I always knew he would make it...just didn't think it would be at United around 15 months ago.Seriously thought Fergie had lost patience with him, and that he would be gone.
Luis Nani | 2010/11 Performances
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Some classic Pogue in there
You cant make fun of him though, because that was 18 months ago
Can and will. Sorry, if Pogue doesnt like it he shouldnt have spent so much time arguing with my posts about giving the player an extended run in the team or using him on the right where he was playing better for Portugal. Or that he wasnt supremely talented.
By all means share your opinion but if you argue with someone else's opinion, dont be wrong. We're all wrong sometimes that doesnt make you a bad poster or person. But refusing to accept what comes after that might do.
Why are all the Nani threads getting bumped in the last few days?
As far as I know, there was no doubt that Nani despite being talented was inconsistent and frustrating amongst his two years. Nobody denied his talent(a very few did but that doesn't matter), and surely everyone was right to criticize on the basis of his performances in the first two years.
I've read many of the posters justifying their criticism of Berbatov for the last two seasons these days because quite simply to some extent he deserved that criticism. Similarly, Nani also deserved some criticism which was coming his way for his performances. Not sure why some people see the need to bump those threads and laugh at other people's opinion which was partially valid at that time.
Ofcourse all the above applies to fair criticism, shit posts like "Nani is shit"(Like Domzi's post) etc deserve to be quoted again and again and be laughed at.
As far as I know, there was no doubt that Nani despite being talented was inconsistent and frustrating amongst his two years. Nobody denied his talent(a very few did but that doesn't matter), and surely everyone was right to criticize on the basis of his performances in the first two years.
I've read many of the posters justifying their criticism of Berbatov for the last two seasons these days because quite simply to some extent he deserved that criticism. Similarly, Nani also deserved some criticism which was coming his way for his performances. Not sure why some people see the need to bump those threads and laugh at other people's opinion which was partially valid at that time.
Ofcourse all the above applies to fair criticism, shit posts like "Nani is shit"(Like Domzi's post) etc deserve to be quoted again and again and be laughed at.
I hate some the condescending cnuts with their air of superiority just because they "believed" in Nani.Some of the criticisms Nani received was justified at the time
Because thats slightly less harsh than quoting the silly posts in those threads, in other threads where they'd no doubt become as famous as the word "Modric" on redcafe. Its just a reminder that even the supposed best posters on this site get it wrong sometimes. I havent bumped any myself but I can see why
Well, no. He was really good in his first season and the only reason he didnt have the most assists for us was that Giggs played far more often. Nani even from his first season, had our best ratio of minutes to assists. He just wasnt used enough to finish out on top.
Personally I had watched him before the season in a youth torunament for Portugal and I came away thinking he wasnt better than Young who was there for England and Rossi had done a lot better for Italy too. So going into pre-season and his first league season, I didnt have the greatest opinion of him. But as he produced his fine moments in pre-season and over the league season I saw that he was a very good young player. And despite Anderson's performances over christmas in midfield I felt Nani had the better first season. So I cant see why people wouldnt have been very happy with his first season
In his second season his performances dipped for sure. He continued to produce with assists, if I remember correctly his goals dried up a bit. And a bunch of his assists came in lesser competitions. But still he was adding something to the team that Park wasnt. It wasnt a good season for Nani overall and no surprise that plenty of posters were dissappointed. Some people went well over the top, as they do.
They both deserved some. Neither should have been written off completely, or should have been accused of not being "quite good at football" etc. They were always two of our more talented players but for some reason people werent able to see that in Nani.
Honestly I'm not sure those ones are as bad. I mean "He's shit" was always just a dumb a post with little thought going into it. I think its worse when people put in the effort of questioning talent and questioning his ability to do things. That suggested that although these people thought it through and it isnt an off the cuff remark, they just didnt see his potential and the ability he had shown to do things like cross a ball or shoot with either foot.
He obviously improved his skills over time, but even in his first couple of seasons he had moments where he showed top level ability to do these things. Just a flash of whats to come. But enough to show he can do it. And he was obviously going to improve these skills over time like most players do.
True, but i do understand where the Nani supporters are coming from. At the time they had to put up with all his haters who refused to look at the potential and only looked at his form/inconsistancies, they would then slate the "believers" that they were foolish/dumb/etc... And if anything they were far more condescending then anything i've read so far - claiming their understanding of youth and player development rivalled some of the best coaches/scouts in the game. So by those counts its only fair that the people who believed in him have a little pay back now.
Personally i support all United players even through bad spells because you dont have a club like United splash the cash on you unless you have serious talent. Also after Nanis first season i always found it weird people would write him off, i suppose thats the same reason i hold such high hopes for Anderson.
Loved the way he dribbled past Alex and Terry in one movement tonight, hope someone can gif it, was almost taking the piss towards the end tonight, Had ivanovic (a player i rate very highly as the best defensive right back in the league) on toast tonight.
No doubt he is a genuine world class winger now.
No doubt he is a genuine world class winger now.
At the start of the game, when the teams walked out the tunnel he held up 5 fingers and 2 (7) - the first thing that came to my mind was it a gesture towards the PFA Short list? Or was it something else.
Do you still feel this is the case Aaron? I still reckon Nani was being brought upto speed in those games, and it was only two matches he was rested for. I think if fully fit, he will start every game for the run in as he offers us much more then Giggs or Park in that position.
He couldn't do an awful lot tonight because any time he ran with the ball, Chelski hacked him down.
I do, I think it was because for some reason, perhaps to block or act as a counter towards the attacking presence of Ashley Cole, Park played on the right. I also feel that this is the reason why Rafael, if passed fit or not, would not have dislodged O'Shea from the right back position this match. Not to mention the height issue the boss alluded to after the first leg.
Nani obviously brings you different qualities such as speed and the ability to take people on, no question. But I think his inclusion over Valencia was of a needs must scenario of trying to quell rather than counter the attack of Cole by having two more defensive minded players opposing him. For the first hour or so any way. Park did shift to the left when Valencia came on however. But we were 1-0 up with Chelsea needing to score two at that point so perhaps Fergie thought there was merit in looking for the counter, anticipating Cole would venture forward by hook or by crook anyway and ensuring we had fresh legs there to take advantage of it.
As for starting every game, if fit, he missed out vs West Ham and vs Chelsea in the first leg, two consecutive fixtures he was fully fit for.
yeah i´m gonna have a little moan about this lad again, great great player who has exceeded all my expectations in the last year but it´s little things like asking for the ref to show a card after being tackled in last nights game that just grates with me, it might well be part of the game these days but it´s just something i dont want associated with Manchester United.
Ah, I don't like it but I don't see the fuss over it. I think our priorities are screwed in the head if we get outraged over that over and above two footed challenges, as we do.
Side note though, after that Rio came forward just as the free kick was being placed, leant over and had a word in Nani's ear, then patted him on the back. I suspect he said something.
yeah, i saw that and thought the same thing.
and maybe i am being a little over critical of this event as i hadn´t had lumps kicked out of me for most of the game.
Yeah, well done Rio. Almost certainly discussing the card gesture. Remember him doing the same to Rafael once.
But tbf, he has improved his play acting a lot. That was just plain stupid and I'm glad he is doing it less and less
He could have released the ball earlier at times, something that he improved a lot in the last 12 months. Other than that, he was good
When you are a player like nani or Ronaldo before him, given the sheer amount of times your ankles get kicked or younget taken out from all angles, and then you see it go unpunished game after game, week after week, season after season, honestly, I understand where heis coming from and don't blame him. It was a booking offence. He just wanted to make sure the ref had no doubt. I have no problem with it myself. ESP not from wingers who get assaulted virtually every game.
i´ve already made this point but i will forgive you as you are probably still hungover.
The major chnae with nani for me is that I get excited and feel fullmof possibility when he gets the ball. He is confident, he goes at opposition players and makes them nervous and do silly things. His long distance shooting has improved beyond recognition and I think SAF has given him licence to now shoot on sight.
Chicharito waved an imaginary card last night, too, which I wasn't happy about. I'm sure someone will have a word with him if he does it again.
As for Nani's inclusion, I'm pretty confident he'll feature in all our remaining games now as long as he stays fit.
As for Nani's inclusion, I'm pretty confident he'll feature in all our remaining games now as long as he stays fit.
I can't believe the regularity in which Nani tends to beat his man. He's such a class act. The way he just manufactures that little bit of space every single time is frightening.
Would've been a great goal had he scored that one after shitting out Terry and Alex.
Would've been a great goal had he scored that one after shitting out Terry and Alex.
I'm not so sure he was fully fit and those were two demanding matches to get back into, and for his first few games back he still looked a bit reluctant to play at full speed and a bit wary of challenges. I think he was only dropped to secure his fitness and to make sure we had the strongest possible line-up available, which had he not been mauled by Carragher, featured in.
But you were expecting him to feature less for the first team and be restricted to the bench...It hasn't happened and I don't really see it happening as he's one of our most important players out there.
Fergie said that Valencia in preference to Nani in the first leg was tactical.
Anything on West Ham?
Probably not fully fit for West Ham, I'd guess Fergie wanted to save him for the CL but he then decided to pick Valencia cause he would track back more than Nani, which proved to be a great decision.
I can't see Nani being left out of any games in the run in now, bar resting him. Or at least I hope he isn't.
I can't see Nani being left out of any games in the run in now, bar resting him. Or at least I hope he isn't.
I think it was more to do with Valencia's power and plus he needed games more than anything else. Besides, Nani could use the rest. We'll definitely need him for the run in.
Who is Martin Irvine on Sky? He wrote this before the match:
Is there not one person in the media who recognizes his contribution to the team?
Is there not one person in the media who recognizes his contribution to the team?
I donno but it is mighty frustrating, Bale makes one good run in a game and hes brilliant. Nani does it consistantly and hes inconsistant, granted he wasnt at his best tonight no one can undermine what a performer he has been for us this season
What a joke to sub him when we needed a goal.
Fergie wanted to get Owen on, who could have gone off?
Rubbish decision, but what the hell, tomorrow becomes more important than what it could have been.
Why? He just spent the first hour tiring our right back out for no good reason by refusing to use him on the overlap.
If your right back is going to run up and down all day, at least use him occasionally. When he switched over to the left when Valencia came on, he literally vanished from the game.
Giggs. Who was pants and should have scored at least once tonight
Well, in my opinion he's a player who could get a goal from nowhere so I think he should have stayed on for the 90.
And I don't rate Owen anymore so I wouldn't have brought him on at all.
And I don't rate Owen anymore so I wouldn't have brought him on at all.
Giggs. He was awful.
Taking Nani off when we are pushing for a goal is a very odd decision.
So how would your middle of the midfield have lined up then?
Nani was poor though, one of his worst displays of the season, Valencia gave his worst performance in ages against City to, bit worrying and dont think its a surprise when our wide boys arent firing we struggle for goals, we look a great side when our wingers are in full flow, when they're not we huff and puff a lot.
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