He's one of the best characters there and Terry O'Quinn is an amazing actor as well!
Television Lost: The Final Season
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He's one of the best characters there and Terry O'Quinn is an amazing actor as well!
That's certainly the rational that the head writers used and it's true to a large extent but you also want to know the source or reason behind the whole shebang, they bookended all the characters wonderfully but forgot the Island was a character too.
Ultimately there would have been no answer that would please everyone, coming down on one side of faith or science and having a bare faced answer like aliens/god did it, would have been very underwhelming also. So they copped out and avoided it, they don't even know, it was clear they were making shit up as they went along, it worked as the show developed, it allowed a flexibility to pull the thread of stories but it's also screwed them in the end.
I used to read a blog that came out after every episode, he went into far to much detail, over analysing ever aspect of the show (like trying to find meaning in clear production errors, the time on the clock changing, isle numbers in the shopping centre changing between shots
) but I almost liked his version of the story more than was on screen.I hate that it ended at all, but I've grown to really like the ending that was and am now less bitter about want went unsaid or undone.
I think when they started doing time travel it was fair to assume there wasn't going to be an all encompassing answer.
The writers mugged me, mugged me of my time by pretending to be something it wasn't.
All of this Lost talk has got me thinking again. When I first watched it, I binged watched the whole show in less than 4 weeks. So not much time to think about the show and why things were happening and what exactly the show was trying to convey. Now that I have watched it once already, I feel I can get a better grip of it.
At least you enjoyed yourself whilst they did it..
True, and as good as the first 2 seasons was, the last was unforgivable.
I thought the three last were the best! Apart from the first obviously.
They had a great idea when they wrote it, got greedy and fecked it up. They put so much into it they literally couldn't finish it in any logical way,so went all "Dynasty" on it. fecking years I put into this series and they treated me like a fecking moron.
Definitely see where you're coming from. Everyone took from it what they wanted. Everyone watched it for different reasons.
Agreed with that and especially the blogThat's certainly the rational that the head writers used and it's true to a large extent but you also want to know the source or reason behind the whole shebang, they bookended all the characters wonderfully but forgot the Island was a character too.
Ultimately there would have been no answer that would please everyone, coming down on one side of faith or science and having a bare faced answer like aliens/god did it, would have been very underwhelming also. So they copped out and avoided it, they don't even know, it was clear they were making shit up as they went along, it worked as the show developed, it allowed a flexibility to pull the thread of stories but it's also screwed them in the end.
I used to read a blog that came out after every episode, he went into far to much detail, over analysing ever aspect of the show (like trying to find meaning in clear production errors, the time on the clock changing, isle numbers in the shopping centre changing between shots
I hate that it ended at all, but I've grown to really like the ending that was and am now less bitter about want went unsaid or undone.
I truly believe that the writers had a problem after the second season.
The problem was that everyone clocked on that they were already dead and that the island was purgatory.
The writers were like "uh no... they're... LOOK OVER THERE ANOTHER MYSTERY" and went to work on trying to fit all the pieces together.
In the end no matter how you look at it, the ending is essentially what we all thought the show was about. They just happened to throw a heap of obstacles in the way to deflect the attention.
The reason I wasn't disappointed at all with the ending was because there were no mysteries left that I really needed/wanted to know. Why is the island magic? What is the source of the mother? What's the deal with Walt? Those weren't really that important to me, not at the time and not now. I guess others needed to know, which is a good reason to be frustrated about it, I just wasn't one of them.
The island wasn't purgatory.Agreed with that and especially the blog
I truly believe that the writers had a problem after the second season.
The problem was that everyone clocked on that they were already dead and that the island was purgatory.
The writers were like "uh no... they're... LOOK OVER THERE ANOTHER MYSTERY" and went to work on trying to fit all the pieces together.
In the end no matter how you look at it, the ending is essentially what we all thought the show was about. They just happened to throw a heap of obstacles in the way to deflect the attention.
Agreed with that and especially the blog
I truly believe that the writers had a problem after the second season.
The problem was that everyone clocked on that they were already dead and that the island was purgatory.
The writers were like "uh no... they're... LOOK OVER THERE ANOTHER MYSTERY" and went to work on trying to fit all the pieces together.
In the end no matter how you look at it, the ending is essentially what we all thought the show was about. They just happened to throw a heap of obstacles in the way to deflect the attention.
They were not dead and the island was not purgatory. What happened on the island really happened. The flash sideways, however, showed the characters in "purgatory" and that they had to find each other in order to remember the life that they had lived and then move on together.
How the hell wasn't the island purgatory?
Christ. I know Lost wasn't the easiest show to comprehend but the island was not fecking purgatory.
It's been a long while since I watched it (binged when it was still on Netflix) so I can't actually remember well but I was sure it was.
It's fairly obvious that was their initial idea though before they got rumbled. That's why they tacked it on at the end.
That's not obvious at all!
Edit: They knew their final air date three years in advance. So plenty of time to sort out their storylines, it wasn't hashed together in a days work. Certainly not at the end.
It was. You only have to watch it to realise they hadn't a clue beyond the idea of purgatory. Three years to come up with their ending and they still ended up making most of it pointless.
No, I don't think that was the idea. How was it pointless? I think you have to watch LOST for what it is. The ending wasn't the huge reveal that many hoped for, but I thought - in perspective - that it was beautifully done.
Guys. You misunderstand.
I'm not saying that the island was purgatory.
I understand the ending. Read my previous posts.
I'm saying that it seems their initial idea was that the island was purgatory.
After the second season people were calling it out. Lots of rumours that the writers suddenly had to change their game plan and figure out a new path.
That's what I'm saying.
Pretty sure they didnt anticipate the levels of sucess and they kept having to find ways of elongating the plot to fill more episodes. thats why the first season was so fecking good and clear, then it just gets diluted with more and more narrative devices. to this day i still dont have a fecking clue what happened in the show.
Yeah I caught on when I read the rest of your post a bit later. My bad.
It really was. That's why they ended up using it anyway. That's why they had all the religious mumbo jumbo. I did watch it for what it was. It was a TV show that trying to write a deeply mysterious story. It failed. I still liked it but they were guilty of some very sloppy writing.
It was pointless because they built up this idea that these people were special. The numbers were crucial. They were specifically chosen. In the end anyone could have taken over the island and replaced Jacob.
But why were they given such a huge budget? That pilot episode man. I remember at the time hearing that the amount spent on the pilot alone was kinda unheard of for a TV series.
Using what anyway? The sideways purgatory you mean?
Well, the people were special - to each other. That is why they had to meet up in purgatory to be able to move on together. I respect that some might not be too fond of the ending, that's fair! But to me LOST was never about the mysteries etc it was about these characters trying to survive together and the island and everything was a tool to tell that story. I still don't think the original idea was that they were dead and the island was purgatory though - I would have to see quotes for that!
Think it's because jj abrams was attached to it.
Yes.
That's maybe what it was to you but if Lost had have been a show about an advertising firm instead of a mysterious island where weird things happen it wouldn't have got past the first season. When people talked about Lost they weren't talking about what a lovely couple Bernard and Rose were.
Fair play
I'm still very happy about how it turned out and it remains my all time favorite show. I'm certain that other TV shows have tried to reveal everything at the end and ending up cocking it up.
I remember when Ben let Alex die, my jaw actually dropped.
Hated that bug-eyed prick.
Hated that bug-eyed prick.
Absolutely although i dont like how he kinda just faded into a meek little man by the end.A cnut he was
Very fascinating character though.
Ben Linus (and Michael Emerson who played him) was superb. So creepy.
That's certainly the rational that the head writers used and it's true to a large extent but you also want to know the source or reason behind the whole shebang, they bookended all the characters wonderfully but forgot the Island was a character too.
Ultimately there would have been no answer that would please everyone, coming down on one side of faith or science and having a bare faced answer like aliens/god did it, would have been very underwhelming also. So they copped out and avoided it, they don't even know, it was clear they were making shit up as they went along, it worked as the show developed, it allowed a flexibility to pull the thread of stories but it's also screwed them in the end.
I used to read a blog that came out after every episode, he went into far to much detail, over analysing ever aspect of the show (like trying to find meaning in clear production errors, the time on the clock changing, isle numbers in the shopping centre changing between shots
I hate that it ended at all, but I've grown to really like the ending that was and am now less bitter about want went unsaid or undone.
I remember the blog. Lost and gone forever wasn't it called?
I thought the whole reason they did that ending was that you CAN interpret it that they were in purgatory the WHOLE TIME.
Not just the last season in the flash-sideways scenes. If you want to, you can interpret it that they were always in purgatory. Obviously they were in purgatory during the flash sideways scenes as it as-good-as said it, but they left it open to interpretation whether they were the rest of the time.
There is nothing to stop you thinking of it that way.
Edit: At least, that's what the writers said to that american presenter guy
Apart from when Jack's dad said that some died before him and some long after him. If the whole thing was purgatory then they all died at the same time.
Its all rather confusing and vague. The writers mentioned is up to your interpretation of to decide.
As if what you want in a TV show is a pick your own adventure