass so they'll just let O'Shea pass unfettered knowing he's never getting the ball.
Secondly, the whole, shadowing inside thing trying to get a shot away, I don't think works against a defense that were holding the line as well as Newcastle were.
Did I say that? Where? I don't rate Owen at all so wouldn't have brought him on in the first place when we had control already in the game.
Giggs didn't go left, he played through the middle. Rooney went left.
Did you not watch it?
Nobody has said that...
but he shouldn't have gone off the pitch. Our entire attack looked devoid of goals tonight, Giggs and Hernandez were both much worse than Nani was.
Yeah, I didn't watch it. Obviously
Giggs and Rooney just drifted, Rooney went out left as much as Giggs. And considering how deep Rooney has been playing this season he would have been better off playing through the middle than out wide.
Yeah, I didn't watch it. Obviously
Giggs and Rooney just drifted, Rooney went out left as much as Giggs. And considering how deep Rooney has been playing this season he would have been better off playing through the middle than out wide.
Oh sorry, I'm an idiot for thinking Giggs didn't play on the left. That big centre circle on the left hand side he occupied when Nani went off.
Rooney drifted in from the left, as is usually always his role when he's on the left. Our midfield when Nani went off was Valencia, Carrick, Giggs, Rooney.
So sorry, either you weren't watching or you don't know left from centre.
Who said you were an idiot? You're really are an odd one
He is right though Smashed
yes, I'm odd and that big round circle on the pitch is the left hand side.
Sorry but when you counter a point by trying to pretend that Giggs played on the left because it suits your argument to counter my argument about countering an argument as to who should play in the middle of the pitch, expect to be picked up on it.
So I return to my point now anyone who saw the game knows Rooney went left and Giggs in the middle...
If Giggs went off for Owen, as suggested, who would have played in the middle?
Only in the fact that I didn't really explain my point properly originally. Not that I would give him the satifaction of admitting that because he's a patronising prick.
I didn't mean Giggs designated position was left, I meant he drifted out wide and interchanged with Rooney. We had 10 minutes left, structure went out the window and it was a case of everyone attack. So Nani could quite easily have stayed on the pitch and interchanged with Rooney like giggs did
Nani was shite tonight and Giggs improved our central midfield massively when he move inside (Anderson was even worse than Nani) We certainly didn't miss Nani when he got the hook.
Sadly, Owen and Valencia seemed intent on out-shiteing the players they replaced.
Sadly, Owen and Valencia seemed intent on out-shiteing the players they replaced.
If you saw any interchanging between Rooney and Giggs on the left you weren't watching the same game as I was as I didn't see Giggs drift over at all.
I think he should've stayed on and then let Valencia into the middle because he was doing nothing on the wings tonight.
Nani had a poor game by his standards but everyone knows that he's still capable of a moment of magic that nobody else really is.
I thought Anderson just looked tired, to be honest. He's just getting back to fitness but I think aside from that there's been a longer-term concern of his ability to be active and influential late on in games. Perhaps an issue with his overall fitness.
Personally I would have taken Hernandez off, in all honesty I didn't think he was going to score in a million years today. Nani wasn't great, but Hernandez was poor, and of the two I would have put my money on Nani scoring
Well despite everyone looking pretty poor, Nani and Rooney were the only 2 who ever looked like scoring a goal tonight. I can't for the life of me understand how Giggs and hernandez were kept on ahead of Nani, nor why the feck Owen came on for him.
Dunno if fitness was the main issue. If anything the first 45 was when he was at his very worst.
He's just so inconsistent. Capable of playing so well, yet an absolute stinker is always just round the corner. A shame really.
Giggs and Rooney looked the two most likely to create, all game long. Taking one of those two off would have been madness.
Giggs? Come on now, he was really out of sorts tonight, he really did not do anything and after the miss his confidence looked shot.
Giggs was quite clearly playing in the centre after Nani went off, Smashed.
There were a couple of times where he dropped even deeper than Carrick in that central midfield area.
There were a couple of times where he dropped even deeper than Carrick in that central midfield area.
at home maybe he is but is shite away
In the last 20 minutes he was at the centre of all our attacking football. Nobody else looked like creating anything.
Not very usedful though when so many of your passes are way off the intended target.
Not to mention his shots on goal.....
Not to mention his shots on goal.....
Ok, so criticising Berba for misses and poor play is a no go for RedDefence but Nani is fair game?
Anyway, on topic, I agree with Pogue here, nothing wrong with a player trying to step up to the plate and win the game on his own. Fair play to Nani.
Heh, I don't think that's what Pogue is saying.
Yeah, that confused me too.
I think the sum total of my opinion on Nani in this thread tonight was pointing out that he was shite, albeit not significantly more shite than the bloke who replaced him.
Sucks balls that our two best wingers have gone to pot in the last week or so. Oh well, onwards and upwards.
I think the sum total of my opinion on Nani in this thread tonight was pointing out that he was shite, albeit not significantly more shite than the bloke who replaced him.
Sucks balls that our two best wingers have gone to pot in the last week or so. Oh well, onwards and upwards.
ooops.
Yep, I think this is clearly the case. I wanted Nani to stay on, as said before he's a player who can create something out of nothing, and has done many times this season. That said, I thought we might want to have some form of stability if we were opened on the counter. Saying that, be in Giggs or Nani, it probably wouldn't have made much difference, Newcastle weren't going to snatch one.
He did not have a good game, but that is not the reason I am bumping this, again I think SAF made the wrong sub, I don't believe Owen added that much of a goal threat than Nani would have offered. I mean how many touches did Owen get? I don't like this trend of subbing Nani off like that. It is terrible.
Bringing off a supplier to bring on a box player is indeed a strange move. Owen needs guys like Valencia,Giggs and Nani supplying him, they can't do that from the bench.
But Nani was too often caught in possession and tried too much to dribble and slowed us down.
When Giggs came on the left, we looked much much better as Giggsy didn't slow us down with his dribble but drove us and Evra forward.
Nani just looks a bit slow ever since that Carragher tackle, I wish he'll regain top gear soon as we have some super important matches coming up and he'll be the key to unlocking those defenses.
When Giggs came on the left, we looked much much better as Giggsy didn't slow us down with his dribble but drove us and Evra forward.
Nani just looks a bit slow ever since that Carragher tackle, I wish he'll regain top gear soon as we have some super important matches coming up and he'll be the key to unlocking those defenses.
Rooney was supposingly the supplier as he was converted to the left, but SAF made the right choice to bring Giggs on and we simply excelled in a way imo.
He was rubbish today, held on to the ball a bit too long and he sort of reminded of old Nani. Not really worried though, he's been great this season and with his sort of playing style he's always going to frustrate in the odd game.
Yeah he did struggle with Hibbert and Coleman double teaming him but still he's one of a handful United players that can do that magic thing that wins a game.
It looks to me like he has lost a little bit of confidence. Always a dangerous player though and not a bad move to keep him fresh for Schalke I hope he can get a goal against them and be back to the Nani we know.
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