Television Lost: The Final Season

Xander45 said:
There are a lot of questions still open to debate, and that's what is annoying people (myself included). As someone else put it "It turns out it's been a six year soap opera with the clever mysteries a by-product to keep you watching."

I heard somewhere that on the DVD they will answer some of the questions, although that could just be a ploy to get people to buy it!
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20 mins of some additional footage apparently.

I have no problem with leaving something with an ambiguous or multiple interpretations.The ending was anything but complex or philosophical. Only the mechanics of it were open to debate.

It is actually very funny. They constantly dodged questions by saying you never know answer to life's big questions. Then they went ahead and answered one of the biggest questions about humanity's existence and lifespan in definite terms.
 
crappycraperson said:
I agree with you there GB but

4 toed statue does not have to be explained since creators never brought the people who made it directly in the plot. They did use that as a wow factor though so it is a not surprise that some people are fixated on it. Still I will give writers a pass on it.

Other things though-

Dharma food drop. Dharma were very much a part of the show so this had to be explained.

Outrigger shout out. Again concerned some of the main characters.

A lot of questions around Others. If they had not kept Ben around for so long, I may have been ok with them not being answered.
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Agreed, I don't want everything spoon fed to me like a 2 year old, but a lot of things lack explanation and I'm not talking about purely minimal stuff.
 
Yeah with the fooddrops you'd think a company big enough to ship crates of food to an island in the middle of the ocean would realise something was up when they hadn't received word back from their employees for several years.

"Still not heard back from the island team."
"Ah, just drop off another crate of stuff they're fine."
 
as trivial ending as you can get.. fitting though, wrapped up the series nicely and confirmed officially that I've wasted my time, basically
 
Anyone else getting irritated by people who stopped watching the show four series' ago demanding to know what happened in the finale? After calling me a geek for continuing to watch it they can feck off, and even if i was being nice how can you explain it all without explaining everything that they've missed?
 
downxandxout said:
Anyone else getting irritated by people who stopped watching the show four series' ago demanding to know what happened in the finale? After calling me a geek for continuing to watch it they can feck off, and even if i was being nice how can you explain it all without explaining everything that they've missed?
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:lol: Ive had that from a few people at work.

"So I dont watch it, or only watched an episode here and there but heard the finale was on. Tell me what happened"

Yeah, sure. Even if you even try and explain it, it will just go over their head or they will say something like "well im glad i didnt watch that" lol.
 
Could someone help ease my confusion please.

So FSU was like a sort of purgatory. Where once they all meet together they can go to heaven or something like that, right? So that means the entire time we saw them in FSU they were all dead, after the events on the island.

Does that mean everyone else in FSU was also dead? Like Jack's son or the other random characters we saw? What about the people like Faraday and Eloise whom we didn't see at the Church? Were they dead as well?

Regarding Ben staying back, isn't he dead as well? What sort of satisfaction would a person get living his life knowing he's actually dead?

So the entire point of FSU was to allow our characters to get a happy ending?
 
:lol: Quite possibly.

Although i think that Ben still feels he hasn't earnt the right to pass on yet. Jack's son i now think, after reading other views, was made up by Jack so he could be the father his dad wasn't.

Eloise seemed to know something but wouldn't let on, Faraday had a flash of his past, writing his notebook, so i think we can take it he's dead too.

Another thing, how come it took near death experiences to give people their memories originally, Charlie choking on heroine, Desmond nearly drowning, Locke being run over, yet in the final episode any form of contact made them remember everything in record time?
 
Xander45 said:
:lol: Quite possibly.

Although i think that Ben still feels he hasn't earnt the right to pass on yet. Jack's son i now think, after reading other views, was made up by Jack so he could be the father his dad wasn't.
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So why in purgatory was he married to Juliet - and by the same token, she to him.

Doesn't say much for either of them, does it!

The Jack/Juliet thing seemed totally unnecessary.
 
I agree Livvie, they could have just had his ex be his actual ex from the earlier seasons. Seeing as he managed to form a child from his brain surely he could muster up his ex-wife.
 
Xander45 said:
:lol: Quite possibly.

Although i think that Ben still feels he hasn't earnt the right to pass on yet. Jack's son i now think, after reading other views, was made up by Jack so he could be the father his dad wasn't.

Eloise seemed to know something but wouldn't let on, Faraday had a flash of his past, writing his notebook, so i think we can take it he's dead too.

Another thing, how come it took near death experiences to give people their memories originally, Charlie choking on heroine, Desmond nearly drowning, Locke being run over, yet in the final episode any form of contact made them remember everything in record time?
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Desmond remembered when he saw Charlie drowning i believe, not because he himself was drowning.

Would i be right in saying Locke didn't remember after he was hit by the car? I think that was just so Locke and Jack could meet again.

As for Charlie, i can't really remember, but i'm sure he probably had a similar near death experience on the island. Maybe when he was found hanging and he was revived.

Although i agree that the "memories" in the finale did seem a bit rushed in comparison. Especially Jin, who just randomly seemed to remember because Sun happened to remember.
 
Woodzy said:
Desmond remembered when he saw Charlie drowning i believe, not because he himself was drowning.

Would i be right in saying Locke didn't remember after he was hit by the car? I think that was just so Locke and Jack could meet again.

As for Charlie, i can't really remember, but i'm sure he probably had a similar near death experience on the island. Maybe when he was found hanging and he was revived.

Although i agree that the "memories" in the finale did seem a bit rushed in comparison. Especially Jin, who just randomly seemed to remember because Sun happened to remember.
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But at the very least they were quite profound moments. Kate's was alright reliving the birth of Aaron, as was Sun seeing the scan, but Juliet and Sawyer touching hands for a second and then suddenly getting dirty by a vending machine was ridiculous. You've just remembered your own death, at least in Ashes to Ashes they didn't seem to take it too well.
 
I can't believe they went with the same ending as

Ashes to Ashes! I was waiting for both these Finales for 4 and 5 years respectively and they end up with the same fkn one! What a cop out
 
What a gigantic waste of time.

what happened to the balance between good & evil? With MIB gone there was no dark force and it can't be Ben because Hurley said he was a good no. 2.

How did smokey get created? MIB falls down the hole and becomes smoky yet Des goes down and finds a lovely grotto with a plug in a pond. Who's skeleton was down there?

An interesting nugget in the pre-show was that the Ben character was originally only intended for three episodes but they extended it after it turned out well.

Funny how Kate & Sawyer were rushing to get to the plane but thought it better to anchor the boat safely rather than run it aground on the beach. I guess a final tropical swim was more important than escaping.

What was the point of Charles Widmore again?

I'd say about 3 seasons were completely fecking pointless.
 
I can't believe people are spoiling the ending to Ashes to Ashes.
 
Livvie said:
So why in purgatory was he married to Juliet - and by the same token, she to him.

Doesn't say much for either of them, does it!

The Jack/Juliet thing seemed totally unnecessary.
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I am afraid that was just a plot device used to confuse people. Everything in that "universe" was, they had a brilliant cop out as well since they do not have to explain anything given the nature of that place. The mechanics of it all do not make much sense if any at all.
 
kietotheworld said:
I can't believe they went with the same ending as

Ashes to Ashes! I was waiting for both these Finales for 4 and 5 years respectively and they end up with the same fkn one! What a cop out
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They hardly "went with the same ending".

Almost certainly coincidence.
 
So everything was his fecking dream?Someone explain to what the hell just happened, oh and I gave up in mid season 4, Okay I am officially lost!
 
It is more than likely a conincidence, but it is odd how two shows that i've watched from the start and really got in to finish over the same weekend with quite similar endings.
 
Redrage said:
So everything was his fecking dream?Someone explain to what the hell just happened, oh and I gave up in mid season 4, Okay I am officially lost!
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During this season there have been two storylines involving the same characters. One on the island (which we now know was the real world and what was happening now, as it where) and one off the island (which we now know was some sort of limbo for restless souls). Everything that happened on the island was real, Jack died saving the island, Kate/Claire/Alpert/Miles/Sawyer leave the island and live their lives out wherever, Hurley and Ben stay to protect the island.

In limbo-land Desmond is going around making people remember their lives so they can let go and move on. They all meet up in a church where Christian Shephard plays the role of... well christian shephard and leads them into the light and whatever the hell you want to believe that is.
 
Alright thanks Xander45. It doesn't really make much sense, but this never did. Which is probably why I gave up.
Just saw bits and pieces and that time travel thing just put me off big time.
 
Xander45 said:
It is more than likely a conincidence, but it is odd how two shows that i've watched from the start and really got in to finish over the same weekend with quite similar endings.
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And The Prisoner ended this weekend as well.

Thank God.
 
Can you cnuts keep Ashes to Ashes stuff in the other thread please? I'm only part way in to series 3 here on BBC America.
 
Someone please explain -

  • What were Dharma twats doing there all that time? Who invited them? And the people in the 40s/70s who the "candidates" met during the time travel, what were they doing there?
  • Charles Widtwat wanted to rule the island in the earlier episodes, sending mercenaries to the island to kill The Original Others (led by Ben), and in this season he was trying to help Jacob. What changed?
  • Who were the new "Others" (John and Yoko) that we saw earlier in this season?
  • Where'd Jacob's and Smokey's fake mom come to the island from?
  • What the feck was the light?

And most importantly -
If Dharma Initiative geeks could just hop on a submarine and go out, why couldn't Smokey? And why'd he show his face and his intentions in this season, was he sitting with his thumbs up his ass till now?
Meh, the creators lost the plot after season 3, they were just pulling things out of their asses and then created a huge puzzle which they themselves couldn't solve. This show had potential, but it got ruined. Definitely my top 15 though, it had some good moments (for example the first two episodes).
 
Uncle Junior said:
Someone please explain -

  • What were Dharma twats doing there all that time? Who invited them? And the people in the 40s/70s who the "candidates" met during the time travel, what were they doing there?
  • Charles Widtwat wanted to rule the island in the earlier episodes, sending mercenaries to the island to kill The Original Others (led by Ben), and in this season he was trying to help Jacob. What changed?
  • Who were the new "Others" (John and Yoko) that we saw earlier in this season?
  • Where'd Jacob's and Smokey's fake mom come to the island from?
  • What the feck was the light?

And most importantly -
If Dharma Initiative geeks could just hop on a submarine and go out, why couldn't Smokey? And why'd he show his face and his intentions in this season, was he sitting with his up his ass till now?
Meh, the creators lost the plot after season 3, they were just pulling things out of their asses and then created a huge puzzle which they themselves couldn't solve. This show had potential, but it got ruined. Definitely my top 15 though, it had some good moments (for example the first two episodes).
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- Dharma were conducting experiments on the island and trying to take advantage of its unique abilities. The people they saw in the 50's were an earlier set of others with teenager Widmore and Eloise
- The possibility of Smokey getting off the island.
- Others who stayed at the temple.
- We dont know.
- Electromagnetism.
- Part of "The Rules" probably.
 
My thoughts

The more I think about it, the more I love that ending. They made it about the characters, the relationships they created on that island and the experiences they shared together. To me that means more than any 'mystery' or finding out why a friggin' food drop landed on the island. Yes there are plot holes, there are in any show, especially one as complicated as Lost, but the reason I became engrossed by this show was because of the connections between the characters in the earlier seasons. All the reunions were wonderfully done I thought, it was great seeing old faces and as I said the more I think about it the more I like the ending. I hate that it's ended but the way they did it was quite, beautiful... for risk of sounding like a big gayer.

Leaving aside the whole 'place they made for each other' thing. In terms of on-island some of it was epic. Anybody else see Jack's uber punch that never actually materialized? He was flying through the air about to punch Locke then suddenly he just jumped on him. As soon as Jack said to his dad 'I died.." I knew he would stumble back to the bambo, and from then I knew the final scene would be his eye closing. The exact opposite of the opening scene and it makes sense really. I don't know why I didn't see it coming. The plane flying over as well so he knows he got them off, makes me sad :(

Overall it's been an amazing show that I've loved since Jack first opened his eyes til he closed them. It's easily my favourite show and I don't think it'll ever be topped. There's just something about it.
 
Aye its been growing on me aswell.

I actualy predicted the eye closing as the final scene a few days ago when I saw an interview with Fox repeatedly talking about a final "image" rather than scene....he just made it really obvious
 
Solius said:
My thoughts

The more I think about it, the more I love that ending. They made it about the characters, the relationships they created on that island and the experiences they shared together. To me that means more than any 'mystery' or finding out why a friggin' food drop landed on the island. Yes there are plot holes, there are in any show, especially one as complicated as Lost, but the reason I became engrossed by this show was because of the connections between the characters in the earlier seasons. All the reunions were wonderfully done I thought, it was great seeing old faces and as I said the more I think about it the more I like the ending. I hate that it's ended but the way they did it was quite, beautiful... for risk of sounding like a big gayer.

Leaving aside the whole 'place they made for each other' thing. In terms of on-island some of it was epic. Anybody else see Jack's uber punch that never actually materialized? He was flying through the air about to punch Locke then suddenly he just jumped on him. As soon as Jack said to his dad 'I died.." I knew he would stumble back to the bambo, and from then I knew the final scene would be his eye closing. The exact opposite of the opening scene and it makes sense really. I don't know why I didn't see it coming. The plane flying over as well so he knows he got them off, makes me sad :(

Overall it's been an amazing show that I've loved since Jack first opened his eyes til he closed them. It's easily my favourite show and I don't think it'll ever be topped. There's just something about it.
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I agree 100 % ! Screw the food drops :lol: It really was about the characters, at least for me.
 
So at the end of the day, this cnut called Jacob brings all these people to the island, all of them die, and yet Smokie, who just wants to leave, is the bad guy. And he dies too. And Jacob dies too. :s
 
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Solius said:
There is no way Richard is dead. Why do people keep thinking this is fact? Locke just wanted him out of the way so he could talk to Ben alone.
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Booyah.

Solius said:
Does anybody else think Desmond might have to go inside that cave of light? Or whatever is in there now
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Booyah.

Solius said:
I have no idea how they'll tie in the alternate timeline, but I'd probably have it with everyone getting off the island except Jack, who stays to help them escape/be the new Jacob. Would end with Claire, Hurley, Sawyer etc.. getting off and Jack stuck on the island with MIB. Obviously the details are sketchy, not sure about Desmond for instance, I can see him needing to die but I just can't accept that :lol:
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Close enough. :p

Solius said:
Ok my willpower is rubbish, but I had to come back in just to say

:(:(:(:( Sayid, Jin & Sun! Did not see that many deaths coming. I still have hope for Frank, we just saw him get hit by the door, if he would have died I think he'd have had an on-screen death like the others.

Gutted
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Booyah.

Though with regards to Frank

Nobody took the time to kinda go "Uhh..you're fecking alive?! Miles didn't even ask why he was floating in the middle of the sea :lol:
 
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