If you believe she is a moron then how is anything she says of consequence?
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If you believe she is a moron then how is anything she says of consequence?
You realize that I've not called her a moron, right?
CarolinaRed said more or less the same thing and I addressed him in post #273
Seriously, why do you insist on doing this? He's just made a very god point, and you are trying to swerve it. You seem to do that a lot.
So much for being so open minded and prepared to be wrong eh?
You don't think she's a moron?
Search the thread if you don't believe me...
He's got you confused with pseudo.
But he's running with it.
Firstly, I'm a he. Secondly I don't agree that racism is over. Thirdly, don't call people names just because they don't agree with you.
Wait what!? I thought I saw you post in a thread about being a she... or had someone in that thread thought you were a she and then you set them straight?
Dammit
No he didn't. He talked about the original source of your grievance which was a little weirdly fixated on her and not her point, but I think mostly he's still in the thread (judging by his quoting me every 2 minutes) to find out whether I agree with her which is irrelevant.
Yes, I have never stated you're male and wasn't directly insulting you either if you just read what I wrote.
How is it irrelevant? You were also the one who told someone to answer a question either yes or no because apparantly there can't be a middle ground. So stop dodging the question and answer it.
Do you agree with what she said?
Looking at some statistics from my university white students make up about 54% of the student population, the next largest is Asian, then Chinese, then Black. It seemed like there was less white people on my course, although granted I can't claim to have sat there and tried to count people by their ethnicity. but I can't seem to find any kind of breakdown by course publicly available, and even then it could have changed, I graduated in 12-13.
Just so we are clear...
I do not condone or agree with saying that all white people are responsible for racial violence.
Nor do I condone or agree with saying that all non-white people are responsible for racial violence.
(See how easy that is)
I do not condone or agree with saying that all white people are responsible for racial violence.
Nor do I condone or agree with saying that all non-white people are responsible for racial violence.
(See how easy that is)
You're so wrapped up in your own dogma though. You even went so far to suggest that the HR person in question might have benefited through 'positive discrimination'. (My phrase not yours)
My only point was that in some parts of the world, we're so far past the finish line that we haven't readjusted.
To reiterate: If a black woman accessing whether a white male recruiting two Chinese males and a Malaysian female meets diversity criteria isn't an absolute indication that that battle has been won, I don't know what is. There are loads more to win, but that one there, in that place is settled.
The link was that I, as one single example white male, living that existence, cannot possibly be thrown in with "All white people should acknowledge that they are historical oppressors". It's nutty.
Just one question;
- Do you truly believe that I have to acknowledge anything that some other group of white people did to oppress some other group of people somewhere that I've never been? Is that essential or important to you?
Wait what!? I thought I saw you post in a thread about being a she... or had someone in that thread thought you were a she and then you set them straight?
Dammit
No idea!Either you're calling me an idiot, @UnrelatedPsuedo an idiot, or as I interpreted, both.
My apologies then
Mr "I admit when I'm wrong" is clear as day calling at least one of you an idiot there!And I condone this.
I also later qualified 'Moron' with;
"I used moron loosely. She's an oddball. I actually stand behind and endorse many of the things that she's said elsewhere at other times"
My actual stance is more like "She said some moronic things this time but she's not 100% moron"
I'm so hoping you've somehow managed to confuse 2MM with villain. Just for the surreal nature of such.Wait what!? I thought I saw you post in a thread about being a she... or had someone in that thread thought you were a she and then you set them straight?
Dammit
I think that it may be me. But I think I was also labelled female for a page or two.
The daily struggles of a white male. The things I struggle with...
Tbf, I'm sure she isn't a complete idiot, she seems to come across reasonably well at times. She even does raise a good point here that people do forget white priviledge is still a huge issue in places.
It's the clear racism that makes her a fool in this case and what she was rightly sacked for. What confuses me is both how that part can be defended by people claiming to want racism wiped out, and why she herself can't just see the error of what she said and apologise.
It all just hurts the fight in a way. And let's be honest, if the whole lot of us and this woman had this conversation down the pub, we'd all be on the same side of the fight against racism. It's just unfortunate some people can't see the point in why this is actually racist in the first place!
Yeah it's bizarre to claim otherwise. Although in making his comment so blatantly, then claiming that isn't what he meant at all, it is oddly appropriate for the thread.
Fecking Moron was on the tv discussing this earlier. A good time to be alive.
Possibly. I don't know anymore.Nah, I called 2 Man Midfield a woman. Sorry for the confusion!
Ah whitey problems. I know them well.
Still, considering I'm now realising I'm actually violently racist, I'm going to go punch my black neighbour.
Well I would if he wasn't such a huge lump and gives me some rather excellent whiskey!
Edit: feck it, I might go hit his wife instead. 2 birds and all that...
I'm just worried he's off writing a whacking long post about how racist I am now. Last time I asked him a yes or no question, I got compared to slave traders!
What would have changed in between me supposedly calling you an idiot and then supposedly backtracking to cause that shift? Maybe as the post I referenced you explained, I wasn't doing that in the first place? Don't you think if I was the kind of person to do that I would have done it at some point in my other dozen or so posts in this thread to people who've clearly tried to mask their egregious racism as some historical economic explanation?
Your post pretty much nails it.
"I identify with that person so I'll defend them regardless" is just so bizarre.
I'm just worried he's off writing a whacking long post about how racist I am now. Last time I asked him a yes or no question, I got compared to slave traders!
If it helps you sign off on this thread for tonight then I honestly don't know or care whether you or your small boys are violent racists.
So you in fact did not call anyone an idiot?
Yeah, cheers for that. Now can you answer the actual question I asked twice? Pretty please?
Do you agree with what this woman said in the original posts? As in do you condone those words she used?
I'm using moron somewhat loosely but not entirely. She's managed to take a subject where it should be really hard for her to get anything but pretty much universal agreement except from another sect of morons and yet she has successfully managed it. She can claim all she wants that what she actually meant was something vastly different to what she actually wrote, but this isn't a case where an accidental word in a sentence has changed the perspective of what she meant. It's pretty damn clear she intended to write exactly what she wrote and the lack of acknowledgement that what she wrote is inherently racist and her attempt to weasle her way out of it by suddenly altering her entire narrative just makes her another piece of shit on a shoe in the collection of racists in my opinion.
Correct. I said it's possible, then I went on to explain it's possible I am the idiot and I'm getting this whole thing wrong. The point was that just because you agree with someone who thinks like you doesn't mean you're both right and so merely expressing your agreement is meaningless and doesn't actually add anything to what's being discussed. I'm beyond caring whether you think otherwise because this thread has long passed the stage where it was of any benefit to anybody or any wider discussion.
Yeah, that didn't slip past me.
So.. which posters are masking their racism?
She's a moron trying to express a genuine feeling that most people who are affected by the same feeling struggle to articulate. I agree with her general sentiment.
Riiiiiight.
That's good to know, either I didn't spot you questioning him as conscientiously as you have nearly everything I've said or you're waiting for a better time to do it!
Interesting.
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