Luis Nani | 2010/11 Performances

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Can't see what's laughable about saying Rooney is a better offensive player than Nani. I still have Rooney down as post Ronaldo our best, most proven and important attacking player, although Nani's progressed so much he's certainly narrowed the gap hugely. The fact Rooney has had an injury and controversy hit season is what makes it debatable but I'd prefer Nani to have one more top season before putting such lofty praise on him.

Same way as I don't see why saying Berbatov is a better offensive player than Nani is laughable either going on the season he has had. I'd disagree with it, as for me Nani is our best attacking player after Rooney, but there's certainly a debate to be had there as both have generally had very good seasons. The laughing smiley would indicate it is obvious Nani is better than both of them which for me is the laughable argument.
 
"Nani's my player of the year," he told the Manchester United's official magazine.

"I've gone on about Samir Nasri and Gareth Bale in the last few months, but Nani beats them both.

"He's been involved in a crazy number of our goals this season - it's ridiculous.

"He's easily been our most productive player, without a doubt.

"Berba's scored a lot of goals but when we've needed that little bit of magic, Nani's been the man to step up."
Ferdinand, who has been suffering from injury problems this season, says that he loves watching his team-mate work his magic on the pitch.

"He's the kind of player who gets me off my seat," added Ferdinand.

"He's exciting to watch and he always wants to beat his man, which is a great trait in an attacker. He always wants the ball, he's determined and he scores regularly, too.

"I don't think he gets the plaudits he deserves. A lot of people overlook him but he's been as good as anybody else in the league this season."
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I'll go with Rio on this.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
Can't see what's laughable about saying Rooney is a better offensive player than Nani. I still have Rooney down as post Ronaldo our best, most proven and important attacking player, although Nani's progressed so much he's certainly narrowed the gap hugely. The fact Rooney has had an injury and controversy hit season is what makes it debatable but I'd prefer Nani to have one more top season before putting such lofty praise on him.

Same way as I don't see why saying Berbatov is a better offensive player than Nani is laughable either going on the season he has had. I'd disagree with it, as for me Nani is our best attacking player after Rooney, but there's certainly a debate to be had there as both have generally had very good seasons. The laughing smiley would indicate it is obvious Nani is better than both of them which for me is the laughable argument.
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Nani's been our best attacking player since Jan 2009, if you can't see that I'm baffled quite frankly.
 
Sharky7 said:
Nani's been our best attacking player since Jan 2009, if you can't see that I'm baffled quite frankly.
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Eh. Nani was not in the side 2009. I presume you mean January 2010.

Nani might well have been United's most in form attacking player since January 2010 but that's not the quesiton being discussed here is it. The question here is who is United's best attacking player? Why would that be defined as who has been the most in form since Jan 2010 unless you want to set the criteria as the most advantegous to Nani becase that's when his upsurge in form started and Rooney who had a very good season in 09/10 has had injury problems and off field controversy for alot of the early part of this season. I'm baffled why anyone would want to set the debate in this way tbh.

For me, there's alot more to consider that such a limited set of criteria. Rooney won the player of the year last season and at times carried United scoring 34 goals and winning plenty of big games. He's also been consistently one of United's best players since we signed him in 2004 with only Ronaldo for me consistently besting during this time period as an attacking player and he's also a fantastically talented all round footballer who can create and score goals. It's taken him a while this season, primarily due to injury to show his true form but he's been back to his best these last few months and for me currently, I'd still have him as our best attacking player, based on talent, ability and his past track record.

Nani has narrowed the gap hugely by his form of the last 15 months and his consistent productivity which has been one of the biggest factors in our success this season and he's kept this form up long enough to be deemed a top player. I don't think he's hit the same heights Rooney has hit yet during his career but he's younger and he's got the time ahead of him to do that. Nani got stacks of positives and plenty of talent and more potential to realise which is exciting and boads well for United. But I would not say he's our best attacking player yet, it's just abit too premature for me. Rooney's still ahead of him.

Then there is Berbatov who has also had a very good season and I case can be made for him being our best attacking player this season. Berbatov has consistently been good, is the league's top scorer and has won plenty of important and big games for United this season. Like Nani, we would not be having as successful year as we have had without his very good contribution this season and he also is a wonderfully talented player who is a joy to watch on his day. I'd say Nani has been consistent over a longer period of time than Berba so would say he's a more important attacking player to United, especially with Hernandez and Rooney about, but Berba still has plenty of positives and arguments which can be made in his favour.

It's a pretty close call for me and a debate of fine margins which is settled by how you weigh certain factors.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
Eh. Nani was not in the side 2009. I presume you mean January 2010.
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No shit I mean 2010.

Ole'sbodyguard said:
Then there is Berbatov who has also had a very good season and I case can be made for him being our best attacking player this season. Berbatov has consistently been good, is the league's top scorer and has won plenty of important and big games for United this season. Like Nani, we would not be having as successful year as we have had without his very good contribution this season and he also is a wonderfully talented player who is a joy to watch on his day. I'd say Nani has been consistent over a longer period of time than Berba so would say he's a more important attacking player to United, especially with Hernandez and Rooney about, but Berba still has plenty of positives and arguments which can be made in his favour.
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This is the laugable part, you actually agree with me but don't think it's laughable, I do. There isn't really much for us to debate, is it laughable, is it not? makes a crap debate imo.

We have a different opinion on a small matter but agree in the main, that'll do for me.
 
Sharky7 said:
No shit I mean 2010.



This is the laugable part, you actually agree with me but don't think it's laughable, I do. There isn't really much for us to debate, is it laughable, is it not? makes a crap debate imo.

We have a different opinion on a small matter but agree in the main, that'll do for me.
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I don't agree with you at all because you are limiting the discussion to who was the most in form since Jan 2010 which for me is pointless. Why limit who United's best attacking player to such a time-frame? You have also not engaged on any of the points on Rooney in this debate so I'd say we are not close to being in agreement at all.

I'd agree Nani is a more important and is a better offensive player than Berbatov but it's not laughable for someone to make the converse argument, even though I disagree with it. It's a debate of fine margins and claiming Rooney and possibly Berbatov as United's best offensive player over Nani is not laughable. I'd thought this obvious as I still rate Rooney slightly ahead of Nani myself and can also see the debate with Berba. Kietotheworld's point was fair enough and no bothered to engage him on it but went straight to the laughing smileys.
 
Ole'sbodyguard said:
I don't agree with you at all
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Erm.... yes you do.... :confused:

Ole'sbodyguard said:
I'd agree Nani is a more important and is a better offensive player than Berbatov
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and.... :confused:

Ole'sbodyguard said:
I'd say Nani has been consistent over a longer period of time than Berba so would say he's a more important attacking player to United
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Ole'sbodyguard said:
You have also not engaged on any of the points on Rooney in this debate so I'd say we are not close to being in agreement at all.
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Rooney being better than Nani is not laughable.

So as I said, we agree on the main (that Nani is more important than Berba) but disagree on a small point, that it is laughable. Nothing to debate here, move along...
 
No need to act like a tit, Sharky.

You got all menstrual about Lance calling someone names but laughing at a perfectly fair point (Rooney's been a better offensive player for us than Nani) and brushing off another very reasonable and lengthy post the way you did is just as objectionable.
 
Twitters gone mental at the news Nani isnt on the PFA Player of the Year nominees.
 
I don't think kietotheworld would have thought that your laughing smilie was particularly necessary either, though.

Being a massive Nani fan's great and all, why not stick to being relentlessly positive about him rather than giving grief to others who supposedly underrate him?
 
Brwned said:
I don't think kietotheworld would have thought that your laughing smilie was particularly necessary either, though.
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So :lol: = calling someone a fecking prick etc.

Come off it, laughing smilies voice an opinion, in this case it was my opinion that Berba being a more important attacking player for us than Nani was laughable. Name calling and acting like a bunch of pre-pubescent kids is another matter all together, it's not opinion it's just vial.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Nobody called you any names. You're acting like a tit in this instance. I don't think you are one.
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I was talking more about the thing with lance that you alluded to.

Maybe I was acting like a tit but I think I had a point. I think it's laughable but Ole thinks it certainly isn't, it's hard to find some common ground there and I was trying my best to do it, being a little bit of a "tit" along the way granted. :angel:
 
Well, no. Some people take more offence to their opinions being laughed at than name calling on here, mind. Comes with the territory really, people don't come onto a football forum to have mates they come on here to have their opinion heard. Personally I can't see why people would take offence to either because you'll see examples of both in the pub, in the stadium or in your own living room while watching a game, but that's besides the point.

They're both voicing your opinion anyway, and both in a not particularly constructive way. Laughing at ones opinion implies condescension, it's hardly harmless. Not that I'm in any position to say what's right or wrong - I've done both on many occasion. We all have our bad habits that come out in discussion, let's not pretend we're blameless! Let's just get back to Nani, he's much more worthy of our time.
 
Yeah, I suppose he's been sacrificed for Hernandez. I would have preferred to see him over Valencia in this case, though.
 
Reckon he is not fit or else there was no reason to drop our best player of this season for our most crucial match this season(so far).
 
Yeah I was way off on my previous assertion that due to Valencia's return and the fact there is greater competition on the left hand side of midfield that Nani may find himself restricted to the bench more often during the run in than he has been all season, wasn't it?


Not meaning to be a cock but others were when i made the suggestion a couple of weeks ago.
 
Man-United said:
Good news is that he will start against Fulham then.
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He will, if fit that is. It was blindly obvious that with Park back and how Fergie likes to play tight in these european games especially, that Nani was unlikely to play if Valencia was also playing.
 
Its not Hernandez' form that is costing him.

It is Valencia's form. Park always plays these games so it was going to be between Nani and Valencia. Can't drop Antonio on his current form.
 
RedLars said:
Yeah, I suppose he's been sacrificed for Hernandez. I would have preferred to see him over Valencia in this case, though.
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Agreed, as much as I like Valencia, Nani is capable of producing magic at any time... I would prefer Nani over both Valencia and Giggs.

Fergie hits the nail more often than not so we'll see. In any case, we'll see Nani today.
 
CentreForward said:
Nani is not as combinative as Valencia
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Maybe not as but he's not far behind, Nani works his ass off... and he's a better player, that should count for something.

Valencia is great though, his crossing is vital, I would probably have had Nani out left instead of Giggs.

Hopefully Giggs proves me wrong and tears Chelsea apart.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
Its not Hernandez' form that is costing him.

It is Valencia's form. Park always plays these games so it was going to be between Nani and Valencia. Can't drop Antonio on his current form.
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Park plays for a tactical reason usually, to give us more defensively. We dont need that on our left. Chelsea's danger comes from their left and Cole getting forward to support attack.

So if we were going to pick Park for any reason other than what Sir Alex has said is the reason he and Valencia are playing, "freshness", then surely he'd play on the right and one of Nani and Giggs on the left.
 
mustaine said:
Maybe not as but he's not far behind, Nani works his ass off... and he's a better player, that should count for something.

Valencia is great though, his crossing is vital, I would probably have had Nani out left instead of Giggs.

Hopefully Giggs proves me wrong and tears Chelsea apart.
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I think Giggsy was chosen as he could switch to midfield at any time and we'd change shape
 
Since Valencia has returned nani has been used very sparingly.
Is the manager trying to recharge his batteries or has he simply lost his place?
 
MalteseRedDevil said:
Since Valencia has returned nani has been used very sparingly.
Is the manager trying to recharge his batteries or has he simply lost his place?
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No way has Nani lost his place after this season. Its just that he doesnt seem to be fullly fit and for this game, i can understand Fergies decision
 
MalteseRedDevil said:
Since Valencia has returned nani has been used very sparingly.
Is the manager trying to recharge his batteries or has he simply lost his place?
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He's been playing a bit gingerly since he gashed his shin, so maybe Fergie is waiting until he's feeling fully confident again?

That said, when you're away from home and want to play a tight, organised game then Valencia and Park are the business.
 
yeah he was probably dropped for tactical reason. But also because his form has dipped a bit. A Nani at his best would ahve started his game regardless of any tactics
 
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