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we could run with two strikers if we had a muller esqe no.10 but we don't have anything even close.

3 man midfield is where we'll end up imo, it gives him the control and chances he wants so why he denies that i don't know.
 
we could run with two strikers if we had a muller esqe no.10 but we don't have anything even close.

3 man midfield is where we'll end up imo, it gives him the control and chances he wants so why he denies that i don't know.
Because it prove he is wrong. Our strikers our options as striker are that bad as you say it is a waste of a position playing two. We would be better with someone running from midfield.
 
Because it prove he is wrong. Our strikers our options as striker are that bad as you say it is a waste of a position playing two. We would be better with someone running from midfield.
yep.

Ander had no trouble getting goals from midfield last season, he loved the edge of the box.
 
I'm not a fan of the football United are playing but if it is what the manager wants then so be it...but it does feel like the rules don't apply to every player. If players are going to be dropped and changed due to possession stats then the same must apply to Rooney!
 
Maybe we should play Ander as the main striker, he has a better touch than Wayne.

You should save that comment for the Rooney haters, I'm not one of those criticising Rooney, I want him to do well, I said before the season started I think he could get 30 goals. I do however think if he doesn't find form over the next 10 or so matches we need to consider other options, obviously somebody who can play as a striker.
 
I really think that people under play the ability of the striker. I played as a CM, winger and striker during my non professional Sunday league playing days and CF was by far the hardest position I played.

Timing your run to perfection and making space for yourself is so hard. The ability to be in the right place at the right time like the very top class strikers do is a God given talent IMO. It's something that can't be coached.

Rooney cannot be replaced within the squad. If he is no longer good enough (which is debatable and very harsh after two games) then we will need to break the bank to bring in a very special player to take his spot.
 
I might just be being daft but I get the feeling that van Gaal's system is a bit too systematic, in the sense of restricting the freedom of some of the players, suppressing egos for the 'good' of the team etc. Sure discipline is important but I think it's also important for certain players to be allowed to express themselves more than what we see with some of the robotic systems.

Perhaps right now it's a case of first getting the system embedded into the players heads, particularly the new ones, then thinking about allowing the lads to express themselves. Bit of silly speculation there though, can't know for sure what's going on behind the scenes, and more importantly I'm probably talking shit.
It definitely is systematic, but ultimately, he lets players have control of what happens in the match. He allows players to do their own thing, but if they leave the team in a problematic situation, van Gaal will punish them for that. However, if it all works out, van Gaal will appreciate the players' decisions.

For example, look at how often Mata drifts away from his right side, leaving only Darmian there. Theoretically, The #9 or #10 should be one creating overloads in the channels, but Mata does it often, and van Gaal continues to let this happen on the pitch. Essentially, players don't play the game with rigid positioning and in strict roles; they try to follow the fundamentals in each phase of play.

Essentially, what van Gaal wants is controlled anarchy: cause chaos for the opposition whilst keeping your own game controlled and structured. Basically, think of Cruyff's/Bielsa's total football but more controlled and disciplined. He would want players to go in between the areas and create overloads, but he also wants the team to maintain some shape in order to keep as many options as possible for the ball holder.

I really appreciate how we're following van Gaal's system better than before. My only gripe at the moment is that our central midfielders play the game too safely. Against Aston Villa, there was more passing between their lines into Januzaj, Rooney, and Memphis, but the attacking players still look like they're gelling at this stage. Plus, Mata being weak on the ball or Rooney's touches being very loose broke/slowed down many of our attacks.

That's the big problem, Rooney isn't good enough to play like a false 9, he's like 10 yards off of where he's best playing. It doesn't excuse his poor performance but if he keeps playing where he is it might not get much better if we do buy a striker because Rooney's just not getting into the box or into channels where he can make a difference.

My beef is more Rooney's positioning in the defensive phase, it just doesn't seem right.
For me, his defensive positioning is a big problem in our pressing game. However, it doesn't have to do with his deeper positions. Those are a part of how van Gaal wants his front line to defend. He wants the front four to cut off all forward passing positions so that the opponent does not move forward. The problem with Rooney's positioning is that he doesn't cut out the passing avenues well enough and, more often than not, tries to cut out the passing option to a central defender rather than a midfielder. Too often were Villa able to relieve the pressure and move forward whenever Rooney failed to cut out the options. You'd think that someone with his footballing intelligence (due to his movement and positioning as a striker) would be able to close down the passing lanes, but he's very poor at that. I'd probably blame the grassroots coaching in England for that, but that's me.

Otherwise, we did a decent job in pressing out Villa and forcing mistakes from their defence or long balls that Smalling and Blind dealt well with. You can see that part of the reason we are solid is our defensive organisation starting from the front 4. They normally do a very good job in cutting out the options and forcing opposition teams to either play long, to the full backs where we can press them and win the ball, or pass forward with one of our players intercepting the pass.
 
Thought he gave "the kids" a chance and yet all I see is us spending more money than anyone else for players.
 
Thought he gave "the kids" a chance and yet all I see is us spending more money than anyone else for players.
Well he does from time to time. Also I think he is desperate to win the league since he has just this year and the next. His aim is to win 4 league titles before he is done.
 
Well he does from time to time. Also I think he is desperate to win the league since he has just this year and the next. His aim is to win 4 league titles before he is done.
He's won 7 league titles, but if he wins the Premier Legaue at united, he will have won a league title in four different countries - Holland, Spain, Germany and England if he wins the title in his time at United.
 
He's won 7 league titles, but if he wins the Premier Legaue at united, he will have won a league title in four different countries - Holland, Spain, Germany and England if he wins the title in his time at United.
Thats what I meant. 4 league titles in 4 different countries.
 
Thought he gave "the kids" a chance and yet all I see is us spending more money than anyone else for players.

You expected him to play 11 youth players in the team? He played about 8 academy graduates over last season and the ones that stepped up will surely get chances this season.

As for him spending, he has only bought 12 players 2 of whom were free and 2 of whom are already elsewhere. He let go close to 20 players already since he arrived and you can't replace these players cheaply. I don't think anyone is unhappy with our signings that are still here.
 
From what I have seen from Louis at Bayern (albeit on a very few occassions), at the world cup and with us so far: he is inherently a defensive coach inspite of all this talk of "attacking football". If we play two CM's sitting back, the full backs restricted in attack - we are essentially playing with six players with a defensive mindset and very little attacking input. The onus is on the four atacking players to produce the goods with little offensive help from the others. Against teams content to sit back and defend, these four attacking players will be overloaded and find it hard to break them down. Someone like Depay, or if we can get that "special player", will have to produce magical moments for us on a consistent basis.

I cannot write pages filled with words on philosophy or tactics but that is what I have noticed from his teams so far.

Yes, there will be games where we will score a couple of early goals, force the opposition to break from their mould and provide us more spaces to operate in, or there will be opposition who will not only sit back and want to attack us, but most games will see this slow, plodding football with very few chances and goals.

The hope is that this approach will allow us to win enough games to win trophies. If you are looking for weekend entertainment, then you'd be disappointed most of the time.
 
He's creative in terms of his off the ball movement I guess, but when people think creativity, they usually think of players playing the splitting through passes or picking out the mans making the runs, not the actual players who make the runs.

I saw this post in the Pedro thread but wanted to put it here as I thought it might be more relevant, sorry for how long it is, just it's my opinion on what I think Louis means by creative.

When Louis van Gaal says creative I think he means somebody who can create a chance, Robben for him is creative because he will beat a man and attack space creating a 'possibility'.

Memphis is creative because he attacks space, he can see and time his run, Mata is creative in his ability to spot the run, both Mata and Memphis were creative when that chance to make it 2 - 0 against Villa happened, in his own way Pedro will be creative if he can consistently play an important part in our created chances.

That's the impression I get anyway, it would be more helpful if somebody would ask Louis van Gaal so we could get a more in depth explanation of what he means by certain terms.

He is trying 4-2-3-1 with us, he did the same with Bayern and Ajax, the following is his line up from the champions league final 2010 however I have put in Ribery for Allintop as he would have played if he hadn't been suspended (right to left):

Butt

Lahm
Van Buyten
Demichelis
Badstuber

Van Bommel
Schweinsteiger

Robben
Muller
Ribery

Olic

Ajax 95 he lined up against Milan in the final with 4-2-3-1 (right to left):

Van Der Sar

Reiziger
Blind
Rijkaard
F. de Boer

Seedorf
Davids

Finidi
Litmanen
Overmars

R. de Boer

I think he is looking to do something similar with our team, solid defence, physical centre mids with Schweinsteiger controlling the match and Schneiderlin winning the ball back and then supporting the offence, a second striker like Litmanen or Muller but obviously he doesn't have the player hence experimenting with Memphis and Januzaj so far, with Pedro out wide he might even try Mata there, he wants inverted wingers on the flanks and obviously a striker.

I don't think the typical creative player like Silva or Iniesta interests him too much as his 10, that is somebody who is excellent at defence splitting passes and picking out the runs, from his 10 he wants also the runs to be made into the space created by the intelligent off the ball movement of his striker, the ability to dribble through the centre driving forward and beating his man and this is possible because the wingers will start wide creating more space for the 10 only cutting inside when they have the ball or space has opened up to run into (mata operating as a false winger allows him to drift inside but that's because we don't have enough good wingers yet), and of course the ability to play good passes but it is near impossible to find somebody excellent in all those areas so realistically it would be somebody who is good at those things, somebody well rounded.
 
From what I have seen from Louis at Bayern (albeit on a very few occassions), at the world cup and with us so far: he is inherently a defensive coach inspite of all this talk of "attacking football". If we play two CM's sitting back, the full backs restricted in attack - we are essentially playing with six players with a defensive mindset and very little attacking input. The onus is on the four atacking players to produce the goods with little offensive help from the others. Against teams content to sit back and defend, these four attacking players will be overloaded and find it hard to break them down. Someone like Depay, or if we can get that "special player", will have to produce magical moments for us on a consistent basis.

I cannot write pages filled with words on philosophy or tactics but that is what I have noticed from his teams so far.

Yes, there will be games where we will score a couple of early goals, force the opposition to break from their mould and provide us more spaces to operate in, or there will be opposition who will not only sit back and want to attack us, but most games will see this slow, plodding football with very few chances and goals.

The hope is that this approach will allow us to win enough games to win trophies. If you are looking for weekend entertainment, then you'd be disappointed most of the time.

He scored 72 goals in 34 Bundesliga matches in his first season in charge for Bayern, the next season prior to his sacking his team scored 61 goals in 29 Bundesliga matches (then he was sacked) for purposes of comparison across 34 matches that is about 72 goals, Klopp in his four good seasons (so excluding last year's struggles and starting with their title win) Dortmund averaged about 77 goals.

I'd say he isn't attacking but he isn't defensive either, he uses possession as a means of defence the idea being if we have the ball the opposition can't score but to attack he uses a sudden change in tempo and switches play to the other flank a lot, if done quickly there is space to exploit but if the pass isn't spot on or the winger who receives the ball hesitates then that space to attack disappears as we keep seeing. He likes to have two wide inverted wingers, get the opposition onto one side of the pitch and suddenly switch play to Memphis or hopefully Pedro who can take on their man and attack the space on the other flank.

The defensive side of things he'll have down this season, we will be excellent at keeping the ball and also well organised without it, the attack depends on the attacking four and the support from the rest of the team, Schweinsteiger or Carrick will still play direct forward passes when the attackers find space, Schneiderlin as we have seen ventures into the final third if there is space to attack, the full backs will get high up to offer the overlap, Shaw has overlapped but Darmian hasn't so much (false winger is harder to overlap) and also the centre backs especially Blind as we have seen will dribble into the midfield line and play forward passes with one of the two DM's covering the defensive line for him.

I don't know if the attack will come together this season but if it does I'd expect a well balanced team not a defensive team.

In his first season at Barcelona he scored 78 goals in 38 with Real Madrid scoring 63 that season, in his second season he scored 87 with Real Madrid scoring 77, the following season he didn't win it and scored 70 goals, the champions Deportivo scored 66, Real Madrid managed 58.

Ferguson scored at United in 38 games from his first league win, 67, 80, 77, 73, 76, 73, 80, 97, 79, 87, 74, 64, 58, 72, 83, 80, 68, 86, 78, 89, 86.

That's an average of 77.5 goals (or median of 76) and in his last 10 seasons average of 76.4 goals, I think if LVG was here for 21 premier league seasons he'd probably have teams where it all came together and they scored 80+ but also like he is now in his building a team phase where he gets in the low 70s and drops into the 60s.

The dutch league isn't as good of a measure but in 34 matches he managed from his first season 83, 87, 86, 106, 83 and 55 goals being the league's highest scoring team each season except for his last where they were a flop.

I'd say as opposed to looking at it as 6 with a defensive mindset it's 6 players who support the 4 attacking players, Blind is expected to dribble with the ball into the space that's free ahead of him and play a forward pass for example, I wouldn't say he is defensive in possession of the ball, Shaw and Darmian to push right up to offer the overlap etc.

This season we are still building the attack so it will be more defensive but we should see signs of the attacking phase getting more fluid, more switches of play, sudden change in tempo whether it be the deep lying play makers pass or one of the three behind the striker running with the ball into space. And then next season I'd think as the quality of passes improve and the three behind the striker get into their groove taking players on it should be entertaining watching us play.
 
From what I have seen from Louis at Bayern (albeit on a very few occassions), at the world cup and with us so far: he is inherently a defensive coach inspite of all this talk of "attacking football". If we play two CM's sitting back, the full backs restricted in attack - we are essentially playing with six players with a defensive mindset and very little attacking input. The onus is on the four atacking players to produce the goods with little offensive help from the others. Against teams content to sit back and defend, these four attacking players will be overloaded and find it hard to break them down. Someone like Depay, or if we can get that "special player", will have to produce magical moments for us on a consistent basis.

I cannot write pages filled with words on philosophy or tactics but that is what I have noticed from his teams so far.

Yes, there will be games where we will score a couple of early goals, force the opposition to break from their mould and provide us more spaces to operate in, or there will be opposition who will not only sit back and want to attack us, but most games will see this slow, plodding football with very few chances and goals.

The hope is that this approach will allow us to win enough games to win trophies. If you are looking for weekend entertainment, then you'd be disappointed most of the time.

As Empire said already, he may not be an attacking coach/manager like Klopp or Bielsa, but he's well-balanced, and I'd prefer to watch a more balanced side as I have more appreciation for the defensive side of the game than most.

van Gaal's vision is such that it should ideally allow for perfect football to be played, and the only time I've seen his football come close to perfection is with Ajax with their players well-accustomed to total football. With us, however, it'll take some time for good football to arrive, and we've seen some promise last season with some nice attacking displays. This season, if van Gaal does get his way in the transfer window, we could move one step closer to his footballing vision.
 
He's won 7 league titles, but if he wins the Premier Legaue at united, he will have won a league title in four different countries - Holland, Spain, Germany and England if he wins the title in his time at United.

Back in LVG days you wouldn't be called a real man unless you've done that. They used to call it making the eight.
 
Thought he gave "the kids" a chance and yet all I see is us spending more money than anyone else for players.
Over the past 2 games United have had 2 20 year olds and a 21 year old starting and a 19 year old, a 20 year old and a 22 year old on the bench. There aren't many teams in any of the top leagues with as much youth in the first team squad especially teams who are trying to win the league. The young players who are good enough to be in or around the first team have been
 
The defensive side of things he'll have down this season, we will be excellent at keeping the ball and also well organised without it, the attack depends on the attacking four and the support from the rest of the team...

This I'm not so sure about, well specifically when we are pressed. I don't have confidence we will keep the ball well in defence, in midfield or up front. I feel LVG has the right mentality and approach to what he wants to achieve at a possession based team but the execution is lacking atm. It could be many reasons (LVG's instructions, players not performing or misinterpreting tactics etc) but I get a very strong sense of 'well we'll just improvise' in many facets of our game. It's not that I don't think our players are not good enough technically to get themselves out of getting pressed, I just don't think they have any familar pattern of plays that's been drilled into them in a) how not to get pressed (draw the players in but then move the ball quickly) b) how to react to it (before you see your team mate is even closed down, you make the triangular space for him) and c) how to recover from that (2-3 closest players in that vicinity should be busting a gut closing the space and potential areas of exploit).

I think the most important areas that don't seem to be addressed or have improved progressively are our very inconsistent pressing game, who are our main playmakers/ball players and how we mobilise (or don't rather) as a unit both defensively and offensively. Look at City against Chelsea, Silva was undoubtably their playmaker and he always got the ball at his feet with Sterling/Navas always running towards him to give him the angles. I can accept not being a good pressing team as that takes time but you can still press in twos and threes and quite simply the combinations of personnel available are not being selected.

A good pressing moment to me looks likes a bunch of hunting dogs chasing down a prey; it's relentless, ruthless and highly effective. However, that's not just defensively, it's offensively as well. I can understand it's physically draining but if we're gonna dominate most of the ball anyways, those moments would be less frequent but vitally still have to happen in those dangerous in-game situations i.e when a break of play occurs and the opposition is transitioning from having won or with the ball to attacking your team and likewise when we have the ball. Southampton and Swansea are great at this when they need to be compact against opposition they see fit to adapt their gameplan around.

We've seen that before in the April games but it always seem to be an occasion that ignited those moments (e.g big derby game, suddenly being on the ascendency, maybe tomo for Champions Leagues nights etc), it's never controlled moments of intensity. We don't have patterns of play where we can raise our level and in the modern game, to me specifically that is high speed athletic football (that's what separates your Walcotts from your Bales or your Schneiderlins to your Cattermoles).
 
This I'm not so sure about, well specifically when we are pressed. I don't have confidence we will keep the ball well in defence, in midfield or up front. I feel LVG has the right mentality and approach to what he wants to achieve at a possession based team but the execution is lacking atm. It could be many reasons (LVG's instructions, players not performing or misinterpreting tactics etc) but I get a very strong sense of 'well we'll just improvise' in many facets of our game. It's not that I don't think our players are not good enough technically to get themselves out of getting pressed, I just don't think they have any familar pattern of plays that's been drilled into them in a) how not to get pressed (draw the players in but then move the ball quickly) b) how to react to it (before you see your team mate is even closed down, you make the triangular space for him) and c) how to recover from that (2-3 closest players in that vicinity should be busting a gut closing the space and potential areas of exploit).

I think the most important areas that don't seem to be addressed or have improved progressively are our very inconsistent pressing game, who are our main playmakers/ball players and how we mobilise (or don't rather) as a unit both defensively and offensively. Look at City against Chelsea, Silva was undoubtably their playmaker and he always got the ball at his feet with Sterling/Navas always running towards him to give him the angles. I can accept not being a good pressing team as that takes time but you can still press in twos and threes and quite simply the combinations of personnel available are not being selected.

A good pressing moment to me looks likes a bunch of hunting dogs chasing down a prey; it's relentless, ruthless and highly effective. However, that's not just defensively, it's offensively as well. I can understand it's physically draining but if we're gonna dominate most of the ball anyways, those moments would be less frequent but vitally still have to happen in those dangerous in-game situations i.e when a break of play occurs and the opposition is transitioning from having won or with the ball to attacking your team and likewise when we have the ball. Southampton and Swansea are great at this when they need to be compact against opposition they see fit to adapt their gameplan around.

We've seen that before in the April games but it always seem to be an occasion that ignited those moments (e.g big derby game, suddenly being on the ascendency, maybe tomo for Champions Leagues nights etc), it's never controlled moments of intensity. We don't have patterns of play where we can raise our level and in the modern game, to me specifically that is high speed athletic football (that's what separates your Walcotts from your Bales or your Schneiderlins to your Cattermoles).

As you said we demonstrated near the end last season our ability but it was inconsistent, with more coaching we should improve, I'd expect this to be one of the areas Louis focuses on. He already said after the Spurs match we will work on our passing when pressed, considering we were inconsistent in this area last season i'm not surprised we are struggling when pressed only two matches into the season, it's expected, but so is improvement, the manager is a good teacher and the players are good too so as the games go by and the training sessions too, I'd expect our game to improve.
 
Anyone know how strikers have tended to perform under his management? As in, who have been the top scorers in his time at Bayern, Ajax and Barca, and how many did they score - on a season by season basis?

Just asking because it seems weird that all 3 of Van Persie, Falcao and now Rooney have gone from being fairly reliable in front of goal, to looking like they couldn't hit Frank Lampard's arse with a banjo.

Obviously age and/or injury is a likely factor with all three of them as well, but might be interesting to see the figures.

Have his forwards traditionally tended to score a lot of goals, or not?
 
Neville stating last night how impressed he is and how solid we look at the back, I agree. But interesting the few points he showed, and the detail that he picked up on. Encouraging stating that he thinks they are the best defensively drilled side in the league positioning wise.
 
Anyone know how strikers have tended to perform under his management? As in, who have been the top scorers in his time at Bayern, Ajax and Barca, and how many did they score - on a season by season basis?

Just asking because it seems weird that all 3 of Van Persie, Falcao and now Rooney have gone from being fairly reliable in front of goal, to looking like they couldn't hit Frank Lampard's arse with a banjo.

Obviously age and/or injury is a likely factor with all three of them as well, but might be interesting to see the figures.

Have his forwards traditionally tended to score a lot of goals, or not?

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/lvg-and-strikers.405618/
 
Neville stating last night how impressed he is and how solid we look at the back, I agree. But interesting the few points he showed, and the detail that he picked up on. Encouraging stating that he thinks they are the best defensively drilled side in the league positioning wise.
Any video of this? I love Nevilles punditry .
 
Maybe his aim was to sort defence and then work on attacking creativity etc once he thinks we are solid enough, which I would say now we are.

With regards to tactics how much do you think Giggs influences it? At all, or a bit? If so can you see anything he may be looking to do?

The players / wingers in particular are not remotely similar so his ''specialist'' knowledge must be hard to put forward. However I know coaching doesnt work like that i.e some coaches / managers who were defenders play attacking expansive styles etc. But when first coaching you must rely on where you have knowledge and experience some would assume.

Just wondering if he actually adds his input, or is just soaking in LVG's thoughts?
 
Maybe his aim was to sort defence and then work on attacking creativity etc once he thinks we are solid enough, which I would say now we are.

With regards to tactics how much do you think Giggs influences it? At all, or a bit? If so can you see anything he may be looking to do?

The players / wingers in particular are not remotely similar so his ''specialist'' knowledge must be hard to put forward. However I know coaching doesnt work like that i.e some coaches / managers who were defenders play attacking expansive styles etc. But when first coaching you must rely on where you have knowledge and experience some would assume.

Just wondering if he actually adds his input, or is just soaking in LVG's thoughts?
I think the Leicester game was a real eye opener for him. All out attack won't always work in England, you do need to be able to defend. Hard to really say regarding Giggs. Stuivenburg seems to have Meulensteen role, Giggs the Phelan role if you look back at the last regime of the Ferguson era. Not definitively saying Giggs does none of the coaching as nobody knows definitively what happens on the training ground.
 
Maybe his aim was to sort defence and then work on attacking creativity etc once he thinks we are solid enough, which I would say now we are.

With regards to tactics how much do you think Giggs influences it? At all, or a bit? If so can you see anything he may be looking to do?

The players / wingers in particular are not remotely similar so his ''specialist'' knowledge must be hard to put forward. However I know coaching doesnt work like that i.e some coaches / managers who were defenders play attacking expansive styles etc. But when first coaching you must rely on where you have knowledge and experience some would assume.

Just wondering if he actually adds his input, or is just soaking in LVG's thoughts?

I think you are right he wanted a solid base to build on.

I've been very critical of LVG in the past and I'm still to be convinced that style wise we will improve. However what's becoming a lot clearer to me is that any attractive football will only come once the foundations are set.

When you look at the players we have got, Memphis, Rooney, Mata, Schweinsteiger, Herrera and maybe now Pedro plus januzaj and Pereira we have exciting players. They aren't showing it right now but we've got to believe that it will.

Once the defence is settled and LVG can trust it a bit more maybe he'll loosen the reigns on some of the attacking players. Maybe in some games he will be more positive in midfield rather than being conservative?

Right now we do look better defensively but there's still improvements to be made. And to be fair Schneiderlin is still settling down. I guess to ask him to suddenly be the only DM would at this time be a huge ask.

I think the Leicester game was a real eye opener for him. All out attack won't always work in England

It's a great point and I do think he was stung badly in that Leicester game. Suddenly a team expected to be in a relegation dog fight not only come back on more than one occasion but put 5 past you! That's got to make any manager worried. These results can happen but MK Dons put 4 past us too.
 
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This I'm not so sure about, well specifically when we are pressed. I don't have confidence we will keep the ball well in defence, in midfield or up front. I feel LVG has the right mentality and approach to what he wants to achieve at a possession based team but the execution is lacking atm. It could be many reasons (LVG's instructions, players not performing or misinterpreting tactics etc) but I get a very strong sense of 'well we'll just improvise' in many facets of our game. It's not that I don't think our players are not good enough technically to get themselves out of getting pressed, I just don't think they have any familar pattern of plays that's been drilled into them in a) how not to get pressed (draw the players in but then move the ball quickly) b) how to react to it (before you see your team mate is even closed down, you make the triangular space for him) and c) how to recover from that (2-3 closest players in that vicinity should be busting a gut closing the space and potential areas of exploit).

I think the most important areas that don't seem to be addressed or have improved progressively are our very inconsistent pressing game, who are our main playmakers/ball players and how we mobilise (or don't rather) as a unit both defensively and offensively...We've seen that before in the April games but it always seem to be an occasion that ignited those moments (e.g big derby game, suddenly being on the ascendency, maybe tomo for Champions Leagues nights etc), it's never controlled moments of intensity. We don't have patterns of play where we can raise our level and in the modern game, to me specifically that is high speed athletic football (that's what separates your Walcotts from your Bales or your Schneiderlins to your Cattermoles).
I share these sentiments with you. However, I don't think that we don't go over these drills in training or, if we do, don't focus on them enough. I believe that we do go over them, but given the changes we have at our squad as well as the work the team seems to have done in our defensive organisation, the players don't seem to try to take up more of those passing triangles and even take risks in their positioning. It seems to me that the players still fear that they're too open and not secure enough at the back to play as I expect them to even though we've shown excellent defensive organisation since pre-season. It's as if, after so many years of playing a deeper line, our players are still feeling their way around with a high defensive line.

With regards to pressing, though, I wouldn't expect us to press like a hunting pack. van Gaal is an advocate of "provocative pressing" which is basically him trying to invite the opposition into certain areas to win the ball from or force long balls forward rather than push up and risk opening up spaces at the back. I would never expect him to set us up like a Bielsa, Klopp, or Guardiola/Cruyff team, defensively, but what I do expect us to do is to punish the opponents and execute quick transitions.
 
Brugge were so mightly naive. The book was out on us last season,sit deep and look to hit United on the counter, we still so vulnerable to that.
 
As you said we demonstrated near the end last season our ability but it was inconsistent, with more coaching we should improve, I'd expect this to be one of the areas Louis focuses on. He already said after the Spurs match we will work on our passing when pressed, considering we were inconsistent in this area last season i'm not surprised we are struggling when pressed only two matches into the season, it's expected, but so is improvement, the manager is a good teacher and the players are good too so as the games go by and the training sessions too, I'd expect our game to improve.

If he continues to play a Januzaj or Herrera as the third midfielder, we will better equiped with that technique and guile so I'm happy we will see some improvement there.

With regards to pressing, though, I wouldn't expect us to press like a hunting pack. van Gaal is an advocate of "provocative pressing" which is basically him trying to invite the opposition into certain areas to win the ball from or force long balls forward rather than push up and risk opening up spaces at the back. I would never expect him to set us up like a Bielsa, Klopp, or Guardiola/Cruyff team, defensively, but what I do expect us to do is to punish the opponents and execute quick transitions.

I guess we won't see the subtleties of the difference in his philosophy until it matures and my preference for a more pro-active mentality to ball winning is clouding my judgement of his approach. I just don't think there's a middle-ground controlled possession pressing that will work against the elite of Europe i.e against fast technical play; I don't want to see our team be reactive and disciplined, I want teams to fear our front foot mobility not our tactical adaptability.

It is still early days. To be fair, I think LVG is learning a lot himself, which is worrisome (because he's half hearted in the philisophy and tries to compensate rather than impose) as much as it is refreshing (because he's adapting to the players circumstances and growth).
 
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