You're assuming that scene was the same event as this. He said it's happened many times before.
Television Lost: The Final Season
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What's the point of this "use spoilers for the last episode until it's aired in the UK" if people also use the spoilers for stuff that hasn't happened yet and is from outside of the actual show, without any warning?
But it was the same reality. Also it coule be that the beach scene could actually be from the flashsideways timeline where things unfolded differently!
One thing I've never got is why
Ben was able to contact Smokey in S4, first to unleash him on Keamy and co, and secondly (in S5) to be 'judged'. At that point Ben was affiliated to Jacob, but Jacob clearly wants everyone to be protected from Smokey.
Smokey needed Ben alive to complete his plan to kill Jacob. That's why he came to protect him at the Barracks and that's why he told him to follow Locke as Alex.
There's a lot of discussion on LOST boards regarding this as well ... One answer is that a tidal wave carrying a large ship with it could easily have broken the statue, but you would think that the ship itself would be pretty much obilterated by the collision, but the BR does pretty well in its case. I don't really care too much for it though - I'm willing to go along and wait for the bigger reveals then to spend time speculating how a ship could have destroyed the statue. Don't you think? It was a convenient way to answer two pending questions - 1) How did the Tawaret statue break and 2) How did the ship land so far inland?
Also, about the fact that the conversation in season 5 finale had 'a ship' .. there can be no confirmation that it was the Black Rock. Even if we are to assume that it is the Black Rock ... Jacob only mentions that he summoned the ship(during the day - clear weather). It could well have been Smokie that caused the Tsunami/Tidal Wave(later that night) to cause the ship to break the statue. Seems like something smokie would do. Because why the heck would Jacob want to break his own statue?
I do not understand this kind of attitude. The whole point of how having answers to show's mysteries is to have plausible ones.
A tidal wave could easily destroy the statue, though it is a bit shit how the Black Rock came out relitively unscathed
Was a decent episode
A few things I didn't like
- This new side to Jacob, I much preferred to think of him as being very controlled, calm and always knowing what was going on. That is how he has come across so far, he just seems to know everything. How come he didn't know what Richard's name was, he didn't know about his wife, also took him a little while to figure out it was the MiB who sent him off to kill him when supposedly only a few days/weeks earlier he had told him to his face he intended to kill him. That scene would of been much more epic if like when Ben came he offered Richard a choice, he could of bought up how he wasn't a murderer and what his wife would think, instead he battered the sense into him. Or even if after doing that he could of told him all along he knew what his name was etc but needed to convince him and that was the only way. I just think that scene could of been done a lot better. Or maybe they could of showed he was angry at the statue getting smashed hence why he was pissed off. Kinda sneaky that MiB kinda knew all along that Jacob lived there and still got Richard to march his lot there and even looked surprised to see he lived there.
- Statue thing I suppose this was the easiest way to explain it, I think the ship did hit the top of the statue hence maybe why it wasn't damaged that badly and hitting the tip of the statue with enough force could break it at the bottom. Would be cool to find out who made, it would be interesting if it was MiB and Jacob back in the day when they were cool with each other lol. Also would of been cool to see just how Jacob bought them to the Island, is it the Lighthouse he uses for that or can he just summon things in?
- The whole explanation of him bringing people in to prove MiB wrong is kinda weak as well. Should of added more depth to that but I suppose we could find out in a later episode so maybe they are saving that. Maybe that is the way MiB will be released once he finally realises?
- This new side to Jacob, I much preferred to think of him as being very controlled, calm and always knowing what was going on. That is how he has come across so far, he just seems to know everything. How come he didn't know what Richard's name was, he didn't know about his wife, also took him a little while to figure out it was the MiB who sent him off to kill him when supposedly only a few days/weeks earlier he had told him to his face he intended to kill him. That scene would of been much more epic if like when Ben came he offered Richard a choice, he could of bought up how he wasn't a murderer and what his wife would think, instead he battered the sense into him. Or even if after doing that he could of told him all along he knew what his name was etc but needed to convince him and that was the only way. I just think that scene could of been done a lot better. Or maybe they could of showed he was angry at the statue getting smashed hence why he was pissed off. Kinda sneaky that MiB kinda knew all along that Jacob lived there and still got Richard to march his lot there and even looked surprised to see he lived there.
- Statue thing I suppose this was the easiest way to explain it, I think the ship did hit the top of the statue hence maybe why it wasn't damaged that badly and hitting the tip of the statue with enough force could break it at the bottom. Would be cool to find out who made, it would be interesting if it was MiB and Jacob back in the day when they were cool with each other lol. Also would of been cool to see just how Jacob bought them to the Island, is it the Lighthouse he uses for that or can he just summon things in?
- The whole explanation of him bringing people in to prove MiB wrong is kinda weak as well. Should of added more depth to that but I suppose we could find out in a later episode so maybe they are saving that. Maybe that is the way MiB will be released once he finally realises?
Lindelof has confirmed that the statue had already been weakened due to various erosive processes that took place on the island. He specifically mentioned torrential rain and a warmer version of freeze-thaw weathering (hot during day -> epands, cold at night -> contracts), but others such as the salt-sea breeze would probably have had an effect.
There.
There.
Hmm. I've been thinking about this since it happened, but now I pose the question to you guys.
If I'm not mistaken, Isabella disappeared before Hurley told Richard that he needed to stop the Man in Black. Therefore we see no indication of whether she really wanted him to stop MiB or not. She was there to tell Richard everything else through Hurley but didn't bother to mention what she wanted him to do before disappearing. We're supposed to believe that Hurley talked to her before and that's what she told him to tell Richard. But the way Hurley hesitated when he gave those instructions makes me wonder whether she really gave them to him or whether he made it up to keep Richard from leaving or even whether Jacob told him to tell Richard that. I just don't know. Am I crazy or could I be on to something?
He was talking to Isabella near the start of the ep when he was talking Spanish to "himself" and Jack thought he was talking to Jacob, thats probably when she said it.
Yeah I'm convinced he was talking to her during that scene, but I'm just not convinced that that's what she told him.
cant wait for the jacob & smokey centric epidode...if there's one. it'll be a fecking farce if both of them dont get separate centric episodes.
Hopefully we'll finally get confirmation that he's all the dead people appearing on the island, at least until now. It's pretty much obvious already, but it would be nice to get some confirmation.
^ its been practically confirmed
I think they both get one episode - Episode 15 - 'Across the Sea' - Jacob and MIB Centric. Atleast that is what wikipedia says
Does that mean that smokey could also be the jacob apparition that Hurley is talking to?
I don't think anything is clear cut and I'm expecting everything to get turned on its head at least once more...
...and use spoilers!
Why? There's nothing new in that.
I changed it though.
I changed it though.
I doubt that, considering he pretty much saved Hurley and Jack from Smokey.
Also, "apparently" he could no longer change out of the shape he had taken, Locke, but then what was going on when he changed into Alex to goad Ben to kill Jacob? Seems like just more lies.
But still, can't see him being Dead Jacob.
maybe he can't change form after jacob died ?
That's a good point. Considering they sort of balance each other out - or at least Jacob balances Smokey - it would make sense.
Who can't change form after Jacob died?
Smokey
How so, don't we see him change from Locke to Smokey when he wiped out the temple?
He can change back into the smoke yeah but in terms of appearing to people as a person who can communicate, etc.. he is stuck as Locke.
Right I gotcha.
I'm right here
Since i can see you..does that mean im hurley ?
Can I be Ben?
no reason..
no reason..
Can I be Desmond then, brother?
I'll be Sawyer, he got to mack Kate, Ana Lucia & Juliet 
I say every Lost-thread regular pick one character, and then in this thread we stick to our characters.
Just to make this thread even more geeky
Just to make this thread even more geeky
The last 5 minutes or so were just spectacular.
I say every Lost-thread regular pick one character, and then in this thread we stick to our characters.
Just to make this thread even more geeky
I'll be Desmond brotha
I'll be Kate so I can take photos of myself and PM them to you lot.
Tibs has dibs on desmond.
I want to be Kate!
Lies.