You want to get rid of Chong who is having a blinder couple games for Birmingham right now? Wow!
For what it’s worth, I still think we’re gonna be busy before the close of window. Trips & Neves in. Trips on deadline day.
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You want to get rid of Chong who is having a blinder couple games for Birmingham right now? Wow!
For what it’s worth, I still think we’re gonna be busy before the close of window. Trips & Neves in. Trips on deadline day.
If we don't make another signing, that's fine with me. Would love to sign a midfielder, but we have brought in two top players in a window where most clubs are struggling.
Without any decent outs, I think we're done unfortunately. I want to believe, but it has gone oh so very quiet. My confidence on us buying a midfielder was partly based a lot on believing we'd actually sell people of worth, and we're clearly struggling to do that.
We did sign Ronaldo...
For me the sudden rush of Loans Out is showing me we are potentially getting a new midfielder.
Pereira, Lingard and Garner out on loan = New Central area player in.
Pereira, Lingard and Garner out on loan = New Central area player in.
Our squad is overloaded and we can’t get clubs to pay for these players so that’s why it’s loans out . We wont see any more incomings this window.
You won't be joining us for the deadline day frenzy I presume?
I agee with you that the poster is wrong, we are arguably the best league in th world and we did just dominate the champions league.
However, I do feel there is a point he is making, it is the one thing our league is missing. When has our league signed one of the most sought after true superstar players in the world? There have been some huge signings and Varane and even Sancho now this season are perhaps the biggest two, Pogba and Veron, maybe Veron for us. But then look at the City and Chelsea signings.
I remember Linker mentioning this in the past, its the one thing our league generally has failed to do. The end of the last centtury the big stars went to Italy, generally now they go to SPain or even PSG and with the likes of Haalana and Mbappe, I feel this will continue
Save yourself the hassleYou won't be joining us for the deadline day frenzy I presume?
If, say, Rashford looked likely to be back shortly and we could find buyers for Lingard and James I could see us doing something. Otherwise there’s no chance. There’s no money rattling around the market.
We're getting money for those going out on loan and the Sancho/Varane payments are structured so there's no reason why we can't finance another transfer.
I agree but that isn’t to say we haven’t had players in the PL that have developed into world class stars though. Suarez, De Bruyne, Aguero etc Even Kante to a certain extent.
I’ve always thought that something as immaterial as climate and culture plays a huge part. I know if I had a choice between Madrid and Manchester or Barcelona and Liverpool, I’d have decided before you could say ‘dos Cruz Campo por favor’
We need a midfielder but it’s hard to moan after signing Sancho and Varane that’s probably already beyond what I was expecting. I generally feel if we can sell 2-3 players then a late move might happen, we need West Ham to come in for Jesse Lingard.
What's this obsession with selling James? He isn't going anywhere
English clubs generally don't pay superstar wages. Cristiano, Messi, Neymar, Mbappé, Bale, Hazard, Griezmann all earn roughly double what the highest paid PL stars do.
This might change next year with Halaand
He’s well down the pecking order. Sancho coming in and Pogba playing left quite a bit hasn’t helped. If someone put £20m on the table he’d be off, I think.
Lingard and maybe Matic out, Neves and Trippier in, hopefully.
We may sign one player more if sell one/some players. Lingard maybe. But if not, this have still be a good window with Varane and Sancho in. Yes, we need midfielder but it may go to summer 2022. Our squad is already quite competive.
Or you could see it as them being structured that way because believe it or not losing massive income the last year and a half has also hit United (as much as everyone wants to believe otherwise)
Hang on though, look at what’s happened to those clubs, the chickens are coming home to roost
I think most clubs are still apprehensive to be the first to spend and are waiting to see what bargains could be have at the end of the window when clubs start to panic sell.
I think United are going to keep their powder dry until then, happy enough to go into next season as is but also with an eye out for a quality midfielder for a good price.
I don't disagree that we haven't been hit hard by the pandemic and if we were to make another signing i'm sure we'd go down the same road with structured payments.
Not saying it's good/bad policy, just pointing out why you don't see those kind of superstars in england
He's starting at the moment, so he's not that far down is he?
He started the last match and will probably start tomorrow. He's not that far down the options table
He’ll be two, maybe three further down when Rashford, Sancho and Martial are fully fit.
Yes I agree we have certainly developed plenty of stars within our league, doesnt really get bigger than Ronaldo after all. In all honesty I find that more pleasing that signing a ready made superstar, seeing the players grow and develop.
The fact remains, we havent really signed them though and yes I agree the lifestyle and culture plays a big part in that but so does the sheer size of Madrid and Barcelona as well as clubs
Yes and going back a long way we as a club would never compete with Serie A wages for example, we had a limit.
For me personally, I am not sure I am so keen on seeing someone like Haaland here on £600k+....though I dont see it happening anyway
Has a long for lingard been confirmed anywhere? I was hoping we could raise some funds with a sale - and he’s in the last year of his contract isn’t he?
I'd play James before martial on the Wing at least he puts a shift in
Do you think because Chong has played a couple of great games for Birmingham in The Championship we should keep him ? Is he going to play ahead of Sancho, Greenwood or Diallo on the right ?
He’s been here for years and shown he’s not good enough so rather than keeping a load of players who aren’t good enough we should move them on, far too much sentiment for players that have no future for us which is why we’re overloaded with filler and deadwood when we should be a lot more ruthless.
Chong seems like a good chance to be our Rhian Brewster in that a talented youngster can go out on loan and do well, but we’ll sell at a good price while his worth is high.
Utd have to get it into their head that the majority of academy guys won’t make it at the desired Utd level.
Chong could have a great season at Birmingham then we have him back in the Utd squad and he’ll look average as feck again, barely play and the value goes through the floor, and undoubtedly we’d probably hand him £70k a week and a 6 year contract the moment he came back from Birmingham.
And then the people who believe any Utd academy player is automatically destined to be great and give the old “Utd is all about youth given a chance” spiel, will be the same people complaining why do we have these very ordinary players on such high wages and long contracts in a few years time.
Utd have to get it into their head that the majority of academy guys won’t make it at the desired Utd level.
Chong could have a great season at Birmingham then we have him back in the Utd squad and he’ll look average as feck again, barely play and the value goes through the floor, and undoubtedly we’d probably hand him £70k a week and a 6 year contract the moment he came back from Birmingham.
And then the people who believe any Utd academy player is automatically destined to be great and give the old “Utd is all about youth given a chance” spiel, will be the same people complaining why do we have these very ordinary players on such high wages and long contracts in a few years time.
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I don't think Chong has ever looked United quality -
But what's happened is that he is playing in a new position (Centre midfield) and looking like a better/new player.
Not sure if he is still good enough or not, but is playing like a new player.
Because he is 4th or 5th choice when everyone is fit, he doesn't have an impact in our attacking play so is easily replaceable by a youth player and he would bring money. Money we could use to sign a player we actually need and who could contribute more to the team effort to win silverware for the club.
Of course not. But we may be in a position to finally sell him for large amounts. If, let’s say, Chong yields us 20m in transfer fees, it will be a good contribution towards our incoming transfers.
We can’t get £20 million for Lingard who’s player at the highest level and on the back of probably his most consistent period form wise in his career so we’re not getting £20 million for Chong on the back of a loan spell at a Championship club, I’d love for that to happen but it’s not.
It works differently. Lingard is on astronomical wages, while Chong is on modest ones - so it’s easier for buyers to buy Chong than Lingard
I agree with your reasoning but Chong needs to be a contender for championship POTY to command a 20m fee.
Chong wage is by no means modest. I remember he signed new contract not long ago worth 30k per week, for a youngster without any first team experience, its huge.
It'll be Neves!