Add martial to that list. No way we need him up front. I’ve been such a fan of his but with rashford and sancho on LW it’s a no brainer. Ronaldo and Cavani up the middle.
Luckhurst: United prepared to move for a holding midfielder in January
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Lingard has just come on in two games and absolutely stunk the place up. Lower bottom level is nonsense. There’s a reason Lingard was called a championship player for years.
Never played under SAF. Unless you count preseason friendlies.
Lingard has earned many times more than championship players ever will. He should goto newcastle in jan for a payday before be retires, if they get relegated he'll be at his level.
The next contract he signs will probably be his last.
Because idiots are allowed to have internet access.
Love that!
Agree. Not sure why people are comparing Martial and Lingard's contributions/quality. It's irrelevant.
Martial costs a lot in wages, is a misfit for a pressing side, won't start, needs continuity and will sulk. A move is best for both parties.
Lingard can work as a squad player. Not sure what game people were watching on Thursday, he did exactly what we needed from him.
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Sure, I’m not saying it’s a valid opinion but it clearly shows that Lingard is a far less talented player than Martial and martial has displayed far better performances for Utd overall. Weird how the narrative has shifted based on 6 months at West Ham.
As has Martial. In fact he was the best player under LVG, saved Mourinhos job countless times and displayed some of his best ever form for a spell under Ole. Lingard has done literally feck all for years aside from a 6 month spell for West Ham, following a purple patch years ago for Utd. Look I like him, but it’s not controversial to realise that Martial even now is twice the player Lingard will ever be.
He’s probably better than Rashford currently too.
Martial was decent v Everton scored a goal picked up a knock and hasn’t started since .
If we could get them off to Newcastle for 50m combined they wouldn't be missed
Couldn’t imagine still championing Martial, I’d take Lingard over him all day long. Both are below the standard required.
I’ll never get the desperation to make out Martial was ever that great for us. A few short bursts of hope, quickly followed by mediocrity.
I’ll never get the desperation to make out Martial was ever that great for us. A few short bursts of hope, quickly followed by mediocrity.
Lingard has proven to be a much bigger sulker this season, I can only imagine the uproar if Martial posted a picture of himself on social media in another team’s kit, but being British seems to give you a pass for a poor attitude on this forum. And to play in attack for United you need to do much more than be able to press. If both players were able to return to their previous form, I think any manager would find Martial a lot more useful than Lingard.
I don’t think a single person is even championing him though? No one’s saying he’s going to regain form and turn us into championship contenders, just stating he’s more useful than Lingard. Some of you lose all rationality when discussing players you don’t like.
Even if that was true, which it isn’t, he’s shown a lot more than Lingard ffs. Barring one purple patch under Mourinho, Lingard has never even come close to nailing down a starting spot. No matter what you think of Martial, he’s at least been a constant presence under all of our managers, which should tell you something about his quality.
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It's not him being British (I'm not), it's just I know he is an overgrown child with very poor judgement. His attitude/commitment on the pitch has always been unquestionable though.
As said, it would always be as rotation and that would require Rangnick wanting him and him being ok with that role.
I see that as feasible while I don't see Martial having any future with us.
He cost himself his job.
You hit the nail on the head. Despite off pitch stupidities, Lingard could never be accused of giving less than 100% when he’s on the pitch.
the same could not be said of Martial
I feel like Newcastle's newfound upward mobility has come at a very opportune time and we should ride the likes of them hard and aggressively target them to sell our dead wood to. Money will be no object, they're still at the clueless transition phase at the moment and aren't in a position where they can target world class players. No doubt they might surpass us in a few years with the unlimited cash available to them but let's make hay while we can.
The problem you have there is they look likely for relegation so a lot of players will think twice about going. Would be easier decision for players if they were midtable.
How can he presently be more useful than Lingard? The man barely runs.
Of course it is a fair argument in terms of ability, technique, goalscoring, however you want to slice and dice it. But given he's done nothing for a long time and barely puts a shift in it is all theoretical usefulness and nothing we can actually realise.
Anthony Martial is currently about as useless to us as a player could possibly be. Maybe we're due another false dawn at some point.
Denis Zakaria. His contract expires in June.
By clueless fans, yes.
There’s a big gap between not good enough for United and a championship player. Lingard as proven last season is a good mid level premier league player.
Agreed I'm not saying that's a fair opinion but he's clearly not good enough and hasn't been for years.
Dalot wasn’t good enough, Telles wasn’t Man Utd standard, Lingard is rubbish, Martial is rubbish, Fred is useless, Sancho is a waste of £70m, Ronaldo won’t be able to play in a RR team, Rashford isn’t as good as everyone thought he was, Pogba is rubbish, trying to think of any other players that have been deemed not good enough by the footballing super brains on here!
New manager in ALL players get a clean slate, lets see how they actually do over the next few months before we go over react about this player not being of UTD standard.
New manager in ALL players get a clean slate, lets see how they actually do over the next few months before we go over react about this player not being of UTD standard.
Luckhurst: United prepared to move for a holding midfielder in January
Hiadara or Kamara surely? Don’t want De Jong at United. Seems to have soft personality.
Never heard of these two, who do you prefer?
A new midfielder in January lets Donny go at the same time. Probably at least one of Pogba/Matic in the summer too.
From the little I've seen, Kamara looks perfect for us.
Haidara isn't a holding midfielder , Kamara should be available and could be decent punt .
I only just learned about them through the caf - I have no knowledge from watching them. I’ve seen couple of tactical videos and I’d say that Haidara would suits Rangnick’s style of play. That other player Kamara seems to have good potential.
I mean, I’m sure @Adnan could tell you everything there is to know about them, if he wants, eh Adnan?
Haidara is in the mould of a midfielder that Rangnick would go for apparently though. But who knows what exact type of player that we will go for…
I only just learned about them through the caf - I have no knowledge from watching them. I’ve seen couple of tactical videos and I’d say that Haidara would suits Rangnick’s style of play. That other player Kamara seems to have good potential.
I mean, I’m sure @Adnan could tell you everything there is to know about them, if he wants, eh Adnan?
Thank you, I’ll camp here for more details.
I would think we would be buying players based on who we will get next as Rangnick is overseeing use just for the short term.
I'm surprised we haven't been linked with Mohamed Camara yet given Rangnicks connection to RB Salzburg. Quality talent from what I've seen.
I'd liken Kamara to a budget Fabinho, probably would be a sensible signing.
Yeah, we quite simply don't have a player like him. We need our Rodri/Fabinho. I'd much rather that profile of player partner Fred, than a Haidara. Although perhaps Rangnick sees it differently.
I think Rangnick will look to appoint someone similar to what his ethos is and he hasn’t ruled out staying further than 6 months so we will see. But it’s good to see Glazers backing him.
We're not looking for squad depth here though, is he good enough to be a clear starting XI player at United? Not sure about that.